It doesnt mean they are not well run. I can have the best run business in the world, but if the demands not there then yeah i will loose money.
- Philly1980

That was my point. Nashville is very well run, for years...but they still haven't been profitable.

According to reports both Nashville & Dallas lost money last year
- Jsaquella

They still have some pretty strong fan bases. Nashville will take a hit with the departure of Suter and be in real trouble if Weber leaves in regards to keeping and growing their fan base. And we saw what Dallas is capable of after their Cup run in 99.

mood?

mood?
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Thread is slowing down with lunch time upon us. Not too bad overall though.

That would be a good system if all of the players had the same talent level. How do you go about determining profit sharing...Why should giroux get the same level as as a thrid fourth line player. I would not want to see what the accounting on that would look like.
- Philly1980

That wouldn't be the case. Teams would just bid for players under a lower cap. If the cap was $50m, then Giroux could make $10m and the rest of the players could make $40m.

You could also structure the profit sharing based on the team you play for vs. league wide profit sharing.

You could also structure the profit sharing so that it is based on age, experience, minutes played, goals scored, +/- ratio, salary, or some formula with all the above variables.

This isn't a a panacea but more of a framework of what I suggest.

It does get very complicated. You have anti-trust issues.

You have owners paying hundreds of millions for a franchise. Are they entitled to more than a couple million in profit? Or is it more like buying a piece of land, whereby you will get no rental income but instead your investments simply gains value over time?

That was my point. Nashville is very well run, for years...but they still haven't been profitable.
- Jsaquella

Has the teams overall value increased since there inception? If so then by how much.

If i loose 5 mill a year for 10 yrs but my value doubled from 100 mill to 200 mill than thats good.

Its like buying a house to rent it. I might only be able to rent it for less than my mortgage, but if the property value went up more than i was loosing i would be ok with it i guess.
Plus i can write of the loses

I don't know the ins and outs of each clubs finances and the leagues overall but I have to think giving up 57% of the pie will mean lost of teams losing money
- nastyflyergirl

But Bettman says the league is in great shape. Revenues have doubled with new CBA and. Bettman got a huge raise!

Sarcasm aside, the NFL is a strong as it is because of revenue sharing and that allows teams in Green Bay to keep their stars & win titles and be able to spend to the cap

They still have some pretty strong fan bases. Nashville will take a hit with the departure of Suter and be in real trouble if Weber leaves in regards to keeping and growing their fan base. And we saw what Dallas is capable of after their Cup run in 99.
- NickTheKid87

Nashville draws very well. But they're losing key guys to FA. It remains to be seen what happens to fan base when Weber leaves.

But Bettman says the league is in great shape. Revenues have doubled with new CBA and. Bettman got a huge raise!

Sarcasm aside, the NFL is a strong as it is because of revenue sharing and that allows teams in Green Bay to keep their stars & win titles and be able to spend to the cap
- Jsaquella

True. Helps that the NFL is allowed to cut a player whenever they like. Guaranteed signing bonus. Allows teams to get out of salary cap hell.

Has the teams overall value increased since there inception? If so then by how much.

If i loose 5 mill a year for 10 yrs but my value doubled from 100 mill to 200 mill than thats good.

Its like buying a house to rent it. I might only be able to rent it for less than my mortgage, but if the property value went up more than i was loosing i would be ok with it i guess.
- Philly1980

Its great if you're trying to sell the team, but it sucks if you're losing millions of dollars a year, despite drawing well like Nashville does and see your core players leave via free agency

Nashville draws very well. But they're losing key guys to FA. It remains to be seen what happens to fan base when Weber leaves.
- Jsaquella

I agree with that. As long as they stay competitive I think they can sustain a team. Losing Weber will hurt but I kind of get the vibe that the fans down there are more interested in the team than the individual players. Can't say for sure though because I've never been.

Jaroslav Spacek is still unsigned.

But Bettman says the league is in great shape. Revenues have doubled with new CBA and. Bettman got a huge raise!

Sarcasm aside, the NFL is a strong as it is because of revenue sharing and that allows teams in Green Bay to keep their stars & win titles and be able to spend to the cap
- Jsaquella

NFL revenue sharing isn't strong enough to prevent Green Bay from getting mauled at Lambeau Field by the G-MEN!

Damn those big market teams! The little guy just can't compete.

Jaroslav Spacek is still unsigned.
- Crimsoninja

He's busing tables at Olive Garden.

True. Helps that the NFL is allowed to cut a player whenever they like. Guaranteed signing bonus. Allows teams to get out of salary cap hell.
- stveshdy

Guaranteed contracts are one of my least favorite things. I don't mind guaranteed money but to get rid of a guy for cap relief is HUGE. I would love something like that in the NHL but I don't see it happening.

True. Helps that the NFL is allowed to cut a player whenever they like. Guaranteed signing bonus. Allows teams to get out of salary cap hell.
- stveshdy

It does help. But the NFL shares revenue so that teams can spend to the cap to keep stars. If a star player leaves a NFL team its usually not because his old team couldn't afford to keep him...they might be cap strapped, but not unable to pay him

Guaranteed contracts are one of my least favorite things. I don't mind guaranteed money but to get rid of a guy for cap relief is HUGE. I would love something like that in the NHL but I don't see it happening.
- NickTheKid87

True. I agree.

He's busing tables at Olive Garden.
- PLindbergh31

True. I agree.
- stveshdy

What's the over under for number of times Osi, Tuck, Kiwanuka, and JPP sack Vick this year? I will set it at 10.

It does help. But the NFL shares revenue so that teams can spend to the cap to keep stars. If a star player leaves a NFL team its usually not because his old team couldn't afford to keep him...they might be cap strapped, but not unable to pay him
- Jsaquella

I like that a lot. Too many stars are forced to leave their teams in the NHL nowadays. This can't keep happening or we'll end up getting 10-15 super teams and 15-20 marginal teams.

What's the over under for number of times Osi, Tuck, Kiwanuka, and JPP sack Vick this year? I will set it at 10.
- PLindbergh31

You think Vick will be healthy enough to get sacked 10 times?

Thanks for the recap, Bill.

I'd be OK adding Semin if he can be had for a shorter term deal. 3yrs?

there's a better chance of three consecutive pages of intelligent discourse here, than there is of losing an entire season.
- OrangeBlack27

post of the day!

What's the over under for number of times Osi, Tuck, Kiwanuka, and JPP sack Vick this year? I will set it at 10.
- PLindbergh31

10xs in two games? Ill say they get 7 in two games.

It does help. But the NFL shares revenue so that teams can spend to the cap to keep stars. If a star player leaves a NFL team its usually not because his old team couldn't afford to keep him...they might be cap strapped, but not unable to pay him
- Jsaquella

I wonder how united the owners are this time around. If profits are up, certainly the big market teams are making money. Revenue sharing in the NHL isn't anywhere close to the magnitude in the NFL. Also, maybe it is time for the NHL to move some teams out of the sun belt area to more traditional hockey markets - Quebec City, 2nd team around Toronto (I know the Leafs won't be letting that go too easily). To me, this seems like a money grab for the owners of the NHL, like the owners of the NFL did last year. I can't believe NBC would be thrilled with a very long work stoppage.