I project 40 points at best with this team.
- NYRPowerPlay

that's pretty harsh. he's scored over 40 points every season except last season and he's broken 50 points once. you dont go from consistent 40-50 points for 4 years and then drop to consistent 30-40 points for the rest of your career at this young age...but hey anythings possible.

trading dubi goes beyond the statistics. this guy has been on this team for a while and he's a leader. if he gets traded, i'm sure the guys on the team will be devastated.

but if we can swing him in a package for a player like nash or a solid defenseman then i'm 100% behind it because i'd rather have the proven player rather than the question mark heading into next season.

I agree with you. I actually think Dubinsky has gone, in one year, from being overrated by the Rangers' fanbase, to now being really underrated. I am not saying that the Rangers shouldn't look to move him and that salary in the right deal, but at the same time, if he is with the Rangers next year, I think he has the potential to rebound to around the 50 point level.

He is not a terrible player. He does some things very well. He just had a terrible year.
- Pete V

I think 50 points is a good estimate, last year he got off to a slow start and it got to his head. Maybe it was because of all the travel, or 24/7, or something else but he still played well defensively. If he gets off to a good start I can see him reaching 50pts.

but if we can swing him in a package for a player like nash or a solid defenseman then i'm 100% behind it because i'd rather have the proven player rather than the question mark heading into next season.
- rangerdanger94

Dubi has very little value, he would just be a salary dump in any big trade. Any other trades would be Dubi +.

I think 50 points is a good estimate, last year he got off to a slow start and it got to his head. Maybe it was because of all the travel, or 24/7, or something else but he still played well defensively. If he gets off to a good start I can see him reaching 50pts.
- hockeypunk36

In order to score 50 points, however, he will need to play on one of the Top 2 lines, and possibly get some powerplay time as well. The biggest thing that will prevent him to getting back to that level is that the Rangers have added talent, and his offensive role is likely to diminish as a result of that.

I think he is capable of tallying between 50-60 points, but I am unsure whether he will be in the position to do so. If he plays on the 3rd line, the more realistic expectation may be 40-45 points.

In order to score 50 points, however, he will need to play on one of the Top 2 lines, and possibly get some powerplay time as well. The biggest thing that will prevent him to getting back to that level is that the Rangers have added talent, and his offensive role is likely to diminish as a result of that.

I think he is capable of tallying between 50-60 points, but I am unsure whether he will be in the position to do so. If he plays on the 3rd line, the more realistic expectation may be 40-45 points.
- Pete V

That's true, but if we have enough depth up front Torts could easily roll 3 lines and give them more time than most 3rd lines. Plus he'll play on the PK and maybe the PP, so, while unlikely, he could still get 50pts. I'll be happy with 40pts because I don't see him getting much time in the top 6 if we get Semin.

I think Howson is playing this pretty cool. Sort of following the Phoenix model with Turris. It serves everybody better to get a deal done sooner rather than later, except for Columbus. Not until it became apparent that Phoenix would not break did the offers for Turris escalate. Big pressure for the Rangers to include Krieder or McDonaugh in the deal. My guess is that Sather caves. If not, Nash will cave and expand his list.
- spatso

clearly you haven't been following the situation. rangers don't trade future core players for a winger who's capable of scroing 35-40 goals.

honestly, i just want the rangers to sign shane doan. i think if we can get him and sign MDZ then we're set and can call this offseason complete.

The rumor last week was that Nash maybe able to be had for Dubinsky, Stepan and a 1st, and there was some debate as to whether that would be a wise trade or not for the Rangers.

Take a look at these potential offensive lineups, one assuming that the above Nash trade is made, and one assuming that Semin is signed as a free agent. I realize that other moves would likely be made, but which lineup is better. (And I know it is impossible to predict line combos with any level of certainty)

Nash Trade Lineup:

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Anisimov-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Pyatt
Rupp-Halpern-Asham

Semin Acquisition Lineup:

Semin-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Dubinsky (realize two LWs here)
Pyatt-Halpern-Rupp/Asham

The Semin lineup looks stronger to me, even if Dubinsky needs to be moved for cap space necessary to bolster the D a little.

