You just don't get it, do you?
- Ogilthorpe2

Both sides have drawn the line in the sand. No one is budging.If the GMs are doing the same then there is no deal.

That is fine but don't think it will be a tense locker room. These guys are pros and like each other. Lu knows ,go and play hard, and someone will soon ask for him.

Whether you want to trade for Luongo or not is irrelevant, unless you are the GM in disguise. What I'm saying is: 1) one mistake by a GM does not set a precedent for the rest of the league, and 2) Gillis is the type of guy that will make a smart business decision, meaning he will not trade Luongo unless he feels the return makes the Canucks better, which I think most Chicago fans think Luongo does for the Hawks.

If there is something else that you feel I clearly don't get, please explain it for me.
- 1970vintage

I think the smart business decision for Gillis is to get rid of a sunk cost, as long as it values his team. If he gets bad contracts in return (Frolik, etc.) so be it. At least he'll be useful on a nightly basis and can fit in on your roster.

Al, I would say the same to you, I think you are off base here. Comparing this situation to the Campbell trade last year makes no sense. Because Bowman got nothing in return does not set a standard for future trades. This mistake doesn't mean that every other GM in the league will expect nothing in return for a high priced player. Do you think Howson will accept an overpaid AHL player on a one way NHL contract as compensation for Nash? Gillis has an extra all star goalie and there are at least three teams expressing interest. Gillis has set a price, it seems that price is too high, at least for now. If Bowman seriously believes that Luongo gives his team a better chance to win than what he currently has, then he will have to be willing to give something back that Gillis finds value in. Gillis may have to take salary back in return, but it will not be for a player that is not an upgrade over something he already has unless there is something else very sweet in the deal.

I believe that Gillis is still looking for a second line RW, a third line C and maybe a depth D. He may expect to receive all three in a trade for Luongo, or he may expect one roster player and prospects or picks, I really don't know. What I do know is that Gillis would rather go into the season with two outstanding net minders then to make a deal that doesn't make the team better. If Bowman believes he has other options out there, I'm sure he will explore the cost/benefit, but if you think that Chicago can acquire Kiprusoff or Backstrom or some other proven starter for a $2.75 million 5/6 defenceman a $2.33 million 5 goal scorer and a $3.125 million AHL player you are mistaken.
- 1970vintage

Kipper has two years left at big money on a team that is loking to get younger.

I don't think Calgary needs Hammer who BTW is not a #5-#6 dman.

But there isn't going to be any trades of significance here unless Bowman gives to get...

The Campbell reference was made becasue he left here as a salary dump for nothing in return BTW...Campbell never asked for a trade.

Luongo...is somewhat different but not so much considering the audience available for his services are few. Gillis is in a bad spot, he can talk the talk but the sides have to match up.

Don't forget Lu has a tighter NTC clause than Campbell had too.

The deal will get done eventually and Gillis will take what he can get...

Bernier to Chicago

Vantel,

This isn't a personal slap so please don't be offended...I like reading your comments but to think Gillis has any leverage is absurd.

First you had trouble admitting Luongo asked to be traded(wants to move on is really the same thing) and once that happened any leverage Gillis had was gone.

Personally I would be fine with Luongo coming here as long as it was for a low price but I think Gillis will convince Fla. to take him or Luongo will expand his list of teams.

Either way the Canucks will get back no more than projects/draft picks/ bad contracts or off the radar prospects.

Like I have said too many times, Gillis hestitated....

The Hawks gave Campbell away but the front office knew teams that are $30 mill under the cap with a familar GM to boot don't come around very often.

I didn't like the Campbell dump then and won't until the cap space saved is used wisely.

He who hesitates is lost and right now Gillis is caught.

As far as the comments from you and others about goal tending issues here...

I realize the importance because in my lifetime there have been three HOF goalies that have played for the Hawks. That's something the Canucks, Flyers and other clubs haven't had in the last 50 years...

But you don't open the check book too wide to buy something there are no buyers for.

On Twitter@AlCimaglia
- Al

But why would Gillis trade to the Hawks for a "low price". He might as well trade with Florida or Toronto for a low price. For a deal to happen with Chicago there has to be some value coming his way or he would be out of his skull to do it. It makes no sense to me. You don't do a salary dump like that to your hated rival.

