no way. greinke and hamels are neck and neck.

edit: eh, greinke is not far behind hamels at least.
- OrangeBlack27

Hamels: 126.0 IP, 11-4, 3.07 ERA, 125 K, 30 BB, 2.6 WAR

Greinke: 116.0 IP, 9-3, 3.57 ERA, 117 K, 28 BB, 2.1 WAR

Hamels also won a WS MVP and Greinke has a 6.48 career ERA in 3 playoff games. That anxiety disorder of his doesn't help him either.

James Shields is not better than Zack Greinke.
- The_Universe

Yeah I just looked at some numbers and I agree.

That Pence is clearly overrated.
- BulliesPhan87

How is he overrated? He is what he is. A .280/.340 guys who hits 20+ HR with a career OPS over .800. He does it every year. You know what you are going to get from him. Anyway you look at it, he's a valuable player to have.

That Pence is clearly overrated.
- BulliesPhan87

He's a great 5 hitter but not a guy to build your offense around. With Howard and Utley in the lineup, he is value is much better.

and your point is....
- JoeRussomanno

my point is, that's probably what some fans probably like about him. also, he's white. again, some fans, not necessarily you, joe.

but my original point is that sweet uniform and hustle aside, he's still statistically (slightly above) average on the balance of his career.

entertainment value is hard to overrate
- JoeRussomanno

How is he overrated? He is what he is. A .280/.340 guys who hits 20+ HR with a career OPS over .800. He does it every year. You know what you are going to get from him. Anyway you look at it, he's a valuable player to have.
- The_Universe

I didn't say he was bad.

He's a great 5 hitter but not a guy to build your offense around. With Howard and Utley in the lineup, he is value is much better.
- NickTheKid87

Agreed.

no way. greinke and hamels are neck and neck.

edit: eh, greinke is not far behind hamels at least.
- OrangeBlack27

they're both in that next level below ace status

Read and Voracek
Meszaros
Cousins and Laughton
2 1sts


- NickTheKid87

do you think adding Briere instead of Voracek allows the flyers to keep some of the picks/prospects?

Briere and Ried
Mez
2 firsts

would send more salary the other way...and would give a "name" back to Nashville for the next few years to provide some offense and playoff performance.

not saying i'd do it...but do yo uthink that alters the asking price?

Hamels: 126.0 IP, 11-4, 3.07 ERA, 125 K, 30 BB, 2.6 WAR

Greinke: 116.0 IP, 9-3, 3.57 ERA, 117 K, 28 BB, 2.1 WAR

Hamels also won a WS MVP and Greinke has a 6.48 career ERA in 3 playoff games. That anxiety disorder of his doesn't help him either.
- NickTheKid87

hamels playoff experience is a boon for sure and that combined with no history of psychological issues would make him more attractive to suitors.

also need to remember greinke has a pretty dreadful defense behind him, which is not helping his era at all. glad you included WAR, though!

do you think adding Briere instead of Voracek allows the flyers to keep some of the picks/prospects?

Briere and Ried
Mez
2 firsts

would send more salary the other way...and would give a "name" back to Nashville for the next few years to provide some offense and playoff performance.

not saying i'd do it...but do yo uthink that alters the asking price?
- eshake

briere....you would have to pay someone to take him and his hit. + who is going to babysitt his kids in Nash

do you think adding Briere instead of Voracek allows the flyers to keep some of the picks/prospects?

Briere and Ried
Mez
2 firsts

would send more salary the other way...and would give a "name" back to Nashville for the next few years to provide some offense and playoff performance.

not saying i'd do it...but do yo uthink that alters the asking price?
- eshake

Ntc

And they fyers would have 2 less million to replace those forwards. No way.

Voracek, Read, Mez, Cousins, Laughton, 2 1st rounders. . Pass
- stveshdy

they're both in that next level below ace status
- bradleyc4

so, IYO, there are only like 10-15 aces in the league?

my point is, that's probably what some fans probably like about him. also, he's white. again, some fans, not necessarily you, joe.

but my original point is that sweet uniform and hustle aside, he's still statistically (slightly above) average on the balance of his career.
- OrangeBlack27

he is you don't say, now I don't like him

hamels playoff experience is a boon for sure and that combined with no history of psychological issues would make him more attractive to suitors.

also need to remember greinke has a pretty dreadful defense behind him, which is not helping his era at all. glad you included WAR, though!
- OrangeBlack27

Everyone's all about WAR these days so I thought I'd throw it in.

do you think adding Briere instead of Voracek allows the flyers to keep some of the picks/prospects?

Briere and Ried
Mez
2 firsts

would send more salary the other way...and would give a "name" back to Nashville for the next few years to provide some offense and playoff performance.

not saying i'd do it...but do yo uthink that alters the asking price?
- eshake

jake's trade value>>>>>>>briere's

so, IYO, there are only like 10-15 aces in the league?
- OrangeBlack27

Damnit this is not ballbuzz.....

do you think adding Briere instead of Voracek allows the flyers to keep some of the picks/prospects?

Briere and Ried
Mez
2 firsts

would send more salary the other way...and would give a "name" back to Nashville for the next few years to provide some offense and playoff performance.

not saying i'd do it...but do yo uthink that alters the asking price?
- eshake

If only but I think it has been said that Danny has a NTC so he's not going anywhere. Besides, that's a big contract I don't think Nashville would want when they could have a 23 year old top 6 guy.

Damnit this is not ballbuzz.....
- Philly1980

there's really nothing else to talk about, even tho I'd rather not talk about baseball.

so, IYO, there are only like 10-15 aces in the league?
- OrangeBlack27

sounds about right, yes.

there's really nothing else to talk about, even tho I'd rather not talk about baseball.
- JoeRussomanno

Read + voracek for RYAN...GID homer Ryan is a stud!

Everyone's all about WAR these days so I thought I'd throw it in.
- NickTheKid87

very useful tool to put a value on a player's all-around contributions including base running. also great for player comparisons

Read + voracek for RYAN...GID homer Ryan is a stud!
- Philly1980

so how's that Hamels contract coming again?