The rumor last week was that Nash maybe able to be had for Dubinsky, Stepan and a 1st, and there was some debate as to whether that would be a wise trade or not for the Rangers.

Take a look at these potential offensive lineups, one assuming that the above Nash trade is made, and one assuming that Semin is signed as a free agent. I realize that other moves would likely be made, but which lineup is better. (And I know it is impossible to predict line combos with any level of certainty)

Nash Trade Lineup:

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Anisimov-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Pyatt
Rupp-Halpern-Asham

Semin Acquisition Lineup:

Semin-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Dubinsky (realize two LWs here)
Pyatt-Halpern-Rupp/Asham

The Semin lineup looks stronger to me, even if Dubinsky needs to be moved for cap space necessary to bolster the D a little.
- Pete V

yea but we're not gonna get semin. that's a pipedream.

i think people were just thinking about what IF we got semin but i think most people here know it's highly unlikely.

now replace semin with doan and add anisimov and you have a stacked lineup.

The rumor last week was that Nash maybe able to be had for Dubinsky, Stepan and a 1st, and there was some debate as to whether that would be a wise trade or not for the Rangers.

Take a look at these potential offensive lineups, one assuming that the above Nash trade is made, and one assuming that Semin is signed as a free agent. I realize that other moves would likely be made, but which lineup is better. (And I know it is impossible to predict line combos with any level of certainty)

Nash Trade Lineup:

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Anisimov-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Pyatt
Rupp-Halpern-Asham

Semin Acquisition Lineup:

Semin-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Dubinsky (realize two LWs here)
Pyatt-Halpern-Rupp/Asham

The Semin lineup looks stronger to me, even if Dubinsky needs to be moved for cap space necessary to bolster the D a little.
- Pete V

I agree, if the Rangers could get Semin on a 1 year deal then screw Nash and the Blue jackets. Move on and go get the stanely cup.

yea but we're not gonna get semin. that's a pipedream.

i think people were just thinking about what IF we got semin but i think most people here know it's highly unlikely.

now replace semin with doan and add anisimov and you have a stacked lineup.
- rangerdanger94

I think we could get Semin, we need some more scoring, he's a FA, and we have cap space. Sather has taken chances on players like him before; Wolski, Zherdev, and Frolov, Semin's a lot more skilled than those guys. And like some people have said I think the chemistry will outweigh him being a locker room cancer.

Depth is a great problem to have I see the lines looking like this or maybe 2 shifts into the season when torts shakes things up
Kreider-Richards-Callahan
AA-Stephan-hagelin
Pyatt-Boyle-dubi
Rupp/Haley-halpern-ashem
Newberry

Mcd-girardi
Staal-erixon
Stralman-mdz
Bickel

Depth is a great problem to have I see the lines looking like this or maybe 2 shifts into the season when torts shakes things up
Kreider-Richards-Callahan
AA-Stephan-hagelin
Pyatt-Boyle-dubi
Rupp/Haley-halpern-ashem
Newberry

Mcd-girardi
Staal-erixon
Stralman-mdz
Bickel
- volcom955

i love Kreider and i think he's going to be a great player for us. But to have him as our main scoring threat until Gaborik return from injury is unnerving. That's a ton of pressure to put on the shoulders of a 21 year old kid

The rumor last week was that Nash maybe able to be had for Dubinsky, Stepan and a 1st, and there was some debate as to whether that would be a wise trade or not for the Rangers.

Take a look at these potential offensive lineups, one assuming that the above Nash trade is made, and one assuming that Semin is signed as a free agent. I realize that other moves would likely be made, but which lineup is better. (And I know it is impossible to predict line combos with any level of certainty)

Nash Trade Lineup:

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Anisimov-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Pyatt
Rupp-Halpern-Asham

Semin Acquisition Lineup:

Semin-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Dubinsky (realize two LWs here)
Pyatt-Halpern-Rupp/Asham

The Semin lineup looks stronger to me, even if Dubinsky needs to be moved for cap space necessary to bolster the D a little.
- Pete V

You forgot AA in your semin linup?

