Why not, good to see some of the prospects.


- ob18

Thought somebody's play was worth discussing.

Thought somebody's play was worth discussing.
- 77rams

Harper was pretty good today, as well as Christopher Clapperton is pretty scrappy for a small kid but has fantastic hands and quickness (unsigned invitee)

Harper was pretty good today, as well as Christopher Clapperton is pretty scrappy for a small kid but has fantastic hands and quickness (unsigned invitee)
- ob18

I heard his name a few times this past week.

I heard his name a few times this past week.
- 77rams

Yeah some kept trying to take shots at him......Towards the end of the 1st Laughton & Cousins got to pushing & as they left the ice Cousins tried to go after Laughton

Yeah some kept trying to take shots at him......Towards the end of the 1st Laughton & Cousins got to pushing & as they left the ice Cousins tried to go after Laughton
- ob18

My guess is none of these prospects will see time with the Flyers for atleast another two/three years down the line.

My guess is none of these prospects will see time with the Flyers for atleast another two/three years down the line.
- stveshdy

It's very possible, but still good to see them today.

It's very possible, but still good to see them today.
- ob18

Never hurts to see the young kids play. I went twice during the week and the player that impressed me most was the goalie Cal Heeter.

Never hurts to see the young kids play. I went twice during the week and the player that impressed me most was the goalie Cal Heeter.
- stveshdy

Yeah he seemed very cocky when making a few saves today. He'll probably start in the AHL but looked decent.

My guess is none of these prospects will see time with the Flyers for atleast another two/three years down the line.
- stveshdy

I agree. These are boys playing against boys so no need to get too excited here. But good to hear the players that are supposed to be the best are looking like the best.

BTW: Moving forward I would put the Flyers priorities this summer like this.

1. Sign Doan (3-4 yrs)
2. If no Doan, trade for B. Ryan if the price is right (Read, 1st, 1-2 prospects depending on what they are)
3. Look at Semin on a 1 yr deal if nothing else works out
4. Offensive D man that could work the PP (Leopald could be available and would be given an opportunity to run the PP and would probably be cheap since he only has 1 yr left on his deal, Coliacovo could be a backup plan or Leddy).
5. Trade for a big name D man that has a bloated contract and has a low trade value (JBow?). This is the last resort IMHO. They could add Prongers contract in the deal if needed- that guy will never put skates on again

Also, it's nice to be posting again, I have been out of the country. Hello all.

Yeah he seemed very cocky when making a few saves today. He'll probably start in the AHL but looked decent.
- ob18

I like the "swagger" he plays with. Playing goalie in the NHL is a tough job and you have to be mentality tough. Just from what I seen this past week the kid plays with confidence and believes he belongs.

I agree. These are boys playing against boys so no need to get too excited here. But good to hear the players that are supposed to be the best are looking like the best.

BTW: Moving forward I would put the Flyers priorities this summer like this.

1. Sign Doan (3-4 yrs)
2. If no Doan, trade for B. Ryan if the price is right (Read, 1st, 1-2 prospects depending on what they are)
3. Look at Semin on a 1 yr deal if nothing else works out
4. Offensive D man that could work the PP (Leopald could be available and would be given an opportunity to run the PP and would probably be cheap since he only has 1 yr left on his deal, Coliacovo could be a backup plan or Leddy).
5. Trade for a big name D man that has a bloated contract and has a low trade value (JBow?). This is the last resort IMHO. They could add Prongers contract in the deal if needed- that guy will never put skates on again

Also, it's nice to be posting again, I have been out of the country. Hello all.
- coffee junkie

Where at?

Where at?
- stveshdy

South America.

I thought I would get blasted for suggesting trading Pronger's contract above. I understand that he can easily be LTI ed but that is a serious problem to summer time signings. Has anyone else discussed that option? Any thoughts on it? I would love to hear why that is a bad idea if it is?

South America.

I thought I would get blasted for suggesting trading Pronger's contract above. I understand that he can easily be LTI ed but that is a serious problem to summer time signings. Has anyone else discussed that option? Any thoughts on it? I would love to hear why that is a bad idea if it is?
- coffee junkie

I can't fathom why a team would want Pronger in a trade with what has happened to him. What scenario can you see that happening?

South America.

I thought I would get blasted for suggesting trading Pronger's contract above. I understand that he can easily be LTI ed but that is a serious problem to summer time signings. Has anyone else discussed that option? Any thoughts on it? I would love to hear why that is a bad idea if it is?
- coffee junkie

It's a great idea for the Flyers. Isn't going to happen though

It's a great idea for the Flyers. Isn't going to happen though
- MJL

I agree it probably won't happen, but not impossible. It is a serious negative for trade value obviously. But so is Nash's contract length and $$, so is JBows, etc... It would be much like Boston throwing in Tomas' contract but longer and for more money. It is the only way I see a rational person considering trading for a Nash like contract.

I agree it probably won't happen, but not impossible. It is a serious negative for trade value obviously. But so is Nash's contract length and $$, so is JBows, etc... It would be much like Boston throwing in Tomas' contract but longer and for more money. It is the only way I see a rational person considering trading for a Nash like contract.
- coffee junkie

Not really comparable. At least the team taking on Nash's or Bouwmeester's contract would get a player on the ice. Pronger is owed 19M remaining on his contract. The Flyers have the contract insured in case of serious injury. A team taking on that contract wouldn't be able to get insurance on it, due to a pre existing condition. Who is going to shell out 19M just to take on some Cap space?