I think the smart business decision for Gillis is to get rid of a sunk cost, as long as it values his team. If he gets bad contracts in return (Frolik, etc.) so be it. At least he'll be useful on a nightly basis and can fit in on your roster.
- 1goalLordStanley

Won't happen . Especially not to a rival.

I think the smart business decision for Gillis is to get rid of a sunk cost, as long as it values his team. If he gets bad contracts in return (Frolik, etc.) so be it. At least he'll be useful on a nightly basis and can fit in on your roster.
- 1goalLordStanley

Well I guess that's where we differ. If getting rid of Lu is the value, then it makes no sense to receive a (or more than one) bad contract in return. Salary dump = trading for picks/prospects only, at least to me.

I'm so sick of this topic. If it's going to happen, just please let it happen soon so we can stop talking about it...but I still don't want it to happen.
- Ogilthorpe2

But its going to get really quiet around here once Nash and Luongo are traded, thats no fun

You just don't get it, do you?
- Ogilthorpe2

I think it's quite clear, that he does in fact "get it". Gillis has made it quite clear that you won't get Lu for nothing and a salary dump! Just waive him in the fall if he wants cap space.

Well I guess that's where we differ. If getting rid of Lu is the value, then it makes no sense to receive a (or more than one) bad contract in return. Salary dump = trading for picks/prospects only, at least to me.
- 1970vintage

Exactly if it is just dumping Lu's salary he will play in Modo.

Al, I would say the same to you, I think you are off base here. Comparing this situation to the Campbell trade last year makes no sense. Because Bowman got nothing in return does not set a standard for future trades. This mistake doesn't mean that every other GM in the league will expect nothing in return for a high priced player. Do you think Howson will accept an overpaid AHL player on a one way NHL contract as compensation for Nash? Gillis has an extra all star goalie and there are at least three teams expressing interest. Gillis has set a price, it seems that price is too high, at least for now. If Bowman seriously believes that Luongo gives his team a better chance to win than what he currently has, then he will have to be willing to give something back that Gillis finds value in. Gillis may have to take salary back in return, but it will not be for a player that is not an upgrade over something he already has unless there is something else very sweet in the deal.

I believe that Gillis is still looking for a second line RW, a third line C and maybe a depth D. He may expect to receive all three in a trade for Luongo, or he may expect one roster player and prospects or picks, I really don't know. What I do know is that Gillis would rather go into the season with two outstanding net minders then to make a deal that doesn't make the team better. If Bowman believes he has other options out there, I'm sure he will explore the cost/benefit, but if you think that Chicago can acquire Kiprusoff or Backstrom or some other proven starter for a $2.75 million 5/6 defenceman a $2.33 million 5 goal scorer and a $3.125 million AHL player you are mistaken.
- 1970vintage

I suppose I dont know the market, but I cannot imagine any club will pay that price for Lu. Most everyone here knows that I would luv Luongo on the Hawks roster, but not for a high price. Just taking that contract does the Canucks a huge favor.

Let Luongo fester on Vancouver's roster if thats the case...

...Gillis being stubborn could lead to trouble in the club house...which would make me smile.

Kipper has two years left at big money on a team that is loking to get younger.

I don't think Calgary needs Hammer who BTW is not a #5-#6 dman.

But there isn't going to be any trades of significance here unless Bowman gives to get...

The Campbell reference was made becasue he left here as a salary dump for nothing in return BTW...Campbell never asked for a trade.

Luongo...is somewhat different but not so much considering the audience available for his services are few. Gillis is in a bad spot, he can talk the talk but the sides have to match up.

Don't forget Lu has a tighter NTC clause than Campbell had too.

The deal will get done eventually and Gillis will take what he can get...
- Al

Was referring to Montadore, but I agree Gillis will take what he can get. I just think that he will continue to say no until he feels he is improving his team. Luongo does have a NTC, but he has stated publicly that he would waive if it was the right thing to do for everyone. Not saying he will go anywhere, but I think he is more willing to move than some people have said.

Bernier to Chicago
- LA_Kings6720

No

Well I guess that's where we differ. If getting rid of Lu is the value, then it makes no sense to receive a (or more than one) bad contract in return. Salary dump = trading for picks/prospects only, at least to me.
- 1970vintage

You missed my point. It's not so much the value is dumping Luongo, it's more making better use of the funds he's forced to use. $5 million worth of Luongo doesn't make much use on your squad, and I'm saying Frolik has real worth. At $2.3 million, he's a very capable player on a third line because he's a good two way player.

