Since when did hockey not become a business. Bullpoop this no trade clause. Players get paid millions of dollars every year to be f-ing "cats" . A team wants to trade you, you get traded you don't get a (frank)en say.
- manvanfan

Well, if hockey were a real business no one would be allowed to ship anyone to an alternate location against their will. I don't care how much they're getting paid. I think all contracts should automatically come with a NTC. If a team signs onto a long contract which turns out badly then they were stupid and will pay the price. Trust me, if there were no out, teams would be far more selective with the term of their contracts.

Nothing close to what has been posted here (Gardiner+1+),......(sharpe+), ....... Hubedereau+Verseeg+...... Saad, Leddy, Krueger.
- burn

You clearly have an opinion since you a quick to critique other proposals. What, in your opinion, is Luongo worth?

No it's not. You won in a league that does not resemble anything of how hockey looks today. You won trophies in an East Coast league where there were no international players, no helmets and and the biggest players in the league were 6'1. The sticks were different the skates were different. You had 21 of your 30 players from ONT. At the same time you accomplished all this Vancouver won 6 West Coast titles in 12 years.

Leafs have never won a modern Cup and their victory is no better than the Millionaires winning.
- VANTEL

Wow

That, and not to mention that that packaged couldn't come close to landing Nash.
- burn

Why not? Two top 6 forwards in Booth and Raymond. A decent defenceman in Ballard and a very good prospect in Kevin. If i was CLB i'd be stupid not to take that deal. Booth and Raymond come for the same price as Nash and will add to good forward to a 1st and 2nd line that will get as many or more points combined then Nash would. Ballard is a decent defenceman better then what they have. Goin to be a very good defenceman in Kevin. don't want to say his last name because i just don't know how it is spelled...... if anyone wants to help out haha

no?
- burn

Your a maple leafs fan. You Trade kessel for, a player that's going to be better then him and another player that will probably put up 40 points a years as a defenceman AND A STANLEY CUP.

You clearly have an opinion since you a quick to critique other proposals. What, in your opinion, is Luongo worth?
- nucks_94

Franson , colborne a dump and 2nd

You clearly have an opinion since you a quick to critique other proposals. What, in your opinion, is Luongo worth?
- nucks_94

It's hard to say because I don;t know where he truly wants to go. Certainly not worth high 1st+ top prospects. No chance in hell.

I'll admit that he's worth more than he's actually return, but in reality he's worth what the market will pay for him. And since the market is extremely limited (2-3teams, if that) he's not going to get a whole lot. You're not getting a top prospect or a 1st or a top notch young roster player. It's just not going to happen.

Well, if hockey were a real business no one would be allowed to ship anyone to an alternate location against their will. I don't care how much they're getting paid. I think all contracts should automatically come with a NTC. If a team signs onto a long contract which turns out badly then they were stupid and will pay the price. Trust me, if there were no out, teams would be far more selective with the term of their contracts.
- AlexF

Just like the real world doesn't matter how much you get paid you don't produce you get fired. In this case you get traded.

Franson , colborne a dump and 2nd
- The_Vark

Bozak, Gunnersson and Ashton

Nothing close to what has been posted here (Gardiner+1+),......(sharpe+), ....... Hubedereau+Verseeg+...... Saad, Leddy, Krueger.
- burn

You know as well as I do TOR have two players worth trading for ,Gardner and Lupul. The rest of the Leaf team are not that good and your record over the last 8 years proves this right. So you want a top ten goalie but are willing to part with anything that could get you that.

I do agree Leafs are horrible trade partners.I don't think Van/Tor should plan any deal in any way. There are no goalies coming up through the system so you are probably about 5 years away from a decent goalie. I have no problem wih the Leafs missing the playoffs another 5 years and almost expect this to be true.

I have grown tired of these pissing contests where two sides don't want to budge.

I think Canucks should wait and see what team becomes desperate through the year and offers the best deal.

Why not? Two top 6 forwards in Booth and Raymond. A decent defenceman in Ballard and a very good prospect in Kevin. If i was CLB i'd be stupid not to take that deal. Booth and Raymond come for the same price as Nash and will add to good forward to a 1st and 2nd line that will get as many or more points combined then Nash would. Ballard is a decent defenceman better then what they have. Goin to be a very good defenceman in Kevin. don't want to say his last name because i just don't know how it is spelled...... if anyone wants to help out haha
- manvanfan

Raymond is a top 6?? Balard is decent?

If CLB takes that deal they are stupid.

Your a maple leafs fan. You Trade kessel for, a player that's going to be better then him and another player that will probably put up 40 points a years as a defenceman AND A STANLEY CUP.
- manvanfan

I did?

