What would the return for Leddy be
- southernhawk

Most likely not enough. Specifically a 2c


Trading Leddy i think will be something hawk fans regret for the next ten years

He was a defensemen for the Blues. He played 42 games between the '81-'82 and '82-'83 seasons.
- EKolb13

I found a you tube vid of him and al secord....funny stuff

Although I agree I think you will get little buy-in here.

My take on your (hypothetical) question:

Simmonds is already a spitting image of Hartnell except younger, faster, and better on the boards. He had 28 goals (11 pp goals) and is tough as nails. For example he took a puck off his face in practice, got stitched up with 17 stitches iirc, same day he laces up the skates for game time and during the game busted up face and all gets in a fight protecting his teammates.

Schenn is physical and plays a lot like Mike Richards. Has a ways to go still. He's my breakout player for the flyers this season. Write this down..... He's getting 50+ points this season. This kid doesn't know how to quit.

Also.... combined they are a $4.9 cap hit, actual salary paid is about $3 million. Don't forget the flyers got Nick Cousins with the 3rd round pick from that trade. 88 points in the OHL last season.... projects to be a physical 3C with a knack for getting under the opponents skin.

Not only would a trade like that free up cap space for the hawks, but it provides two bigger, more physical players in the top 6 and a prospect.

Sharp-Toews-Simmonds
Stalberg-Schenn-Hossa

Yeah, I'd give up Kane in a trade like that. Fortunately for me and the rest of us flyer fans, homer won't give up assets like Simmonds and Schenn for Kane (or Nash or Ryan).
- moylander

I was hoping you would jump in. Lol. You and I both agree Holmgren made great trades.I'm not saying we would get that return now just saying that is the kind of deal I would like for Kane: 2 young players with skill and grit. Simmonds is underrated. Schenn will have a breakout, I agree. 2 young, tough players who can both be around 60-70 point players for most of their career for 1 soft but highly-skilled 70-90 point player?

This from TSN as the NHl tables its platform for the new CBA:

The National Hockey League has reportedly made its initial proposal to the NHL Players Association as the two sides attempt to reach a new collective bargaining agreement.

According to Renaud Lavoie of RDS.ca, the league's initial proposal features a few key changes to the current CBA, as agreed upon in 2005.

Many key changes to player contracts are reportedly featured in the initial agreement including a maximum five-year duration to all future NHL contracts as well as a lengthening of the current entry-level contract from a three-year deal to a five-year contract length.

The league has also reportedly sought change to unrestricted free agency, proposing that players have 10 years NHL service before they are eligible for unrestricted free agency as opposed to the current system that allows for players to be eligible after seven years in the league or at the age of 27 as well as an end to salary arbitration.

In terms of hockey related revenues, the league is reportedly looking for a reduction to the players' share, dropping them to 46 per cent, down from their current level of 57 per cent.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post has also reported via Twitter that the NHL's proposal would also eliminate signing bonuses on future contracts and mandate that all future deals must have an equal value for every year of the contract.




Good luck with that one Bettman. Stanley may have a year to make his squad better if this is what the BOG wants in a new deal.

Hey !!

White Sox win a wild one in KC 9-8 in 14.

Tighten it up boyz...

I would think significany because of potential and already being in the NHL. Probably 3rd best value for Chicago defenseman. Big return ala a name like Plekanec in a package.
- ikeane

Try Leddy and package for just Pleks, and I wouldnt even want to do that unless it was a damn good package...

Try Leddy and package for just Pleks, and I wouldnt even want to do that unless it was a damn good package...
- KovyFan27

I know. If they´d trade team´s number one centerman they´ll probably want some good value back. Leddy is a good start but what else? I don´t know but as a hawks fan I could offer something like this: Leddy, Kruger and Frolik or Leddy, McNeill and Stalberg. Just don´t know if the value is right for the Habs..

edit. How much better Hawks would be with Pleks as a second line center? Is he the kind of player we desperately need? How does he perform when the going gets tough (see playoffs)?

This from TSN as the NHl tables its platform for the new CBA:

The National Hockey League has reportedly made its initial proposal to the NHL Players Association as the two sides attempt to reach a new collective bargaining agreement.

According to Renaud Lavoie of RDS.ca, the league's initial proposal features a few key changes to the current CBA, as agreed upon in 2005.

Many key changes to player contracts are reportedly featured in the initial agreement including a maximum five-year duration to all future NHL contracts as well as a lengthening of the current entry-level contract from a three-year deal to a five-year contract length.

The league has also reportedly sought change to unrestricted free agency, proposing that players have 10 years NHL service before they are eligible for unrestricted free agency as opposed to the current system that allows for players to be eligible after seven years in the league or at the age of 27 as well as an end to salary arbitration.

In terms of hockey related revenues, the league is reportedly looking for a reduction to the players' share, dropping them to 46 per cent, down from their current level of 57 per cent.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post has also reported via Twitter that the NHL's proposal would also eliminate signing bonuses on future contracts and mandate that all future deals must have an equal value for every year of the contract.




