Perhaps it was just a lousy trade...

As a 20yo in his first full season in the NHL

played all 82 games...3 goals...34 assists...-12...ATOI... 22 minutes a game
- ArlingtonRob

After seeing what Barker had to offer, theres no doubt it was one of if not THEE worst trade in Wilds 12 year history.

Blackhawks org had to have been laughing their asses off after that one..

Luongo and Tanev for Leddy, Olsen, Frolik, Bickell

Seems like an overpayment, but thats the only way it'd get done.
- mochoson

Forget it then.

Newbie here, so let's get this out the way...



One for all of you animals.

I would offer the Kings Leddy for Bernier.

Plyrs99
- plyrs99

Welcome!

I'll take a NA beer please.

Prospects Camp Chubbies

Before anyone sets in motion a domino falling Leddy is gone because of Clendening scenario I say. "Cool your jets."

This is prospects camp.

Over the course of the every one, I have seen more than a number of fan sites, hockey publication sites, and official team sites start beating big drums on so many of these kids.
Lalonde was in the hawk line-up as a replacement no less than TWO season ago.
Morin was done deal.

Pure kool-aid with a mix of official team PR sugar.

I saw a bit of Clendening this last season and came away impressed with his toughness and defensive awareness…I already expected the QB general and puck mover & carrier.
His father wanted him to go pro and seems to be quite "involved' with his son's decisions.

I, for one don't see the up-ice burst of a Leddy in him so far. he seems more a spurt skater.
I was NEVER an advocate of Leddy's quick ascension but I think I understand that business and team needs sometimes are behind these moves.
I thoroughly think Leddy is no where near a finished product.
But I also think for me to launch him, it would have to bring exceptional return.

To think that Adam Clendening is penciled in as his replacement in 2013 is more than disturbing…it is quite irresponsible.
I just want to use an example of James Wisniewski…do all of you remember just how long it took them to finally bring him to the majors? You think that was an accident, or the team eventually being forced to play him because he just was far too good to continue in the minors.
I think that Clendening's star shines only after he shows it in the AHL.

What any Bowman says about ANY HAWK PROSPECT is basically a more positive than negative comment to continue the company line that we are doing things correctly.
(ANYBODY remember reading in the Hawk program how Mike Prokopec was gonna hold down 3rd line duties for a decade with the hawks?????)

If and WHEN this kid is an NHL ready pro may be tied to Leddy's future IN THE FUTURE…

Leddy's RFA contract may be a bone of contention. (Yeah, maybe his agent can get the WILD to piss away more money by offering to sign him.)
But Leddy will act as a trade chip at a date in March IF this rife between his agent and the hawks even exists…only if they get a REAL impact guy at the deadline.

If only it was so easy to dip to the farm and fill a line up on defense!

Just not the way it is.

Granted the Hawks defense will continue to change and be filled from within and you can't have too many of the same kind of players there…but the recent memories of chucking talented players after the Cup win still stands strong in the minds of the brain trust and will work against rash moves of defesnsemen with upside.

Now…if they feel Leddy is done developing, then they would be doing their best to fortify the cupboard at both prospect and pro level to make sure the spots are not holes.

and if some team REALLY OFFERED Doan more tha 7mil a year...
Let him go...
he is I guy i love on the ice, but whose purse empty is irresponsible.
- wiz1901

This is an awesome rant.

After seeing what Barker had to offer, theres no doubt it was one of if not THEE worst trade in Wilds 12 year history.

Blackhawks org had to have been laughing their asses off after that one..
- MnGump

still laughing

More rumors, just like the entire summer. Leddy is a Bowman favorite, he will be going nowhere. Sheldon Brookbank is all folks, believe me. First round exit coming once again. The Hawks got their Stanley Cup. Talk to you again in 49 years. This organization is very frustrating. Things have gotten better in terms of making this franchise more fan-friendly, but fact of the matter things got screwed up from a salary cap standpoint, and the Hawks basically had to start over again. They kept a great core no doubt, but they lost the glue guys that help great teams win. Until those type of players return, things are not going to be very rosy for quite a while again around the UC. Enough said, stay tuned until the next round of bogus rumors hit the airwaves. No rip on you JJ, you do a great job reporting what is out there. I just am sick and tired of one smokescreen after another this summer. The Hawks management really needs to wake up and fast before things get downright ugly, which would be a shame considering how far they came in such a short time.
- ChicagoHope

As things stand, I would agree with you. But there's still 2 months until camp, IF camp starts on time. Plenty of time to make moves, find bargains and upgrade the team. If camp opens with this roster, I'd be very disappointed in the offseason.