All in all, Gillis makes reallocates his funds to make his team better.

I think it's quite clear, that he does in fact "get it". Gillis has made it quite clear that you won't get Lu for nothing and a salary dump! Just waive him in the fall if he wants cap space.
- LeftCoaster

Isn't waivers a dangerous route if Gillis wants to avoid Lu going to a western rival?

I guess your not serious am I correct?

I suppose I dont know the market, but I cannot imagine any club will pay that price for Lu. Most everyone here knows that I would luv Luongo on the Hawks roster, but not for a high price. Just taking that contract does the Canucks a huge favor.

Let Luongo fester on Vancouver's roster if thats the case...

...Gillis being stubborn could lead to trouble in the club house...which would make me smile.

- ArlingtonRob

I'm not suggesting that Lu is "worth" anything, only that I believe Gillis has a certain value that he feels is fair. I have no idea what that price is, other than what the "insiders" have reported. My point is only that if the value of moving Lu is salary cap freedom, then the return will not include "bad" contracts but prospects/picks. I believe Gillis wants a roster player or two, in the areas I highlighted. I think that right now his price is too high. If I were in Gillis' shoes, I would be looking for a third line C, a quality prospect and a pick. Remember what Van gave up to acquire Lu in the first place? Bertuzzi, Allen and Auld...

Ultimately, I would think Gillis is testing the market for Luongo's true value. Time will tell how this sorts out.

Well I guess that's where we differ. If getting rid of Lu is the value, then it makes no sense to receive a (or more than one) bad contract in return. Salary dump = trading for picks/prospects only, at least to me.
- 1970vintage

Yes but you are dumping Lu to us for 4 or 5 times the contract length of A Frolik who I think has 2 years left. Like I suggested 1 of our bad contracts and a "b" prospect should be fair compensation. Chicago is taking the much bigger risk here. If Lu's contract had 5 years left for example instead of 10 years, then A.You wouldn't be trading him or B. the return due would be much much greater than a "b" prospect.
Going to bed!

You missed my point. It's not so much the value is dumping Luongo, it's more making better use of the funds he's forced to use. $5 million worth of Luongo doesn't make much use on your squad, and I'm saying Frolik has real worth. At $2.3 million, he's a very capable player on a third line because he's a good two way player.

All in all, Gillis makes reallocates his funds to make his team better.
- 1goalLordStanley

Sorry, makes more sense. I'm not sure that's the case as Higgins and Hansen are pretty good 3rd liners, both for under $2 million, what we really need is a centre.

Ultimately, I would think Gillis is testing the market for Luongo's true value. Time will tell how this sorts out.
- ArlingtonRob

The only danger is waiting too long, and then having zero options. Keeping Lu on the roster could lead to clubhouse problems.

I suppose I dont know the market, but I cannot imagine any club will pay that price for Lu. Most everyone here knows that I would luv Luongo on the Hawks roster, but not for a high price. Just taking that contract does the Canucks a huge favor.

Let Luongo fester on Vancouver's roster if thats the case...

...Gillis being stubborn could lead to trouble in the club house...which would make me smile.

- ArlingtonRob

Exactly right!!

Isn't waivers a dangerous route if Gillis wants to avoid Lu going to a western rival?

I guess your not serious am I correct?
- ArlingtonRob

Gillis has too much personal respect for Lu, he'd never put him on waivers you're correct.

If Gillis can't make the club better by trading him, them I'm sure he offers Lu up for a third round pick to a destination of Luongo's liking somewhere in the East.

Hockey InsideRR with two Rs for double Retardation just said that Lu to Florida is happening, so now for sure you know that wont happen !

Ultimately, I would think Gillis is testing the market for Luongo's true value. Time will tell how this sorts out.
- ArlingtonRob

I would agree with this.

Hockey InsideRR with two Rs for double Retardation just said that Lu to Florida is happening, so now for sure you know that wont happen !
- mrpaulish

I thought it was Hockeyy Insiderr...

Watch, something bizarre will happen and Lu will get traded to Phoenix...