This.

I have a gut feeling that Q is being set up to fail. If StanBow goes into the season with ~$8MM in cap space and no real changes to the lineup, he is setting himself up to bring new coaching and new player(s) in at the TDL.

I could be wrong, but I just think the front office mess is messier than any of us may be aware of.
- Return of the Roar

I'm all for Q being shown the door, but I'd like Stan and McD to follow.

As usual Ogi, I agree. I clamor constantly for 2nd line center. stastny fits the bill. He wont be cheap, but he checks the most boxes and whatever he'll cost right now...i think it would be acceptable. I think the bigger contracts wont get moved until the CBA gets worked out. It's one thing to spend right now..it's another thing to trade top prospects AND commit $$ with this kind of uncertainty. Both sides of any MAJOR trade could possibly feel this, no?
- miked23

You have the same choices as I have given Coach Q for #2 C - Kane, Sharp, Pirri, McNeill, Bolland, Shaw, Flick, Danault and TT. That's it - take it or leave it.

Sincerely,

Stan

So....if Q stayed in Chicago because he was promised "big" changes, and Stan doesn't deliver those changes...what are the chances Q just up and quits? Maybe he hasn't hired an assistant yet because he's waiting to see what changes actually happen before he wastes his time picking a new lackie.
- Ogilthorpe2

Quitting means leaving money on the table, and abandoning the people he works well with. I doubt its that unbearable--still, who knows

How many people on here are going to the convention this weekend? I am very intrigued by the frustration that may be shown towards management. Wonder if censorship will be in order.

You have the same choices as I have given Coach Q for #2 C - Kane, Sharp, Pirri, McNeill, Bolland, Shaw, Flick, Danault and TT. That's it - take it or leave it.

Sincerely,

Stan
- RickJ

I'd give Bolland his overdue shot at it, then Kane, then Sharp.

You have the same choices as I have given Coach Q for #2 C - Kane, Sharp, Pirri, McNeill, Bolland, Shaw, Flick, Danault and TT. That's it - take it or leave it.

Sincerely,

Stan
- RickJ

I am ok with that...as long as its Kane or sharp.

JJ, what do you think of Leddy for Johansson in washington?

Pretty even swap, Mike Green just rejected 1 year $5 mil offer from WAS. They might need a puck moving Dman.

This would solve the 2C role and Johansson can play up there and had a 20 pt jump in his sophomore year despite Hunter moving to a more defensive style with the team last year.

Also would cut 200k while adding the 2C. decent size at 6'0 197lb, although his faceoff suck, still a better % than Kane at 2C, which people seem content with if we have to use Kane there

AND he goes to the net
- FourFeathers773

I like Johansson

Buuuuuut Adam Dunn is leading the AL in Walks, Home Runs tied for 3rd in RBI's... Meaning he is not completely useless and has a pretty decent WAR right now considering he is DH most of the time and not the best base runner on the planet earth.

Edit: meaning Dunno has value while the other bozo does not
- fattybeef

Dunn is a pure Three True Outcome player - Bowman seems to have only one true outcome.

Campbell and Havlat also had not the nicest things in the world to say about the organization. Directly from Marty and indirectly from Soup.
- fattybeef

Those are two tough situations. Campbell never heard the end about the contract that Talon gave him to the point where Bowman was almost forced to move him. Didnt help he got all that criticism for his salary and had to take a back seat on D playing not even a top 2 dman role sitting behind keith and seabrook and making 7+ mil. The long and short of Campbells situation is that he could have stayed had he ever lived or played up to his contract, but he didnt.

havlat from what I understand wanted the world heading into FA and its tough for the hawks to give him the kind of deal he wanted when he only played 1 full season for them in 3 years and they had hossa waiting in the wings. You take hossa over havlat every day and twice on sundays.

This.

I have a gut feeling that Q is being set up to fail. If StanBow goes into the season with ~$8MM in cap space and no real changes to the lineup, he is setting himself up to bring new coaching and new player(s) in at the TDL.

I could be wrong, but I just think the front office mess is messier than any of us may be aware of.
- Return of the Roar

But Wirtz was supposedly making everyone aware that something like this wasn't and wouldn't be acceptable.

I'd give Bolland his overdue shot at it, then Kane, then Sharp.
- Ogilthorpe2

I would sit Sharp down and tell him that he is going to be the second line center. He is making just south of six mil, he should be stick boy if the hawks ask him to.

So....if Q stayed in Chicago because he was promised "big" changes, and Stan doesn't deliver those changes...what are the chances Q just up and quits? Maybe he hasn't hired an assistant yet because he's waiting to see what changes actually happen before he wastes his time picking a new lackie.
- Ogilthorpe2

No...Q likes his team...just needs more compete. Yeah....a 40 plus million $$ core just needs more compete!

Quitting means leaving money on the table, and abandoning the people he works well with. I doubt its that unbearable--still, who knows
- miked23

Well, rumor was he was interested in the Montreal gig, maybe Bergevin still wants him in some capacity? He wouldn't be unemployed for long. If he said no to Montreal based on promises that go undelivered, and if the front office is as dis functional as it's starting to sound, maybe he bolts.

I would say that is the feeling of Blackhawk Mgt.
- Al

No surprise there.

