they would be playing two men down and a short bench every game and would lose horribly.
- Barx

Of course they would, my argument was that team toughness has not increased over the years, if anything teams are softer.

not a chance in hell.

but if you toss Crosby into the NHL when gretzky was lighting it up, id bet $ Crosby's numbers were close to the same, posssibly better.
- big_dion

oooo that's an interesting one...idk if I agree with you there. Crosby relies a bit too much on those hooks that do get called because of the new nhl. along with slashes and other penalties etc. Idk it would be interesting

not a chance in hell.

but if you toss Crosby into the NHL when gretzky was lighting it up, id bet $ Crosby's numbers were close to the same, posssibly better.
- big_dion

Kids these days.

Shutt is in the Hall of Fame, what would he know..

Anyway, I was speaking as an average, not the best players of all time..
- bixll

Seriously though, he was just being humble, just look at the Montreal roster and tell me there isn't someone he can replace.

If the argument was to have Gretzky in his prime, with the training and equipment he had available, over Crosby now, I'd say Crosby. But if they were around in the same era (obviously hypothetical) with the same opportunities, I'd take Gretzky...and I think most agree? and I think this is where we accidently disagreed with each other lol

Edit: Is this a fair assessment?
- celata29

This I agree with. Give Gretz the same opportunities that Crosby had with the same available training and equipment and I'd still take Gretzky's vision over Crosby. The biggest difference is that Crosby can play the physical game that Gertzky didn't have. But I think the genius hockey mind that Wayne had would still trump Crosby if they were both brought up with the same opportunities.

they would be playing two men down and a short bench every game and would lose horribly.
- Barx

100% correct.

so you think crosby wouldnt get 150 point seasons in the 80's?
- big_dion

Crosby cries enough now when a defender looks at him the wrong way, imagine he was clutched, grabbed, and tackled shift in and shift out.

Of course he wouldnt , but i bet you think mario would.
- Prolific_Scorer

Oh, because.... he's french!

AAHAHAHAH GOOD ONE!















Good God you're an idiot...

so you think crosby wouldnt get 150 point seasons in the 80's?
- big_dion

No...He'd be injured every fifth game...

This I agree with. Give Gretz the same opportunities that Crosby had with the same available training and equipment and I'd still take Gretzky's vision over Crosby. The biggest difference is that Crosby can play the physical game that Gertzky didn't have. But I think the genius hockey mind that Wayne had would still trump Crosby if they were both brought up with the same opportunities.
- Domaju

Yup.

This I agree with. Give Gretz the same opportunities that Crosby had with the same available training and equipment and I'd still take Gretzky's vision over Crosby. The biggest difference is that Crosby can play the physical game that Gertzky didn't have. But I think the genius hockey mind that Wayne had would still trump Crosby if they were both brought up with the same opportunities.
- Domaju

5 crosbys

vs

5 gretzkys

who u really think would win?

id say Crosby. cause he may break up a few plays, where gretzky wouldnt.

Lidstrom
- AdamFrench

I will raise you an Orr.

Kids these days.
- Prolific_Scorer

i wouldnt laugh, he isnt wrong.. coming off an injury crosby scored 39 points in 22 games

that translates into a 145 point season..

and thats the pace he set coming off injury

Crosby cries enough now when a defender looks at him the wrong way, imagine he was clutched, grabbed, and tackled shift in and shift out.
- Prolific_Scorer

Gretzky NEVER whined...






NEVER!!!!!!!!

Lidstrom
- AdamFrench

He's deity...

Why must selling your house be such a pain in the

Oh, because.... he's french!

AAHAHAHAH GOOD ONE!















Good God you're an idiot...
- Pecafan Fan

You're so (frank)ing transparent its funny.

Shutt is in the Hall of Fame, what would he know..

Anyway, I was speaking as an average, not the best players of all time..
- bixll

You drinking from your cellar again, Bix?

I will raise you an Orr.
- LeafMan

You know my opinion on this.

i wouldnt say crosby>gretzky or gretzky>crosby

2 totally different Era's of hockey.

both are the best for their ERA.
- big_dion

Can you really say Crosby is the best of his era...guys missed a lot of hockey. Definitely when healthy the best player, but you can't really staple him the best player of an era when what, 7 years into his career, the majority of 2 of those seasons has been missed.

Gretzky NEVER whined...






NEVER!!!!!!!!
- Pecafan Fan

Not near as much as Mario and Sid do.

i wouldnt laugh, he isnt wrong.. coming off an injury crosby scored 39 points in 22 games

that translates into a 145 point season..

and thats the pace he set coming off injury
- Dozzer

Steve Shutt could outscore Sidney Crosby in 1956. There is no doubt.

Oh, because.... he's french!

AAHAHAHAH GOOD ONE!



Good God you're an idiot...
- Pecafan Fan

Kids these days.
- Prolific_Scorer

really? so my vision isnt the same as yours, so im a kid?

ahh yes, words of wisdom, there ya have it.

Gretzky dominated his sport moreso than any other athlete ever.




Nuff' said.