Weber can't be traded now.
Per the CBA - Section 10.3:
"Once an Offer Sheet for a Restricted Free Agent has been received by the Prior Club, the Prior Club may not Trade or otherwise Assign its Right of First Refusal for such Restricted Free Agent."
- Tanuki

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's Philly get Weber and gives up the picks. Then, almost as a courtesy, Holmgren effects a trade with the Preds to unload some salary and all the world is well again. Two distinct separate transactions.

Blackhawk24 hadn't posted in like 45 mins ....you popped up Kelly and BAM ...10sec later he's talking about the ASG ...
- southernhawk

Lucky timing I tell ya, purely lucky timing. Went to have lunch and check up on the guys doing my install

Whaddya think of the latest pics? Nice,eh?

I can't wrap my head around the what if's..

The first pitch by the owners was silly..

About 19 teams would be over the cap today and around $190 mill in contracts would have to be dealt with.

I think either the entry level deals will be extended...More likely becasue that won't hurt any player in the NHL today.

As far as the 10 yr no free agency part.....I can't see that happening...Sounds like a return to the 50's-60's.

Max of 5 years is more about owners protecting themselves from each other.
- Al

Agree, that's a great point Al

Nor can I, but the proposed scenario doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Agree again, this will be a good thing, I think.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Hawkster

Wont happen at the convention cause not of us from the board will be there

I can't wrap my head around the what if's..

The first pitch by the owners was silly..

About 19 teams would be over the cap today and around $190 mill in contracts would have to be dealt with.

I think either the entry level deals will be extended...More likely becasue that won't hurt any player in the NHL today.

As far as the 10 yr no free agency part.....I can't see that happening...Sounds like a return to the 50's-60's.

Max of 5 years is more about owners protecting themselves from each other.
- Al

That's cuz they know they won't get nearly to that point.

It's like the argument between Kramer and Morty Seinfeld abou the rain coats. It was originally 25%, Kramer came back and wanted 35%, Morty countered with 15%, then they settled at 25%. Turns out the % actually didn't move, but in this case Bettman and the league knows the range where they can settle and still get a yes vote from the owners. Then there will be other concessions on ELC's and UFA status, yadda, yadda.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Right now both parties are far apart from any trades. Poile has 1 week to keep Weber and pay him enormous money or take the picks. Homer on the other hand knows the picks alone are not enough compensation to get Poile to give him Weber (what he really wants)... he will also need to clear cap space. If Poile loses Weber he will need to save face.... soooooo.....

Clocks ticking and finally Poile and Homer come to a conclusion.

Poile gets Coburn, Couturier, and 2 1st rounders for Weber.

Next Poile announces he will not match the offer and weber is a flyer. Then homer announces Philly has just made a trade to Nashville.... Coburn and couturier for 2 of the 1st round picks they just gave Nashville.


Ficticious scenario.... but could happen.
- moylander

It could happen but what is even more likely to happen now is that the new CBA will include a prohibition against huge signing bonuses and ridiculously front-loaded deals, particularly in the case of RFAs, so the big-market teams don't kill off the small-market ones by making it impossible for them to front the money to match an offer sheet like this one. Without the up-front money, matching the offer would be a no-brainer for Nashville because the cap hit under Philly's offer is a relative bargain. The League can't take kindly to an attempt like this to take the legs out from under the small-market teams by front-loading a huge signing bonus.

From Paul McCann's blog: The Weber offer:

Year 1 through 4 - $1 million salary, $13 million signing bonus
Year 5 through 6 – $4 million salary, $8 million signing bonus
Year 7 through 10 - $6 million salary
Year 11 - $3 million salary
Year 12 through 14 - $1 million salary
- EKolb13

Can someone explain how these bonuses reflect on the AAV...the cap hit.

Thanks.

I think the Flyers have maybe a 20% chance of getting Weber and it will only be done the "correct" way as stated in the CBA.

There won't be any back door deals whcih were obviously pre-arranged.
On a number of level it is almost impossible to happen that waytoday, esepcially not with Snyder.

If I was a betting man, which I am ...I would bet the Flyers have a better chance of acquiring Ryan than snagging Weber.

