I'm assuming that if they do trade Leddy, it will be for value, and not just a dump because they don't like Sheahy(?).

Can (I won't ask "will") they get enough back to make it a positive deal? Are you hearing anything about the possible return?
- StLBravesFan

Dealing a guy with a $1M+ cap hit from a team that is $7-8M under the cap is not a salary dump, especially when they already have a full roster now. They will trade Leddy if they get the proper (physical) return.

They went into cap hell 2 summers ago. $4.1M bonus carryover from '09-'10 was applied in '10-'11. This was on top of new deals to Toews, Kane & Keith, to the tune of another $10M or so.

Money had to be shed & we can argue 'til the cows come home; what deal was worst & what should have been done. That's all in hindsight now.

Stan got them in better (cap) position due to trades the last 2 seasons & with the cap going up, new deals to Sharp & Seabrook didn't impact them as much.

What's on Stan is not building the correct roster, not managing money. Guess its not a surprise given he was the bean-counter/contract guy when Dale was GM.
- blackhawk24

Totally agree - nice summary. There just seems to be some real hesitation even today from fans and team management to get back up there...... when in fact they won a cup pushing the salary cap limits. As did Boston and LA. SB needs to learn, quickly learn, how to manage the cap when pressing the limits. Instead it seems he is managing the hawks like a small market team. Jmo.

I think it's a little unfair to call Bernier a "prospect". Does that mean every backup that hasn't been afforded a great deal of playing time because the #1 is great should be considered a prospect now? Bernier is a NHL caliber goalie. Much more so than anything else that is available (with the exception of Lu of course) outside or inside the Hawks organization. Comparing Crawford & Bernier's statistics may add a little clarity. Bernier 2.44GAA 0.916SV%, Crawford 2.79GAA, 0.909SV%.

In all fairness though Crawford has played 4 more seasons in his professional career so I'll just compare their stats from that last 3 years. Bernier 2.04GAA, 0.926SV%. Crawford 2.68GAA, 0.911SV%. Both goalies have been very consistent throughout their respective careers but it's pretty clear who the better goalie is and who I would prefer on the Hawks, not to mention that Bernier is 4 years younger with arguably much more potential.
- Tuke17

Tuke...

I did examine Bernier's career at H-F.com, and you're correct that the prospect label is inappropriate. Since he's been the b/u for the Kings I hadn't really noticed him. Nonetheless, I'm still reluctant to make the deal sending Saad to LA for his services.

sorry pal, any trade with the bruins with the name kane mentioned in our corner has to have the name lucic mentioned in your corner or no deal!
- wonthecup10

Agree 100%

Bulls traded Korver Looks like they're giving up on this season

Bernier hasn't played a 1/2 season in the NHL. Bernier by all logic can only be called a prospect or possible # 1 tender someday.

You might want to look up the stats for Pascal LeClaire and Steve Mason, also their contracts signed after EL too, before diving in head first on young goal tenders.
- Al

Agree completely...it's semantics only, if a young goalie "prospect" has been backing up a veteran for several years the difference is slight between him and a 3 year AHL vet with great numbers. And it could be argued that the AHL started is better prepared for the grind due to greater playing time.

Like I said...semantics.

All in all, I am still not sold on Bernier...

Bulls traded Korver Looks like they're giving up on this season
- CBHawks88

Korver leaving means the season is lost?

And all this time I thought the season was lost when Rose went down?

Korver leaving means the season is lost?

And all this time I thought the season was lost when Rose went down?
- ArlingtonRob

Combination of factors.. Rose out. Korver gone. Asik likely gone. Brewer and Watson Gone.

To a great extent the Hawks got away with rushing Leddy...They would be wise to give Clendenning at least the better part of this season in the AHL.

Trading Leddy should only be done to snag a bona fide top six forward from a rebuliding team. Like a Stastny trade for example and it would take more than Leddy alone.

If Bowman wanted to trade Leddy he could have it done by breakfast...

21 yr old puck rushers are something most teams would hold onto instead of trade...Unless they were positive his spot could be filled.

His contract status won't matter a bit unless he wants out... or someone writes an offer sheet. Otherwise the Hawks are in complete control no matter who the agent is....
- Al

If the hawks could get statsny and the centerpiece from the hawks was leddy and Stan doesn't make that deal, he should be hung by his super tight sphincter from the jumbo tron!!!!

Combination of factors.. Rose out. Korver gone. Asik likely gone. Brewer and Watson Gone.
- CBHawks88

Ehhhh...it's just roundball.

Now back to hockey!

Bulls traded Korver Looks like they're giving up on this season
- CBHawks88

Thats a move that allows then the room to bring back Captain Kirk.......

If the hawks could get statsny and the centerpiece from the hawks was leddy and Stan doesn't make that deal, he should be hung by his super tight sphincter from the jumbo tron!!!!
- dpard

That's a trade I'd make in a NY second.

Ditto to the Jumbotron stunt as well...

Totally agree - nice summary. There just seems to be some real hesitation even today from fans and team management to get back up there...... when in fact they won a cup pushing the salary cap limits. As did Boston and LA. SB needs to learn, quickly learn, how to manage the cap when pressing the limits. Instead it seems he is managing the hawks like a small market team. Jmo.
- moylander

SB IMO is trying manage $$$ while getting the best talent. Won't defend him & we'll be PO'd if he doesn't amp up the physical side of the roster.