Good luck with that one Bettman. Stanley may have a year to make his squad better if this is what the BOG wants in a new deal.
- djd

WTF are they thinking? Wow absolute lunacy. There is no way the big market teams support this proposal. None. Obviously the players wont either. I would send that back with a photocopy of my butt and sign it pucker up Gary because you can kiss it.

WTF are they thinking? Wow absolute lunacy. There is no way the big market teams support this proposal. None. Obviously the players wont either. I would send that back with a photocopy of my butt and sign it pucker up Gary because you can kiss it.
- scorerstouch

If the league has officially brought this to the PA, doesn't that mean they've already supported it?

I just hope the season starts on time

I just hope the season starts on time
- southernhawk

Amen to that thought.

This from TSN as the NHl tables its platform for the new CBA:

The National Hockey League has reportedly made its initial proposal to the NHL Players Association as the two sides attempt to reach a new collective bargaining agreement.

According to Renaud Lavoie of RDS.ca, the league's initial proposal features a few key changes to the current CBA, as agreed upon in 2005.

Many key changes to player contracts are reportedly featured in the initial agreement including a maximum five-year duration to all future NHL contracts as well as a lengthening of the current entry-level contract from a three-year deal to a five-year contract length.

The league has also reportedly sought change to unrestricted free agency, proposing that players have 10 years NHL service before they are eligible for unrestricted free agency as opposed to the current system that allows for players to be eligible after seven years in the league or at the age of 27 as well as an end to salary arbitration.

In terms of hockey related revenues, the league is reportedly looking for a reduction to the players' share, dropping them to 46 per cent, down from their current level of 57 per cent.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post has also reported via Twitter that the NHL's proposal would also eliminate signing bonuses on future contracts and mandate that all future deals must have an equal value for every year of the contract.




Good luck with that one Bettman. Stanley may have a year to make his squad better if this is what the BOG wants in a new deal.
- djd

I can't wait to see the NHLPA's counter proposal.

WTF are they thinking? Wow absolute lunacy. There is no way the big market teams support this proposal. None. Obviously the players wont either. I would send that back with a photocopy of my butt and sign it pucker up Gary because you can kiss it.
- scorerstouch

There's a reason it's caled an initial propsal. It's a negotiation, you never start with your best offer, otherwise there's no room to move on later in the process. It's normal to shoot for the moon in an opening proposal. Not really a big deal in my opinion. It's to be expected.

This from TSN as the NHl tables its platform for the new CBA:

The National Hockey League has reportedly made its initial proposal to the NHL Players Association as the two sides attempt to reach a new collective bargaining agreement.

According to Renaud Lavoie of RDS.ca, the league's initial proposal features a few key changes to the current CBA, as agreed upon in 2005.

Many key changes to player contracts are reportedly featured in the initial agreement including a maximum five-year duration to all future NHL contracts as well as a lengthening of the current entry-level contract from a three-year deal to a five-year contract length.

The league has also reportedly sought change to unrestricted free agency, proposing that players have 10 years NHL service before they are eligible for unrestricted free agency as opposed to the current system that allows for players to be eligible after seven years in the league or at the age of 27 as well as an end to salary arbitration.

In terms of hockey related revenues, the league is reportedly looking for a reduction to the players' share, dropping them to 46 per cent, down from their current level of 57 per cent.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post has also reported via Twitter that the NHL's proposal would also eliminate signing bonuses on future contracts and mandate that all future deals must have an equal value for every year of the contract.




Good luck with that one Bettman. Stanley may have a year to make his squad better if this is what the BOG wants in a new deal.
- djd

Just a starting point, of course, but starting aggressive.

A 20% rollback in salaries - they probably want to wind up at 50%, like the NBA -
when so many teams were willing to throw absurd money at Parise, Suter, and now Doan. Fehr to NHL: control your own constituents, don't take it out of my guys pockets.

Owners may win the contract length issues and the equal value issue, but certainly not the 10 years to UFA issue.

Just a starting point, of course, but starting aggressive.

A 20% rollback in salaries - they probably want to wind up at 50%, like the NBA -
when so many teams were willing to throw absurd money at Parise, Suter, and now Doan. Fehr to NHL: control your own constituents, don't take it out of my guys pockets.

Owners may win the contract length issues and the equal value issue, but certainly not the 10 years to UFA issue.
- StLBravesFan

That could be a pretty realistic result when it is all said and done.

That could be a pretty realistic result when it is all said and done.
- EKolb13

That's still over 12% rollback - if taken equally from players, about $800,000 per year from Toews and Kane, for instance.

I never said throw caution to the wind. I said acquire the needed players to contend for the cup, every year. This ain't a small market team. Get the horses and go for it
- dpard

You said, "screw the cap". That's what I keyed off of with my reply.

I get everyone's frustration, but spending to the cap doesn't mean anything more than what ends up showing on CapGeek. Think of this: What if the 'Hawks didn't win in '10??? Then what? Capocalypse & NO Cup. Some here to legitimise spending like crazy because "last time it 'worked'".

I want to see other moves to toughen them up now & even those are not happening: Winnik & Hannan.