Franson , colborne a dump and 2nd
- The_Vark

Franson doesn't crack Vancouver's top 6 Dmen. Colborne might be alright... Florida or Chicago would likely offer more.

Franson , colborne a dump and 2nd
- The_Vark

Not in a million years.

It's hard to say because I don;t know where he truly wants to go. Certainly not worth high 1st+ top prospects. No chance in hell.

I'll admit that he's worth more than he's actually return, but in reality he's worth what the market will pay for him. And since the market is extremely limited (2-3teams, if that) he's not going to get a whole lot. You're not getting a top prospect or a 1st or a top notch young roster player. It's just not going to happen.
- burn

I agree to a degree. But all you need is one desprete team. Look no further then the Kaberle trade. Tomas came right out and said the only team he'd go to is Boston. At the time he was no longer a top 4 d man. Luongo is still in the top 10-12 goalies.

Wow
- The_Vark

Just East Coast ignorance. You were winning cups in the East Coast league and Vancouver were winning cups in the West Coast league but seems only your 6 team league matters. Typical East Coast thinking.

Franson doesn't crack Vancouver's top 6 Dmen. Colborne might be alright... Florida or Chicago would likely offer more.
- nucks_94

You wont get better than that..... And I doubt franson has trouble making your top 6.

I'd hope that the Nucks don't take that deal because it's terrible from the Leafs perspective.

It's hard to say because I don;t know where he truly wants to go. Certainly not worth high 1st+ top prospects. No chance in hell.

I'll admit that he's worth more than he's actually return, but in reality he's worth what the market will pay for him. And since the market is extremely limited (2-3teams, if that) he's not going to get a whole lot. You're not getting a top prospect or a 1st or a top notch young roster player. It's just not going to happen.
- burn

Interesting that you don't seem to willing to make a proposal of your own. Quick with the laughing emoticons though.

What you say in terms of Lu's value in a limited market is correct, but from the VAN perspective any trade also has to fill a need or else why do it at all. If Gillis was looking for a salary dump, he could have done it in 2 seconds. In TO's case the need that is filled is clear: a bonafide #1 goalie. In VAN's case what is the need a return would fill? Certainly not mediocrity like Macarthur or Kadri. As I said, if nothing comes back that would enhance the team Gillis won't make the move at all. There will be some desperate team mid-season that ramp up the price.

Bozak, Gunnersson and Ashton
- Bieksa#3

To be fair it's just what I think ... A roster player a pick and a young prospect ..... If his contract was 3 or 4 years u would get way more

Bozak, Gunnersson and Ashton
- Bieksa#3

It's hard to say because I don;t know where he truly wants to go. Certainly not worth high 1st+ top prospects. No chance in hell.

I'll admit that he's worth more than he's actually return, but in reality he's worth what the market will pay for him. And since the market is extremely limited (2-3teams, if that) he's not going to get a whole lot. You're not getting a top prospect or a 1st or a top notch young roster player. It's just not going to happen.
- burn

Well considering Chicago might be desperate enough to offer Hasek a contract, the market could change.

In your opinion, does Luongo make the Leafs a better team? Does he get you in to the playoffs?

Franson doesn't crack Vancouver's top 6 Dmen. Colborne might be alright... Florida or Chicago would likely offer more.
- nucks_94

Ya maybe

You know as well as I do TOR have two players worth trading for ,Gardner and Lupul. The rest of the Leaf team are not that good and your record over the last 8 years proves this right. So you want a top ten goalie but are willing to part with anything that could get you that.

I do agree Leafs are horrible trade partners.I don't think Van/Tor should plan any deal in any way. There are no goalies coming up through the system so you are probably about 5 years away from a decent goalie. I have no problem wih the Leafs missing the playoffs another 5 years and almost expect this to be true.

I have grown tired of these pissing contests where two sides don't want to budge.

I think Canucks should wait and see what team becomes desperate through the year and offers the best deal.
- VANTEL

Huh?

To be fair it's just what I think ... A roster player a pick and a young prospect ..... If his contract was 3 or 4 years u would get way more
- The_Vark

That is actually what the tsn-boys came up with. I presume Dreger and Co have a better grasp of market value then any of us

In the "hockey world" I hear they "don't want to mortgage the future" What I don't understand is sometimes you have to give up a little something of the future to get what you need NOW. I'm not talking mortgaging the entire future. To give up something to get something though. Is the goal every year but to try and win the stanley cup? Ever year you get to draft players to restock the system, sign some college draft picks that were late bloomers. Walk ons, europeans. Certain teams remain so close but yet never do anything. Why not make the trade. For better or worse whatever is happening right now isn't working for you anyways.