I think we could get Semin, we need some more scoring, he's a FA, and we have cap space. Sather has taken chances on players like him before; Wolski, Zherdev, Frolov, Semin's a lot more skilled than those guys. And like some people have said I think the chemistry will outweigh him being a locker room cancer.
- hockeypunk36

idk i mean theres always a chance but he'll be jumping around the 1st and 2nd line and if the rumors are true that detroit and pitt and nj are offering him 1st line minutes playing with datsyuk/crosby/malkin/kovy then it'll be hard to convince him to join without overpaying him.

on top of that, i see some teams like the islanders potentially offering 8+ mil a season for him.

and also, he's most likely looking for a long term deal and i doubt the rangers will want to give him more than a year or 2.

i would looooooooooove to add semin because he's exactly what this team needs but it'll be an uphill battle to get him here.

The rumor last week was that Nash maybe able to be had for Dubinsky, Stepan and a 1st, and there was some debate as to whether that would be a wise trade or not for the Rangers.

Take a look at these potential offensive lineups, one assuming that the above Nash trade is made, and one assuming that Semin is signed as a free agent. I realize that other moves would likely be made, but which lineup is better. (And I know it is impossible to predict line combos with any level of certainty)

Nash Trade Lineup:

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Anisimov-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Pyatt
Rupp-Halpern-Asham

Semin Acquisition Lineup:

Semin-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Dubinsky (realize two LWs here)
Pyatt-Halpern-Rupp/Asham

The Semin lineup looks stronger to me, even if Dubinsky needs to be moved for cap space necessary to bolster the D a little.
- Pete V

You forgot AA in your semin linup?

Depth is a great problem to have I see the lines looking like this or maybe 2 shifts into the season when torts shakes things up
Kreider-Richards-Callahan
AA-Stephan-hagelin
Pyatt-Boyle-dubi
Rupp/Haley-halpern-ashem
Newberry

Mcd-girardi
Staal-erixon
Stralman-mdz
Bickel
- volcom955

I would switch Hagelin and Krider. Hagelin has shown chemistry with Richards and Krider has with Step.

You forgot AA in your semin linup?
- volcom955

You're right. Makes for an even stronger lineup, but more likely, they could use forward assets to acquire another defensemen.

idk i mean theres always a chance but he'll be jumping around the 1st and 2nd line and if the rumors are true that detroit and pitt and nj are offering him 1st line minutes playing with datsyuk/crosby/malkin/kovy then it'll be hard to convince him to join without overpaying him.

on top of that, i see some teams like the islanders potentially offering 8+ mil a season for him.

and also, he's most likely looking for a long term deal and i doubt the rangers will want to give him more than a year or 2.

i would looooooooooove to add semin because he's exactly what this team needs but it'll be an uphill battle to get him here.
- rangerdanger94

Is he really getting that many offers, I though people were saying he hasn't signed yet is because no one wants him for the price he's asking. I think he'll lower his demands soon and he'll get signed.

I would switch Hagelin and Krider. Hagelin has shown chemistry with Richards and Krider has with Step.
- hockeypunk36

A couple of the big goals in the playoffs were scored with Richards and Kreider on the ice together. They looked good together out there.

A couple of the big goals in the playoffs were scored with Richards and Kreider on the ice together. They looked good together out there.
- NYRPowerPlay

Maybe everyone looks good with Richards lol.

Maybe everyone looks good with Richards lol.
- hockeypunk36

Especially in that nude pic.

But again, why would Semin take a 1 or 2 year deal to come here? With the uncertainty of the next CBA, he's almost certainly going to try to get the long, expensive contract now.

Especially in that nude pic.

But again, why would Semin take a 1 or 2 year deal to come here? With the uncertainty of the next CBA, he's almost certainly going to try to get the long, expensive contract now.
- TheMessiah94

key word try.he can try all he wants,but he wont get it.if he signs in the NHL it will be a one year deal only

On snyrangersblog.com it says rumor has it an eastern conference team offered Doan a 4 yr deal worth over 30 mil... I'd love to have Doan but thats a steep price!

On snyrangersblog.com it says rumor has it an eastern conference team offered Doan a 4 yr deal worth over 30 mil... I'd love to have Doan but thats a steep price!
- pcjr307

Its probably the Pens.