Interesting situation...I wonder if that team gets busted up, where everyone winds up
- celata29

honestly if they traded all 3 of Ryan, Perry, and Getzlaf, they could rebuild and restock very well in 2 years.

Teemu would probably be pretty pissed but Ducks simply can not afford for Perry and Getzlaf to walk, especially if they trade Ryan.

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- mikeinbuffalo

Hold up, when i mention those trades it's considered trolling, when the blogger does it, it is considered journalism? Why rehash those trades again? I believe the idea is to look forward and not dwell on the past.

Well, watching Parise and Suter walk has to have them a bit concerned. I'd imagine if both Getz and Perry haven't signed extensions by the trade Deadline, and Anaheim isn't clearly in for a strong playoff run, at least 1 if not both get traded...

EDIT: plus anaheim was already a budget team, not a cap team, so they might not be able to afford the raises Getz and Perry will get anyway...
- Big_Lightnin

Totally....could be real bad times ahead in OC.

Who woud you prefer...Getz or Perry, but you gotta use the Leafs current "needs" in mind before you just default to saying Perry.

GO!.....

honest question:

do you think some of those weak goals go away with tighter D? opposition shooters were given way too much time to pick their shots.. and, with scouting the way it is nowadays, those shooters know where to shoot on each goalie in the league (reimer for example is glove high.. or pressure the crease and he starts to sit deep). so when a shooter is given the extra time by a leafs defense trying to recover from an offensive push (one they didnt truly have the skill set to implement) i gotta think that increased the opposition chances of scoring.
- Dozzer

look at all teams that keep the shots to the outside, all of their goalies have better save %.

cant blame the goalies entirely, but also cant blame the system entirely.

wilson's system was horrible for having that many shut down D men...think about it.

at the time we had: dion, gunnar, schenn, komisarek, beachemin

thats 5 "stay at home d" - and we run and gun...enough said.

That'd be a tough trade to see happen. I really like Krejci but he's so up and down.

When he's up, he's amazing to watch but when he's down he's almost invisible. I'm not entirely sold on Ryan but at the same time he's been in a pretty weird situation in Anaheim so who knows if trading him somewhere that he'd be happy could reveal a whole nother level of talent.
- Juice

The way I look at it is that Ryan will produce as much maybe a little less then Seguin did on the wing last year and Seguin would produce more with more maturation and centering a top line, which creates a little more consistency. Does this make sense or am I going out of a limb?

honest question:

do you think some of those weak goals go away with tighter D? opposition shooters were given way too much time to pick their shots.. and, with scouting the way it is nowadays, those shooters know where to shoot on each goalie in the league (reimer for example is glove high.. or pressure the crease and he starts to sit deep). so when a shooter is given the extra time by a leafs defense trying to recover from an offensive push (one they didnt truly have the skill set to implement) i gotta think that increased the opposition chances of scoring.
- Dozzer

obviously, tighter d will definitely help.
but honestly, so many devastatingly bad goals were scored on the Leafs last year it's hard to imagine anything short of a lottery pick if our goaltending doesn't drastically improve.

honest question:

do you think some of those weak goals go away with tighter D? opposition shooters were given way too much time to pick their shots.. and, with scouting the way it is nowadays, those shooters know where to shoot on each goalie in the league (reimer for example is glove high.. or pressure the crease and he starts to sit deep). so when a shooter is given the extra time by a leafs defense trying to recover from an offensive push (one they didnt truly have the skill set to implement) i gotta think that increased the opposition chances of scoring.
- Dozzer

Most goalies are vulnerable high glove, always seemed players were more accurate against Reimer, I said seemed, take a look in the playoffs at Quick, that glove side was wide open but the opposition missed the net consistently trying to go for it, I was thinking, wtf, they couldn't pick the corner, he got in their heads.

LOL

that just sounded so....great!

stacy may be jumping on board as a tag team

WHERE DO I SIGN UP!?!
- big_dion

..I believe Stacy is a guy.

honestly if they traded all 3 of Ryan, Perry, and Getzlaf, they could rebuild and restock very well in 2 years.

Teemu would probably be pretty pissed but Ducks simply can not afford for Perry and Getzlaf to walk, especially if they trade Ryan.
- Big_Lightnin

Which if they trade Ryan the dominos already begin to fall, no? The problem is they built and they can't afford a built team. They'll be in the constant rebuild phase which would crush their fan base...kind of see that happening in Nashville too.

The way I look at it is that Ryan will produce as much maybe a little less then Seguin did on the wing last year and Seguin would produce more with more maturation and centering a top line, which creates a little more consistency. Does this make sense or am I going out of a limb?
- celata29

You'd probably have to tolerate some learning time for Seguin as your #1 centre, but he definitely has it in him, no doubt at all.

The Bruins are a big enough team that Seguin would get the space he needs to be able to learn. Not like Kadri in Toronto getting pushed around with no one on the ice to give him space.

No doubt.

I just find it funny how people read way too much into this.
- Pecafan Fan

in kadris case, the two things he lacks are physical strength/conditioning and attitude.
with roberts, there should be a huge improvement in both areas.

I wouldn't worry too much about Marleau coming to Toronto.
In all likeliness he probably wouldn't waive his NTC to come to a team with so much uncertainty and if Burke is going to trade what SJ would want for Marleau, he may as well throw in the extra 1st rounder or high prospect and get Getzlaf....but again I don't even think Getzlaf is available, but you know what I mean.
- Juice

i certainly do know what you mean.

im all for burke tossing in a prospect over a pick, who knows what this year brings.

our team last year wasnt all that bad, sure we blew it in the end, but we were scoring machines for the first 2/3 the season..

a few minor tweaks and were either going to crash and burn, or suprise a lot of teams again, and hopefully are able to hold it together as the season winds down.