I agree...just make the deal, get Lu on the roster, and then we can move on to other things...
- ArlingtonRob

Or don't make the deal at all. I'm fed up with talking about Luongo as well.

still laughing
- fattybeef

Still scracthing my head...

As things stand, I would agree with you. But there's still 2 months until camp, IF camp starts on time. Plenty of time to make moves, find bargains and upgrade the team. If camp opens with this roster, I'd be very disappointed in the offseason.
- Jam16sugar

There are still 13 teams under the cap floor. There are still moves to be made.

I hope this isn't true. The Hawks shouldn't have ever been in on Suter to begin with given their cap situation and just having gotten out of a terrible contract of Campbells.

A lot of this information is spotty at best and I wonder how much is credible, but all of it does point to a really poorly run franchise, one that sends too many contradictory signals to indicate they actually have a clue.
- kwolf68

Part of me wonders if this whole 'cap hell' reservation from hawks fans/PR is overblown. Lots of teams including the flyers are always pushing the cap and manage to navigate it quite well. For instance, The flyers always have bonus money factored in and for the last couple seasons have had the Pronger and Laperierre contracts. They also still have Walker and Shelley on the payroll. I'm not as familiar with other teams but I do know some teams always are at the cap and still manage to get in the FA game.

Am I wrong to think maybe it's Stan?

Prospects Camp Chubbies

Before anyone sets in motion a domino falling Leddy is gone because of Clendening scenario I say. "Cool your jets."

This is prospects camp.

Over the course of the every one, I have seen more than a number of fan sites, hockey publication sites, and official team sites start beating big drums on so many of these kids.
Lalonde was in the hawk line-up as a replacement no less than TWO season ago.
Morin was done deal.

Pure kool-aid with a mix of official team PR sugar.

I saw a bit of Clendening this last season and came away impressed with his toughness and defensive awareness…I already expected the QB general and puck mover & carrier.
His father wanted him to go pro and seems to be quite "involved' with his son's decisions.

I, for one don't see the up-ice burst of a Leddy in him so far. he seems more a spurt skater.
I was NEVER an advocate of Leddy's quick ascension but I think I understand that business and team needs sometimes are behind these moves.
I thoroughly think Leddy is no where near a finished product.
But I also think for me to launch him, it would have to bring exceptional return.

To think that Adam Clendening is penciled in as his replacement in 2013 is more than disturbing…it is quite irresponsible.
I just want to use an example of James Wisniewski…do all of you remember just how long it took them to finally bring him to the majors? You think that was an accident, or the team eventually being forced to play him because he just was far too good to continue in the minors.
I think that Clendening's star shines only after he shows it in the AHL.

What any Bowman says about ANY HAWK PROSPECT is basically a more positive than negative comment to continue the company line that we are doing things correctly.
(ANYBODY remember reading in the Hawk program how Mike Prokopec was gonna hold down 3rd line duties for a decade with the hawks?????)

If and WHEN this kid is an NHL ready pro may be tied to Leddy's future IN THE FUTURE…

Leddy's RFA contract may be a bone of contention. (Yeah, maybe his agent can get the WILD to piss away more money by offering to sign him.)
But Leddy will act as a trade chip at a date in March IF this rife between his agent and the hawks even exists…only if they get a REAL impact guy at the deadline.

If only it was so easy to dip to the farm and fill a line up on defense!

Just not the way it is.

Granted the Hawks defense will continue to change and be filled from within and you can't have too many of the same kind of players there…but the recent memories of chucking talented players after the Cup win still stands strong in the minds of the brain trust and will work against rash moves of defesnsemen with upside.

Now…if they feel Leddy is done developing, then they would be doing their best to fortify the cupboard at both prospect and pro level to make sure the spots are not holes.

and if some team REALLY OFFERED Doan more tha 7mil a year...
Let him go...
he is I guy i love on the ice, but whose purse empty is irresponsible.
- wiz1901

Thank you Wiz for a post of sanity and clarity. You are oh-so-right-on re the development of D men. Seems most have short memories on how long it takes to really develop. My gosh, I can remember Seabrook's early time with the club and look at him now. And that was under a LOT LESS PRESSURE than Leddy had to endure, certainly post-cup and high expectations not only for him but the fan base for the club.