Would return for Lu become Leddy and Frolik? Perhaps something like Tanev, Lu and 2nd/3rd rd pick to recover one of the 2 picks traded in the Oduya deal for Frolik, Leddy?
- ikeane

This may be the dumbest trade offer I have ever seen, Luongo is still an elite goaltender, you are wanting him for a third like forward, a 2nd pair at best undersized d-man, and you want Tanev and a pick?? Absurd. You must have went to the Scott Howson school of trading.

This may be the dumbest trade offer I have ever seen, Luongo is still an elite goaltender, you are wanting him for a third like forward, a 2nd pair at best undersized d-man, and you want Tanev and a pick?? Absurd. You must have went to the Scott Howson school of trading.
- yave1964

He's an elite goaltender with a market that has no demand for him. What teams are really out there that could use his services? Toronto and Chicago. He won't go to Toronto, and wants to go to Florida, who really don't need his services. It really doesn't leave much competition for Luongo's services.

So why offer anything of value to acquire him and his horrible contract when there is no demand out there for him?

It seems you've attended the Howson school of trade yourself.

By the way, I love how the Red Wings blue line corps are shaping up!

He's an elite goaltender with a market that has no demand for him. What teams are really out there that could use his services? Toronto and Chicago. He won't go to Toronto, and wants to go to Florida, who really don't need his services. It really doesn't leave much competition for Luongo's services.

So why offer anything of value to acquire him and his horrible contract when there is no demand out there for him?

It seems you've attended the Howson school of trade yourself.

By the way, I love how the Red Wings blue line corps are shaping up!
- EKolb13

Preach brother preach. Good morning Eli

You said, "screw the cap". That's what I keyed off of with my reply.

I get everyone's frustration, but spending to the cap doesn't mean anything more than what ends up showing on CapGeek. Think of this: What if the 'Hawks didn't win in '10??? Then what? Capocalypse & NO Cup. Some here to legitimise spending like crazy because "last time it 'worked'".

I want to see other moves to toughen them up now & even those are not happening: Winnik & Hannan.
- blackhawk24

I agree wild spending does not guarantee a championship. If reports of the crazy offers for Doan are true I'd pass on him as much as I would like the Hawks to sign him. FA'S aren't the only way to improve the team. Having a strong farm system helps in two ways by developing talent so you don't have to rely on free agency and using that talent as trading chips.

Here's the problem. The Hawks prospects are probably at least two years away. With a shrewd trade or two maybe Bowman can improve the team enough to get back in the Cup conversation but he has to be able to trade some of these guys and bring back talent that can contribute now. He hasn't so far and I don't know if he's capable of improving the team via trades. He made a good deal in getting Leddy but that's been it so far.

He's an elite goaltender with a market that has no demand for him. What teams are really out there that could use his services? Toronto and Chicago. He won't go to Toronto, and wants to go to Florida, who really don't need his services. It really doesn't leave much competition for Luongo's services.

So why offer anything of value to acquire him and his horrible contract when there is no demand out there for him?

It seems you've attended the Howson school of trade yourself.

By the way, I love how the Red Wings blue line corps are shaping up!
- EKolb13

You are mistaken if you think Gillis HAS to do something with Lu. If Toronto or Chicago start out slow this season who do you think the pressure will be on to improve their teams and who is the only one carrying an extra top goalie still in his prime. If Chicago or Toronto is smart they pay a little more now rather than a lot more later. A couple of softies given up by craw and you guys will be crying 'why didn't Stan get us a goalie' Jmo.

You are mistaken if you think Gillis HAS to do something with Lu. If Toronto or Chicago start out slow this season who do you think the pressure will be on to improve their teams and who is the only one carrying an extra top goalie still in his prime. If Chicago or Toronto is smart they pay a little more now rather than a lot more later. A couple of softies given up by craw and you guys will be crying 'why didn't Stan get us a goalie' Jmo.
- moylander

Maybe, but I will never say why didn't Stan get us Lu.

Preach brother preach. Good morning Eli
- Ogilthorpe2

'Morning Ogie!

You are mistaken if you think Gillis HAS to do something with Lu. If Toronto or Chicago start out slow this season who do you think the pressure will be on to improve their teams and who is the only one carrying an extra top goalie still in his prime. If Chicago or Toronto is smart they pay a little more now rather than a lot more later. A couple of softies given up by craw and you guys will be crying 'why didn't Stan get us a goalie' Jmo.
- moylander

I never said Gillis has to do anything. If I was insinuating that notion, it wasn't what I was going for.

I agree, it would make more sense for GIllis to hold onto Luongo into the start of the season to see if demand grows. He may get a better return then? Regardless of who's looking for a goalie, Luongo's NTC will also be some sort of factor. Whether Luongo wants to play hardball and hold out for a destination of his liking, or if he's just desperate to get out of Vancouver will have some bearing on that too. Also, depending on how long Gillis waits holding out for that "right deal," other teams could fall out of contention and could have goalies they want to trade themselves.

I think if Chicago or Toronto are smart, they hold out for the best possible deal Gillis will offer them, including Gillis taking on as much bad salary in return as Luongo's cap hit is worth.

I really have a feeling that Luongo's situation is going to drag out for a very long time.