Totally....could be real bad times ahead in OC.

Who woud you prefer...Getz or Perry, but you gotta use the Leafs current "needs" in mind before you just default to saying Perry.

GO!.....
- Juice

Regardless of Leafs needs, I would like to see if Getz can rebound from a pretty weak year last year before I picked him over Perry.

look at all teams that keep the shots to the outside, all of their goalies have better save %.

cant blame the goalies entirely, but also cant blame the system entirely.

wilson's system was horrible for having that many shut down D men...think about it.

at the time we had: dion, gunnar, schenn, komisarek, beachemin

thats 5 "stay at home d" - and we run and gun...enough said.
- big_dion

yeah.. wilson played them out of their element.. burke was trying to build a different team than wilson imo

in kadris case, the two things he lacks are physical strength/conditioning and attitude.
with roberts, there should be a huge improvement in both areas.
- Barx

It all comes down to maturity.

Maybe NOW he was ready to commit seriously to training in order to play at the next level.

Hold up, when i mention those trades it's considered trolling, when the blogger does it, it is considered journalism? Why rehash those trades again? I believe the idea is to look forward and not dwell on the past.
- Prolific_Scorer

nothing ANYONE writes on this site is considered journalism.

You'd probably have to tolerate some learning time for Seguin as your #1 centre, but he definitely has it in him, no doubt at all.

The Bruins are a big enough team that Seguin would get the space he needs to be able to learn. Not like Kadri in Toronto getting pushed around with no one on the ice to give him space.
- Juice

Yeah I mean he would center two PWF in Luc and Horton so he'd be protected. Idk interesting situation...I think they should see how the beginning of the season plays out and wait till the deadline now that I think about it.

obviously, tighter d will definitely help.
but honestly, so many devastatingly bad goals were scored on the Leafs last year it's hard to imagine anything short of a lottery pick if our goaltending doesn't drastically improve.
- Barx

but those few goals takes a mediocre sv% to a competitive one

now, i agree.. bad goals were constant.. but

A: gustavsson.. who was a bad goal machine

and B: reimer didnt play like himself after coming back.. sat back in his crease.. the concussion got to him and he played nervous.. he'd show flashes of being the confident guy out on the edge of crease at times.. but never consistently.

if reimer plays with confidence he's alright.. and can do the job.. but if he shows any hesitation in the crease early in the season.. thats BIG trouble

in kadris case, the two things he lacks are physical strength/conditioning and attitude.
with roberts, there should be a huge improvement in both areas.
- Barx

guarentee'd

my buddy is super high in the leafs organization and was talking to kadri on the phone last week - said hes pretty pumped after talking to Nazem, cause he said word for word "i think he's finally figured it out".

i hope f'n so..

nothing ANYONE writes on this site is considered journalism.
- Barx

Hey I take pride in my posts!!!

Totally....could be real bad times ahead in OC.

Who woud you prefer...Getz or Perry, but you gotta use the Leafs current "needs" in mind before you just default to saying Perry.

GO!.....
- Juice

completely different trades though. That's tough - you have to assume that if you're getting Perry, you are trading Kessel... just don't see the deal happening any other way, and both are RW... and moreover getting Perry allows you to include Kessel in the deal, and therefore gut the team less...

I say Getzlaf, just cause it's harder to see where and how Perry fits.

i certainly do know what you mean.

im all for burke tossing in a prospect over a pick, who knows what this year brings.

our team last year wasnt all that bad, sure we blew it in the end, but we were scoring machines for the first 2/3 the season..

a few minor tweaks and were either going to crash and burn, or suprise a lot of teams again, and hopefully are able to hold it together as the season winds down.
- big_dion

I think the biggest factor is how well Carlyle gets his system going and how much the team buys into it. If they're still skating around with even 25% of Wilson's style included then they're going to be lost out there like they were in the 2nd half last year.

Decent team...but they need a good number of things to click if they want to make the playoffs and actually have a chance to get past the 1st round.

Regardless of Leafs needs, I would like to see if Getz can rebound from a pretty weak year last year before I picked him over Perry.
- celata29

Agreed.

Getzlaf has been one of my favourite players but his past two seasons just haven't been the same...not even close.

Most goalies are vulnerable high glove, always seemed players were more accurate against Reimer, I said seemed, take a look in the playoffs at Quick, that glove side was wide open but the opposition missed the net consistently trying to go for it, I was thinking, wtf, they couldn't pick the corner, he got in their heads.
- LeafMan

LM! you know damn well why that was!!

he only showed glove side opening when he had an angle on it.. the guys would "think" they had a hole to shoot at only to realize that to get it by quick you would have to shoot too far to the outside

quick gave them a hole and then closed the angle down routinely.. it was excellent netminding

I think the biggest factor is how well Carlyle gets his system going and how much the team buys into it. If they're still skating around with even 25% of Wilson's style included then they're going to be lost out there like they were in the 2nd half last year.

Decent team...but they need a good number of things to click if they want to make the playoffs and actually have a chance to get past the 1st round.
- Juice

Yeah lot of ifs surrounding the team...if they put them all together though look out. i'd love to meet the Leafs in the playoffs