Why not? I do that deal 4x times a day.. and 10x on Sunday.
- victorymc98

It might be me, and I'm no scout, but I'm cautious and skeptical when it comes to goalie prospects. I am not sold on the greatness that is Jonathan Bernier.

That said, I'm not dead set against it...just leaning against it.

It might be me, and I'm no scout, but I'm cautious and skeptical when it comes to goalie prospects.

That said, I'm not dead set against it...just leaning against it.
- ArlingtonRob

I'd think a trade of Emery and Saad (with maybe a pick) for Bernier would be plenty. Giving up Leddy straight up for Bernier doesn't sit too well with me, unless there is a little more coming back on the Kings' end.

I'd think a trade of Emery and Saad (with maybe a pick) for Bernier would be plenty. Giving up Leddy straight up for Bernier doesn't sit too well with me, unless there is a little more coming back on the Kings' end.
- EKolb13

#11?

I'd think a trade of Emery and Saad (with maybe a pick) for Bernier would be plenty. Giving up Leddy straight up for Bernier doesn't sit too well with me, unless there is a little more coming back on the Kings' end.
- EKolb13

No...that's a no no for me at this point.

Perhaps I'm a bit Bowmanian in my view of prospects, but Saad has too much upside, plus cost certainty, to launch now...

...especially for another prospect.

I'd think a trade of Emery and Saad (with maybe a pick) for Bernier would be plenty. Giving up Leddy straight up for Bernier doesn't sit too well with me, unless there is a little more coming back on the Kings' end.
- EKolb13

LA is $8 million under the cap. If I had to guess they'd want solid NHL-ready return for Bernier. Jmo.

Am I really in the minority regarding J. Bernier?

Is he that much of a lock for greatness?

What would you guys want for him from the Flyers? Just speculation, we need a puck-mover to replace Carle this year and Timonen next.

Thank you Wiz for a post of sanity and clarity. You are oh-so-right-on re the development of D men. Seems most have short memories on how long it takes to really develop. My gosh, I can remember Seabrook's early time with the club and look at him now. And that was under a LOT LESS PRESSURE than Leddy had to endure, certainly post-cup and high expectations not only for him but the fan base for the club.
- savvyone-1

Yeah wiz, great post. Savvy, good points.

Leddy was thrown into top 2 pairing through no fault of his own. However, he's undersized and is better as a #5 guy and PP specialist. We have too many undersized D men and Leddy's D-fensive awareness is so-so at best. I'd trade Leddy for Plekanic ANY day of the week. And yes, Plekanic has been spoken about. BTW, I hope this Hasek talk is just a bad, bad rumor.

LA is $8 million under the cap. If I had to guess they'd want solid NHL-ready return for Bernier. Jmo.
- moylander

You're probably right about that.

It might be me, and I'm no scout, but I'm cautious and skeptical when it comes to goalie prospects. I am not sold on the greatness that is Jonathan Bernier.

That said, I'm not dead set against it...just leaning against it.
- ArlingtonRob

Bernier is 20-17-5 with a .910 save percentage and 2.50 goals-against average in 49 NHL games, former AHL goalie of the year.

blurb from SN article "Columbus traded for Sergei Bobrovsky and has long reported to be less than enamored with Bernier"

So who the heck knows...

LA is $8 million under the cap. If I had to guess they'd want solid NHL-ready return for Bernier. Jmo.
- moylander

I agree, and I really don't want to help LA out. They're gonna be a pain in the backside for years.

Then again, J. Bernier beating his former club regularly would be nice motivation, and fun to witness...

...I may need to reconsider my stance.

Am I really in the minority regarding J. Bernier?

Is he that much of a lock for greatness?
- ArlingtonRob

I don't think he's a lock for greatness. He's got some upside. He's no guarantee that you make the playoffs or win a cup with him. However, he can't be any worse that Crawford.

Bernier is 20-17-5 with a .910 save percentage and 2.50 goals-against average in 49 NHL games, former AHL goalie of the year.

blurb from SN article "Columbus traded for Sergei Bobrovsky and has long reported to be less than enamored with Bernier"
- Sundevil

Well if Columbus went with Bobrovsky, and doesn't think much of Bernier, I say we grab him immediately.

Considering Howson's record....always do the opposite.