One of the smarter things this organizaqtion did for a few years was not play prospects in roles they would not ultimately play as full time NHLers. Meaning if you see Saad as a top 6 guy (obviously) then he has to play there in his "stints" with the big club.

Saad has shown nothing while playing against NHL competition that he is ready as a top 6 player.

All he has are some gaudy junior numbers—that many other players have compiled before lackluster NHL careers. Sure the Hawks scout him and see him a lot more than I do, but I really have a hard time buying that he is ready to step in on the top 6 of a playoff caliber NHL club.

The best scenario for him is he hangs with the big club, including some nights in the press box, until his 20th birthday, at which point the limo is idling to take him to Rockford pronto.

But Wirtz was supposedly making everyone aware that something like this wasn't and wouldn't be acceptable.
- StLBravesFan

And where is that sentiment documented - beyond the whispers of a rumor site anyway?

I thought Campbell waiving his ntc spoke volumes. Here he was just engaged to get married to a girl from Chicago..... you'd think he'd want to stay. Instead he goes and plays for tallon.

I wouldn't have thought twice about it except that brouwer and a few others were pretty vocal about not wanting to play in Chicago anymore.

This keeps up, who knows, maybe toews goes to play for tallon in three years. Players seem to like him. The hawks need major organizational culture change..... and it should have happened a long time ago. Jmo.
- moylander[/img]

He also played in the 2nd pairing here. He wanted ice time and to be the centerpiece of the D. Here he was "the contract". He was scapegoated constantly and was never going to used in a manner that he could escape that. That's also what Tallon sold him. His wife lives in a million dolllar home-she's doing fine.

Campbell and Havlat also had not the nicest things in the world to say about the organization. Directly from Marty and indirectly from Soup.
- fattybeef

Havlat was not universally loved in the room either. At all. Especially before he kinda broke out in 2008-09.

Dunn is a pure Three True Outcome player - Bowman seems to have only one true outcome.
- StLBravesFan

hee hee...way to tie it all together!!

No surprise there.

One of the smarter things this organizaqtion did for a few years was not play prospects in roles they would not ultimately play as full time NHLers. Meaning if you see Saad as a top 6 guy (obviously) then he has to play there in his "stints" with the big club.

Saad has shown nothing while playing against NHL competition that he is ready as a top 6 player.

All he has are some gaudy junior numbers—that many other players have compiled before lackluster NHL careers. Sure the Hawks scout him and see him a lot more than I do, but I really have a hard time buying that he is ready to step in on the top 6 of a playoff caliber NHL club.

The best scenario for him is he hangs with the big club, including some nights in the press box, until his 20th birthday, at which point the limo is idling to take him to Rockford pronto.
- John Jaeckel

I am sure this holds true for most if not all of the recent prospects the team has signed - Morin, McNeil, Pirri, Saad, Danault, TT. They are all wayyyyyy too young to be NHL ready. It would probably benefit them all to stay in the lower leagues to bulk up and work on their game.

I am sure this holds true for most if not all of the recent prospects the team has signed - Morin, McNeil, Pirri, Saad, Danault, TT. They are all wayyyyyy too young to be NHL ready. It would probably benefit them all to stay in the lower leagues to bulk up and work on their game.
- Return of the Roar

+1....Tell Stan that

And where is that sentiment documented - beyond the whispers of a rumor site anyway?
- Return of the Roar

"Whispers of a Rumor Site" - sounds like something the Carpenters would have done.

But, yes....just sayin'

JJ, what do you think of Leddy for Johansson in washington?

Pretty even swap, Mike Green just rejected 1 year $5 mil offer from WAS. They might need a puck moving Dman.

This would solve the 2C role and Johansson can play up there and had a 20 pt jump in his sophomore year despite Hunter moving to a more defensive style with the team last year.

Also would cut 200k while adding the 2C. decent size at 6'0 197lb, although his faceoff suck, still a better % than Kane at 2C, which people seem content with if we have to use Kane there

AND he goes to the net
- FourFeathers773

I dont thing Leddy's enough. I like where your heads at though. They have 2 centers ahead of him and might want to get young on D.

I dont thing Leddy's enough. I like where your heads at though. They have 2 centers ahead of him and might want to get young on D.
- miked23

They have 3C ahead of him right now.

Backstrom
Ribeiro
Laich

and they have beagle and perreault to play the 4C role

it would be a waste to burn him on the 4th line anyway

Those are two tough situations. Campbell never heard the end about the contract that Talon gave him to the point where Bowman was almost forced to move him. Didnt help he got all that criticism for his salary and had to take a back seat on D playing not even a top 2 dman role sitting behind keith and seabrook and making 7+ mil. The long and short of Campbells situation is that he could have stayed had he ever lived or played up to his contract, but he didnt.

havlat from what I understand wanted the world heading into FA and its tough for the hawks to give him the kind of deal he wanted when he only played 1 full season for them in 3 years and they had hossa waiting in the wings. You take hossa over havlat every day and twice on sundays.
- FourFeathers773

Does any of that really matter 'when players are talking to other players' about how much they dislike the organization?

They have 3C ahead of him right now.

Backstrom
Ribeiro
Laich

and they have beagle and perreault to play the 4C role

it would be a waste to burn him on the 4th line anyway
- FourFeathers773

As I posted earlier, they love Johanssen in Washington. LOVE. I think Ribiero is a 1-year stop-gap and Laich plays more LW than he does Center.