Not really comparable. At least the team taking on Nash's or Bouwmeester's contract would get a player on the ice. Pronger is owed 19M remaining on his contract. The Flyers have the contract insured in case of serious injury. A team taking on that contract wouldn't be able to get insurance on it, due to a pre existing condition. Who is going to shell out 19M just to take on some Cap space?
- MJL

Obviously no one is going to trade for that contract straight up. It would be apart of a larger deal, Read: Flyers would need to up their trade offer (way up) to make it happen. Good call on the insurance, I hadn't thought that out. Aren't preexisting conditions now legally unconstitutional to deny coverage for? That is a question and not a statement. Since I have been out of the country for a few months I am a little behind here. Also, can hockey teams still trade cash anymore?

Obviously no one is going to trade for that contract straight up. It would be apart of a larger deal, Read: Flyers would need to up their trade offer (way up) to make it happen. Good call on the insurance, I hadn't thought that out. Aren't preexisting conditions now legally unconstitutional to deny coverage for? That is a question and not a statement. Since I have been out of the country for a few months I am a little behind here. Also, can hockey teams still trade cash anymore?
- coffee junkie

Your mixing Obama health care insurance and disability type coverage.

Obviously no one is going to trade for that contract straight up. It would be apart of a larger deal, Read: Flyers would need to up their trade offer (way up) to make it happen. Good call on the insurance, I hadn't thought that out. Aren't preexisting conditions now legally unconstitutional to deny coverage for? That is a question and not a statement. Since I have been out of the country for a few months I am a little behind here. Also, can hockey teams still trade cash anymore?
- coffee junkie

As far as the insurance is concerned, I'm just speculating on that, and whether it can be transferred. It would take a lot more then Read for the Flyers to get someone to take the Pronger contract. Pronger is about as untradeable as a player can get. No, teams can't trade cash.

I just read on CSN that the new salary cap number that is floating out there is $50mil and that some 19 teams would have to slash salaries to get under this number. Obviously, we would be one of them. I thought I read on a posting here at one point that if there was a lower cap, the existing salaries of a given team's payroll would be ratably reduced across the board to be compliant. For example, if a team was at 70mill and a player was at 7mil, that player's salary would be automatically reduced to 5mill.

I assume that it depends on what the new CBA says, but Does this sound right and or possible?

I just read on CSN that the new salary cap number that is floating out there is $50mil and that some 19 teams would have to slash salaries to get under this number. Obviously, we would be one of them. I thought I read on a posting here at one point that if there was a lower cap, the existing salaries of a given team's payroll would be ratably reduced across the board to be compliant. For example, if a team was at 70mill and a player was at 7mil, that player's salary would be automatically reduced to 5mill.

I assume that it depends on what the new CBA says, but Does this sound right and or possible?
- FlyersFirst

There will be a mechanism put in place for teams to become Cap compliant. It won't be a case of a bunch of teams have to give players away to get under the Cap.

As far as the insurance is concerned, I'm just speculating on that, and whether it can be transferred. It would take a lot more then Read for the Flyers to get someone to take the Pronger contract. Pronger is about as untradeable as a player can get. No, teams can't trade cash.
- MJL

I hear that it is as bad a contract situation and as bad a trade piece as you get. That said, it is about the only way a Nash contract makes any sense to me. Perhaps more then anything I am suggesting trading for a big contract player is a non consideration for me. Thanks for the opportunity to bounce that idea around. In that case, remove the #5 idea above from the priorities for the Flyers. Because in my mind, CLB and CLG need to take back a poor contract and lower the request if they wish to move their overpaid players. Maybe a team will get desperate. Hope it isn't the Flyers.

Thoughts on Leopald if he was available?

As far as the insurance is concerned, I'm just speculating on that, and whether it can be transferred. It would take a lot more then Read for the Flyers to get someone to take the Pronger contract. Pronger is about as untradeable as a player can get. No, teams can't trade cash.
- MJL

MJL, in the commercial world (outside of the NHL so I am not sure if it's applicable) I believe that you could assign/transfer the right to receive insurance proceeds to another party.

As to the pre existing condition bit, this insurance would be more like credit insurance not health insurance (ala obamacare).

All of this said, I agree with MJL that this type of fake deal would make more sense later in prongers contract when he has less actual out of pocket money left to be paid (ie in the last few years when his salary is like 500k). Part o the reason I say that is that my guess is that any such "credit" insurance probably has a large deductible anyway even if transferable.

There will be a mechanism put in place for teams to become Cap compliant. It won't be a case of a bunch of teams have to give players away to get under the Cap.
- MJL

Ok. But do you think what I am saying is possible? Makes sense? Otherwise it would be horrible to Thoes 19 teams and also players with bigger contracts could be hurt more than folks with smaller deals.

Ok. But do you think what I am saying is possible? Makes sense? Otherwise it would be horrible to Thoes 19 teams and also players with bigger contracts could be hurt more than folks with smaller deals.
- FlyersFirst

Not only possible but likely. An across the board reduction in players salaries has happened before. That's the big prize that the League truly wants in my opinion. Reduction in the players share, along with a change in calculating HRR.