works for me, lol


- big_dion

Lol I was jk

Edit: realized I just sounded like a high school girl...i apologize

Attempt 2: I was joking around

He and Joe Sakic are my favs of all time.
- AdamFrench

pfft, Sakic couldn't even handle a snow blower.

lol ok and what happens when gretzky get crushed 20 times a game? whos going to beat up lucic or chara or another beef baron? nobody.

and if they do - welcome to getting the extra penalty and losing 10-0. and losing your star player due to concussion 10 times a year. lol gretzky was protected, now mario, he wasnt...but i still dont think that speed of his is going to do anything for him in the new hockey world.
- big_dion

You're toughness argument is off base I think. The Broad Street Bullies would still intimidate any team around today. Your speed argument is reasonable though.

I think if you take the hockey minds of the "legends" and put them with today's training and equipment and while they may not put up the same # of points they used to because of the goalies now, they would still all be at the top of the league in the respective positions.
- Domaju

oh most def.

if they have the same training, equipment, etc etc etc...they would be just as good, if not better.

times have still changed though. players these days are bigger, stronger, faster, and just all round better.

dont believe me just go watch some NHL from the 70's - 80's.

Of 2 years at 4.5
- AdamFrench

You're toughness argument is off base I think. The Broad Street Bullies would still intimidate any team around today. Your speed argument is reasonable though.
- maverickJ

they couldnt catch any players in todays NHL, those guys were tough but slow and terrible at hockey for the most part.

I'd take 5 Mario over 5 anything.
- Scabeh

Joe Sakic-Joe Sakic-Peter Footsberg
Nik Lidstrom-Scott Stevens
Dom Hasek in a wheelchair

If the argument was to have Gretzky in his prime, with the training and equipment he had available, over Crosby now, I'd say Crosby. But if they were around in the same era (obviously hypothetical) with the same opportunities, I'd take Gretzky...and I think most agree? and I think this is where we accidently disagreed with each other lol

Edit: Is this a fair assessment?
- celata29

Factor in the clutch and grab era where defensemen could cross check or tackle guys in front of the net at will, or take them down and not get a penalty as long as they were going for the puck.

right but thats what im saying, they dont have the same opp's, whats done is done.

take player A in his prime with his equipment, training, etc

and slot him into a playoff game now, they would be terrible out there.

not all them, but many.

the legends would be decent still but wouldnt stick out like the old days, thats my logic behind this i guess.

who knows i got lost in there somewhere!
- big_dion

pfft, Sakic couldn't even handle a snow blower.
- LeafMan

I think if you take the hockey minds of the "legends" and put them with today's training and equipment and while they may not put up the same # of points they used to because of the goalies now, they would still all be at the top of the league in the respective positions.
- Domaju

For me, the difference isn't Superstar Now vs. Superstar Then. I think that they would compare favourably.

It's Bottom Guy Now vs, Bottom Guy Then. The worst guys on each team in the 80s and before were terrible. Especially post-67.

Bottom line forward today may not be as good as Crosby, but he's in just as good shape as Crosby, and is much closer to Crosby's skating ability than Joe Schlobotnik was to Orr.

sounds about right,yes.

id take crosby.

gretzky cant back check or lay a hit for his life lol
- big_dion

Crosby also wont break 200 points 4 times in his career, nor will he even get close.

Some people forget that Gretz and Mario actually played in the modern era. Both played against guys still playing today.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Mari yes, Gretz I would say no. He's been out of the league for what? 13 years? A lot has changed since then. Mario played 1 year with Crosby so he has played in the "modern era", but I argue that Gretzky hasn't. The players have gotten MUCH bigger than when he was playing.

However, with his mind and vision paired with the equipment and everything now, I'd say he would still be the best in the league.

Crosby also wont break 200 points 4 times in his career, nor will he even get close.
- Prolific_Scorer

I think Gretzky and Mario were pretty damn good...

Mario wasnt protected? Really? Warren Young, Jay Caulfield, and Marty McSorely beg to (frank)ing differ, i get the feeling you are a young dude who didnt see much of either in their prime, hence your bias, otherwise you would know different.
- Prolific_Scorer

I saw Steve Shutt, interviewed on OTR. Landsberg asked him where he would fit on the current habs roster. He flat out stated that he could not make the habs of today. And, a lot of them would not..Too small..

Sorry, todays players are bigger, stronger ( for sure ) faster. More dedicated to the sport, and they have had years of watching and learning to improve..

Mari yes, Gretz I would say no. He's been out of the league for what? 13 years? A lot has changed since then. Mario played 1 year with Crosby so he has played in the "modern era", but I argue that Gretzky hasn't. The players have gotten MUCH bigger than when he was playing.

However, with his mind and vision paired with the equipment and everything now, I'd say he would still be the best in the league.
- Domaju

Didn't Gretzky play quite a few seasons when the goalies had oversized equipment to?

they couldnt catch any players in todays NHL, those guys were tough but slow and terrible at hockey for the most part.
- big_dion

My point is guys in the old NHL had to put up with a lot more of the physical aspect of the game, less was called, concussions were ignored. Lol if anything the farther you go back the tougher it got, lol ever here of stick fights?
But Gretzky played in a time of Scott Stevens and Brian Marchment I would say it was a much more physical time than now.

I think Gretzky and Mario were pretty damn good...
- Flyfreaky

They were OK...I guess

Bigger than Stevens and Marchment?

I saw Steve Shutt, interviewed on OTR. Landsberg asked him where he would fit on the current habs roster. He flat out stated that he could not make the habs of today. And, a lot of them would not..Too small..

Sorry, todays players are bigger, stronger ( for sure ) faster. More dedicated to the sport, and they have had years of watching and learning to improve..
- bixll

The flaw in this argument is that Shutt would be bigger and faster if he lived today due to genetic evolution and the Big Mac...

Crosby also wont break 200 points 4 times in his career, nor will he even get close.
- Prolific_Scorer

Different back then. Nobody will hit 200 points these days..

Crosby also wont break 200 points 4 times in his career, nor will he even get close.
- Prolific_Scorer

Gretzky wouldn't put up 200pts with today's goaltending/team defense.

I saw Steve Shutt, interviewed on OTR. Landsberg asked him where he would fit on the current habs roster. He flat out stated that he could not make the habs of today. And, a lot of them would not..Too small..

Sorry, todays players are bigger, stronger ( for sure ) faster. More dedicated to the sport, and they have had years of watching and learning to improve..
- bixll

A humble man, good for him.

What do you guys think of Ek's proposal of 2 top 6ers 1 top 4 defensmen two top prospects and two firsts for Weber? As good as a player as he is...I'd caution against that. Especially if the long term deal becomes limited to 5 years.

Uhmm because it was time to?
- Prolific_Scorer

I don't think so. He was only 37 and still putting up a point per game. He probably could have kept playing if he wanted too.