I think he's trying to stay out of the "nuclear" plan to go for a cup. I truly think CBA uncertainty affected the 'Hawks FO thinking this last TDL. And this summer has a long ways to go. However, if this is Brookbank only - and no knock on him, he's a nice 6D with a RHS - then SB has failed & Rocky should consider a serious FO purge, including MCD & embracing "daddy" walking if "son" is let go.

Dealing a guy with a $1M+ cap hit from a team that is $7-8M under the cap is not a salary dump, especially when they already have a full roster now. They will trade Leddy if they get the proper (physical) return.
- blackhawk24

I don't think he meant "salary" dump...more like a general dump-ing of a player for whatever reason.

At least that's how I read it....could be wrong.

Totally agree - nice summary. There just seems to be some real hesitation even today from fans and team management to get back up there...... when in fact they won a cup pushing the salary cap limits. As did Boston and LA. SB needs to learn, quickly learn, how to manage the cap when pressing the limits. Instead it seems he is managing the hawks like a small market team. Jmo.
- moylander

And saving cap space for the trade deadline is crap!Last year Rocky got to put it back into the bank.Yes by all means save some for the unforseen,but spend now as later is too expensive.Smart hockey moves now in the off season!If SB didn't have his hands tied last year WTF.To have that much cap space laying around when management says that winning is #1,makes you wonder?

SB IMO is trying manage $$$ while getting the best talent. Won't defend him & we'll be PO'd if he doesn't amp up the physical side of the roster.

I think he's trying to stay out of the "nuclear" plan to go for a cup. I truly think CBA uncertainty affected the 'Hawks FO thinking this last TDL. And this summer has a long ways to go. However, if this is Brookbank only - and no knock on him, he's a nice 6D with a RHS - then SB has failed & Rocky should consider a serious FO purge, including MCD & embracing "daddy" walking if "son" is let go.
- blackhawk24

Screw the cap! Spend Up to 2-3m below the cap each year, leaving room to make a tdl deal.
These are the blackhawks. Original six. How can they not go for a cup every year?
Let me answer.....a bean counter is running the team who thinks he is smarter than the average bear. Only problem is....he's not as smart as he thinks. Look at the results since he took over....speaks volumes

I don't think he's a lock for greatness. He's got some upside. He's no guarantee that you make the playoffs or win a cup with him. However, he can't be any worse that Crawford.
- EKolb13

Are you sure? Until he pays a full season as a #1, there's now way to know for sure.

They went into cap hell 2 summers ago. $4.1M bonus carryover from '09-'10 was applied in '10-'11. This was on top of new deals to Toews, Kane & Keith, to the tune of another $10M or so.

Money had to be shed & we can argue 'til the cows come home; what deal was worst & what should have been done. That's all in hindsight now.

Stan got them in better (cap) position due to trades the last 2 seasons & with the cap going up, new deals to Sharp & Seabrook didn't impact them as much.

What's on Stan is not building the correct roster, not managing money. Guess its not a surprise given he was the bean-counter/contract guy when Dale was GM.
- blackhawk24

AFTER THEY WON THE CUP!

Get me another Cup and I'll deal (as a fan, of course) with another cap Hell.

Screw the cap! Spend Up to 2-3m below the cap each year, leaving room to make a tdl deal.
These are the blackhawks. Original six. How can they not go for a cup every year?
Let me answer.....a bean counter is running the team who thinks he is smarter than the average bear. Only problem is....he's not as smart as he thinks. Look at the results since he took over....speaks volumes
- dpard

I know it's easy for all of us to say...but it's not our money. Then again...you gotta spend money to make money.

That being said...RW dumped Huet in Europe and ate big bucks. We have Olesz in the minors making huge dollars...and I realize Rusty is here due to the Ginger salary dump. I just think it's unfair to suggest the Hawks are getting cheap.

It is possible that no deals were made at the deadline last year...because all of the options were lousy. I'd rather make no deal as opposed to a bad deal.

I refuse to criticize when I don't have all the facts.

Screw the cap! Spend Up to 2-3m below the cap each year, leaving room to make a tdl deal.
These are the blackhawks. Original six. How can they not go for a cup every year?
Let me answer.....a bean counter is running the team who thinks he is smarter than the average bear. Only problem is....he's not as smart as he thinks. Look at the results since he took over....speaks volumes
- dpard

Screw room for deals at the deadline, build a complete team from day one of the season and you don't have to worry about the deadline.

Dealing a guy with a $1M+ cap hit from a team that is $7-8M under the cap is not a salary dump, especially when they already have a full roster now. They will trade Leddy if they get the proper (physical) return.
- blackhawk24

I didn't mean a "salary dump" - I meant a "Sheahy dump" - getting rid of him because they're pissed at his agent b

Bulls traded Korver Looks like they're giving up on this season
- CBHawks88

Won't really know until we see what happens to Lucas III.

Screw room for deals at the deadline, build a complete team from day one of the season and you don't have to worry about the deadline.
- Ogilthorpe2

Just left room to allow for 1 injury
Pretty optimistic, eh?

I don't think he meant "salary" dump...more like a general dump-ing of a player for whatever reason.

At least that's how I read it....could be wrong.
- ArlingtonRob

Yes.

Are you sure? Until he pays a full season as a #1, there's now way to know for sure.
- Ogilthorpe2

Nope, not sure at all.