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jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:07 PM ET
Florida Panthers Executive VP & General Manager Dale Tallon announced today that the club has acquired C Casey Wellman from the New York Rangers in exchange for Florida’s fifth round selection in the 2014 National Hockey League Entry Draft.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:08 PM ET
Florida Panthers Executive VP & General Manager Dale Tallon announced today that the club has acquired C Casey Wellman from the New York Rangers in exchange for Florida’s fifth round selection in the 2014 National Hockey League Entry Draft.
- jimbro83


Everytime I see one of these minor deals between teams, I wonder whether they were talking about something bigger.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:09 PM ET
Florida Panthers Executive VP & General Manager Dale Tallon announced today that the club has acquired C Casey Wellman from the New York Rangers in exchange for Florida’s fifth round selection in the 2014 National Hockey League Entry Draft.
- jimbro83

meh. what is with the panthers giving away their lower round picks to us.
Henrik's Crease
New York Rangers
Location: Trusting Sather with cap space, NY
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 20 @ 3:09 PM ET
Pete,that scenario makes us an unbelievably dynamic team but it would be cap hell over the next few years with virtually half our team coming off the books. Hopefully the cap doesn't go down.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 20 @ 3:09 PM ET
gives a powerplay quaterback that is familiar with Torts and his system. I'm not in love with bickel being a regular in the top 6.

i would like

mcd girardi
staal boyle
mdz stralman
bickel

then you could put boyle on the point on the 1st unit and have mdz and stralman on the 2nd unit.

- tomburton99

could work but i think trading erixon would be a huge mistake. he's gonna be a stud and boyle is on the decline and won't be around in 2-3 years.

mcd - girardi
staal - mdz
erixon - sauer
stralman

for all we know, sauer could potentially be ready to play at the end of the summer. if not, then i expect that he should be back around the trade deadline.
evitageN
New York Rangers
Location: Do you smell what The Rock is cooking?
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 20 @ 3:12 PM ET
Pete,that scenario makes us an unbelievably dynamic team but it would be cap hell over the next few years with virtually half our team coming off the books. Hopefully the cap doesn't go down.
- Henrik's Crease


Dunno I think that's the best lineup I've seen...

Doan on the third line just shows the true depth we'd have.

Sign me the (frank) up! Pete V for GM!
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:14 PM ET
Everytime I see one of these minor deals between teams, I wonder whether they were talking about something bigger.
- Pete V


what this means is we needed to trade a contract away because we will be adding another one soon.

tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:19 PM ET
what this means is we needed to trade a contract away because we will be adding another one soon.


- jimbro83

doan.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:24 PM ET
Pete,that scenario makes us an unbelievably dynamic team but it would be cap hell over the next few years with virtually half our team coming off the books. Hopefully the cap doesn't go down.
- Henrik's Crease


No doubt, the summer of 2014 would be a very tough one for the Rangers. It would be probable that they would lose a player or two to Unrestricted Free Agency that they would want to keep. But, that's two years away, I think that the Rangers could manage their cap until then, and the idea of taking a two year shot with a stacked roster is intriguing to me. Not to mention, if the Rangers have to lose let's say Gaborik in the Summer of 2014, so be it. It happens to everyteam at some point.
cranford93
New York Rangers
Location: "For Whatever Reason"
Joined: 04.30.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:25 PM ET
what this means is we needed to trade a contract away because we will be adding another one soon.


- jimbro83

A 2way contract?, I thought he was a good depth player, I hope you're right though.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:30 PM ET
In one of my first posts, I said sign Doan, trade Dubinsky for Fisher, and then trade Stepan, Erixon and a 1st for Nash. Most have said that they would do the first two deals, but not the last.

Hence, the last post. I have a hard time believing that anybody wouldn't love to bring in Nash, Fisher and Doan, at the price of Dubinsky, Stepan, Erixon and 1st being on the outgoing train.