But there is a chance the Preds can't justify the cost but I think the franchise will lose a lot more $$ this year if they don't keep Weber.
- Al

Weber spent a good chunk of time in Philly with the flyers brass 2 weeks ago. Any chance weber might really want to play in Philly? And are you considering that?

It could happen but what is even more likely to happen now is that the new CBA will include a prohibition against huge signing bonuses and ridiculously front-loaded deals, particularly in the case of RFAs, so the big-market teams don't kill off the small-market ones by making it impossible for them to front the money to match an offer sheet like this one. Without the up-front money, matching the offer would be a no-brainer for Nashville because the cap hit under Philly's offer is a relative bargain. The League can't take kindly to an attempt like this to take the legs out from under the small-market teams by front-loading a huge signing bonus.
- flahawkfan

This!

Weber can't be traded now.
Per the CBA - Section 10.3:
"Once an Offer Sheet for a Restricted Free Agent has been received by the Prior Club, the Prior Club may not Trade or otherwise Assign its Right of First Refusal for such Restricted Free Agent."
- Tanuki

Correct.... and he wouldn't be traded. Immediately after weber is a flyer.... the flyers will announce a seperate trade to reacquire some of their picks and clear cap.

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's Philly get Weber and gives up the picks. Then, almost as a courtesy, Holmgren effects a trade with the Preds to unload some salary and all the world is well again. Two distinct separate transactions.
- djd

Yeah, I missed his post explaining this. Thanks.

Weber spent a good chunk of time in Philly with the flyers brass 2 weeks ago. Any chance weber might really want to play in Philly? And are you considering that?
- moylander

Well, then he should have waited a year and moved on then. He doesn't hold the trump cards here, unless I'm missing something.

Can someone explain how these bonuses reflect on the AAV...the cap hit.

Thanks.
- ArlingtonRob

The bonuses go against the cap hit, if I'm not mistaken. The cap hit should be the total money divided by the length in years.

The cap hit should be $7.857 million.

Well, then he should have waited a year and moved on then. He doesn't hold the trump cards here, unless I'm missing something.
- djd

Unless they're counting on Nashville to decline matching the contract. There might be enough money in that deal upfront that Nashville can't afford to shell out.

Lucky timing I tell ya, purely lucky timing. Went to have lunch and check up on the guys doing my install

Whaddya think of the latest pics? Nice,eh?
- blackhawk24

Indeed.

Indeed.


- Beaver-Warrior

Hubba hubba!

Can someone explain how these bonuses reflect on the AAV...the cap hit.

Thanks.
- ArlingtonRob

Add it all up, divide by the number of years...no??

Indeed.


- Beaver-Warrior

Beauty, rack and the DSL...ouch!

Add it all up, divide by the number of years...no??
- blackhawk24

That's what it should be.

Beauty, rack and the DSL...ouch!
- blackhawk24

D S L!!!

D S L!!!
- mrpaulish

T.M.I....

Weber spent a good chunk of time in Philly with the flyers brass 2 weeks ago. Any chance weber might really want to play in Philly? And are you considering that?
- moylander

It's not really a consideration at this point.

Weber signed the offer sheet, which unless brain dead he had to do...

Why wouldn't he want to go to Philly?

Although at this point it doesn't matter at all.

When did the use of front loaded, bonus heavy contracts begin? Seems to be a recent trend.

And the front loading of the offer from a wealthy club against a small market club seems completely unethical...big market vs. small market or deep pocket owner vs. marginal owner.

I wonder how Bettman and Co. view these deals...

If the Hossa deal was reexamined by the league, how is this copacetic?

When did the use of front loaded, bonus heavy contracts begin? Seems to be a recent trend.

And the front loading of the offer from a wealthy club against a small market club seems completely unethical...big market vs. small market or deep pocket owner vs. marginal owner.

I wonder how Bettman and Co. view these deals...

If the Hossa deal was reexamined by the league, how is this copacetic?
- ArlingtonRob

I dunno

Nashville will need D-men now. Someone oon anoter board came up with Hammer for Colin Wiilson. I really like Wilson even though he was a healthy scratch in the playoffs. How about either Hammer or Leddy for Wilson and other stuff? Obviously not a 1 for 1 trade