- Pete V

pretty sure Columbus can get a better offer for Nash than that.

and what makes you think you'll get Fisher for Dubie? His value has plummeted over the last year or so
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:32 PM ET
A 2way contract?, I thought he was a good depth player, I hope you're right though.
- cranford93


I think there is a rule about having 50 total contracts including AHL

something like that
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:35 PM ET
pretty sure Columbus can get a better offer for Nash than that.

and what makes you think you'll get Fisher for Dubie? His value has plummeted over the last year or so

- Crimsoninja


Mike Fisher is 32 years old and is a career 40-50 point player, who is a UFA next summer. Brandon Dubinsky is in his mid-20s, is tied in for three more years, and is only one year removed from being the top scorer on the Rangers. He had a terrible year, but Fisher ain't Wayne Gretzky either, which is why there is a serious question as to whether he would be an adequate short term replacement for Stepan. I think Dubinsky for Fisher makes a lot of sense (if the Rangers intended to move Stepan).

I do think your right that Stepan, Erixon and a 1st woudn't be enough for Nash. Would probably take another piece. Which, IMO, makes it even more curious that some wouldn't even do that deal for Nash.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:41 PM ET
pretty sure Columbus can get a better offer for Nash than that.

and what makes you think you'll get Fisher for Dubie? His value has plummeted over the last year or so

- Crimsoninja

they did and nash nixed it.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:44 PM ET
they did and nash nixed it.
- tomburton99

huh?
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:46 PM ET
huh?
- Crimsoninja

in terms of the jakcets getting a better deal for nash. Sens offered a 1st, zibanejad, lehner and another prospect. Nash said he wouldn't waive his nmc to go to ottawa.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:48 PM ET
in terms of the jakcets getting a better deal for nash. Sens offered a 1st, zibanejad, lehner and another prospect. Nash said he wouldn't waive his nmc to go to ottawa.
- tomburton99

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NYRPowerPlay
New York Rangers
Location: Rick Nash to NYR? Ill take it, NY
Joined: 02.11.2012

Jul 20 @ 3:51 PM ET
The reason why I am targeting Fisher is that he has one year left until he becomes an UFA, he doesn't have a no trade clause, and given Nashville's possible desire to rebuild and his UFA status, he might be able to be had. Not to mention, it is clear that the Rangers and Predators have been talking alot, first at the draft with the couple of draft pick deals that they made, and now with Fisher.
- Pete V


Fisher does not want out of Nashville, he went there to be with his family. He has a limited NTC, but he will not want to be traded.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:56 PM ET
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- Crimsoninja

that's it? i thought you would a better rebuttle than that.
NYRPowerPlay
New York Rangers
Location: Rick Nash to NYR? Ill take it, NY
Joined: 02.11.2012

Jul 20 @ 3:56 PM ET
in terms of the jakcets getting a better deal for nash. Sens offered a 1st, zibanejad, lehner and another prospect. Nash said he wouldn't waive his nmc to go to ottawa.
- tomburton99


I think Butler was the other player in the deal.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:57 PM ET
I think Butler was the other player in the deal.
- NYRPowerPlay

you're probably right.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:57 PM ET
that's it? i thought you would a better rebuttle than that.
- tomburton99

well it really had nothing to do with my point that the offer Pete mentioned from the rangers sucks
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 20 @ 4:03 PM ET
In one of my first posts, I said sign Doan, trade Dubinsky for Fisher, and then trade Stepan, Erixon and a 1st for Nash. Most have said that they would do the first two deals, but not the last.

Hence, the last post. I have a hard time believing that anybody wouldn't love to bring in Nash, Fisher and Doan, at the price of Dubinsky, Stepan, Erixon and 1st being on the outgoing train.

- Pete V


I think Stepan has a extremely high ceiling. That is why I would not include him in any trades. I see him being our #1C in a few years. Thats just me.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 20 @ 4:06 PM ET
I think Stepan has a extremely high ceiling. That is why I would not include him in any trades. I see him being our #1C in a few years. Thats just me.
- mrhattrick27

60pt player
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:07 PM ET
60pt player
- Crimsoninja


I say 70 depending on who hes playing with.
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