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evitageN
New York Rangers
Location: Do you smell what The Rock is cooking?
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 20 @ 2:15 PM ET
Let's get it done, cmon Shane! But 4 years at over 30 mill like its been reported he has an offer from would have to beat? That's a lot of dough yo. Could that be right?
- B2B76


Yeah I caught Serpico

Same director for Serpico and Dog Day Afternoon...

Is it weird if I say one of my least favorite Pacino roles is as Michael Corleone? Prefer him in other roles...

Also that director (Sidney Lumet) directed the great 12 Angry Men.
evitageN
New York Rangers
Location: Do you smell what The Rock is cooking?
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 20 @ 2:15 PM ET
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Gomez's hole in one fetched him a $50k car, but his lone 1 @NHL goal in a full year gets him $7.5M !
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 20 @ 2:19 PM ET
Sign Doan.

Trade Dubinsky to Nashville for Mike Fischer.

Trade Derek Stepan, Tim Erixon and 1st rounder for Nash.

Call it a summer.

- Pete V


Agree with others, give me the first 2. I think the above is a total revamp where that isnt necessary.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 2:32 PM ET
Agree with others, give me the first 2. I think the above is a total revamp where that isnt necessary.
- mrhattrick27


If you keep Stepan the Fischer deal would be redundant, as the Rangers wouldn't need another center. The proposed Fisher deal would provide a means to being able to trade Stepan, if that really is the price for Nash.

The below seems like a real great lineup to me. Again, I don't want to trade Stepan. He is one of my favorite players on the team. But, if Nash is going to end up here, it is going to take trading a very solid player -- not just a bunch of o.k. players and prospects.

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Fisher-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Doan
Anisimov-Rupp-Halpern/Asham

rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 20 @ 2:39 PM ET
If you keep Stepan the Fischer deal would be redundant, as the Rangers wouldn't need another center. The proposed Fisher deal would provide a means to being able to trade Stepan, if that really is the price for Nash.

The below seems like a real great lineup to me. Again, I don't want to trade Stepan. He is one of my favorite players on the team. But, if Nash is going to end up here, it is going to take trading a very solid player -- not just a bunch of o.k. players and prospects.

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Fisher-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Doan
Anisimov-Rupp-Halpern/Asham

- Pete V

switch anisimov and boyle imo
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 2:39 PM ET
I'll be okay with just signing Doan and trading for Fischer
- hockeypunk36

this.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 2:40 PM ET
If you keep Stepan the Fischer deal would be redundant, as the Rangers wouldn't need another center. The proposed Fisher deal would provide a means to being able to trade Stepan, if that really is the price for Nash.

The below seems like a real great lineup to me. Again, I don't want to trade Stepan. He is one of my favorite players on the team. But, if Nash is going to end up here, it is going to take trading a very solid player -- not just a bunch of o.k. players and prospects.

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Fisher-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Doan
Anisimov-Rupp-Halpern/Asham

- Pete V

what's the point of signing doan to have him play on the 3rd line. better off just keeping pyatt at that spot.
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Jul 20 @ 2:42 PM ET
If you keep Stepan the Fischer deal would be redundant, as the Rangers wouldn't need another center. The proposed Fisher deal would provide a means to being able to trade Stepan, if that really is the price for Nash.

The below seems like a real great lineup to me. Again, I don't want to trade Stepan. He is one of my favorite players on the team. But, if Nash is going to end up here, it is going to take trading a very solid player -- not just a bunch of o.k. players and prospects.

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Fisher-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Doan
Anisimov-Rupp-Halpern/Asham

- Pete V

I don't think Fisher would like to leave Nashville given who is wife is and her obvious ties to the locale. I would be on board with a Dubinsky for Dan Boyle trade though and the Doan signing of course.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 2:43 PM ET
this.
- tomburton99


Honestly, guys, if you could sign Doan, trade Dubinsky for Fisher, you are telling me that you wouldn't trade Stepan for Nash.

Those deals together would mean that you are trading from last year's roster, Stepan and Dubinsky for Fisher, Nash and Doan. I mean seriously? Does Erixon and the 1st mean so much that you wouldn't trade Stepan for Nash straight up from a roster perspective? Does not that deal give you a better chance of winning?

I think we fall in love with our own players a little too much sometimes. Stepan is an very good young player, but Rick Nash is a first line impact type player.
hockeypunk36
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 06.16.2010

Jul 20 @ 2:44 PM ET
If you keep Stepan the Fischer deal would be redundant, as the Rangers wouldn't need another center. The proposed Fisher deal would provide a means to being able to trade Stepan, if that really is the price for Nash.

The below seems like a real great lineup to me. Again, I don't want to trade Stepan. He is one of my favorite players on the team. But, if Nash is going to end up here, it is going to take trading a very solid player -- not just a bunch of o.k. players and prospects.

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Fisher-Callahan
Hagelin-Boyle-Doan
Anisimov-Rupp-Halpern/Asham

- Pete V

Then I'll be okay with just Doan, I think that might be too much of a change for a team that made it to the ECF
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 2:44 PM ET
what's the point of signing doan to have him play on the 3rd line. better off just keeping pyatt at that spot.
- tomburton99


I totally forget about Pyatt. And to be honest, with the way Torts uses his lines, I don't think there is much of a difference between the time the second and third line gets anyway.
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Jul 20 @ 2:46 PM ET
I totally forget about Pyatt. And to be honest, with the way Torts uses his lines, I don't think there is much of a difference between the time the second and third line gets anyway.
- Pete V

Agree. Whichever line, second or third, is playing better in any given game is going to see the ice more. Plus Doan will see time on the PP i presume should he sign here. He'll get his ice time, no doubt.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 2:49 PM ET
I don't think Fisher would like to leave Nashville given who is wife is and her obvious ties to the locale. I would be on board with a Dubinsky for Dan Boyle trade though and the Doan signing of course.
- gkmkiller


I would be onboard with that as well, but what, in addition to Dubinsky, would be required to get Dan Boyle?
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Jul 20 @ 2:50 PM ET
I totally forget about Pyatt. And to be honest, with the way Torts uses his lines, I don't think there is much of a difference between the time the second and third line gets anyway.
- Pete V



If this all plays out the way most of us want, Pyatt would be on the fourth line with Halpern and Asham.

Team would be loaded upfront, with the rock of the franchise in his prime(Lundqvist) and a defense that will only get better with experience, making these moves at forward would make them the odds on favorite to win it all next season.

By all means, this might all be just a pipe dream but the potential is there to make it happen.

C'mon Sather...show us you still got your fastball.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Jul 20 @ 2:52 PM ET
Then I'll be okay with just Doan, I think that might be too much of a change for a team that made it to the ECF
- hockeypunk36



Some changes were needed though, in my opinion.

If they can hold onto Stepan, I would prefer to see that. But bringing in Nash and Doan would go a really long way into seriously separating this team from the rest of the better Eastern Conference teams.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 2:55 PM ET
I would be onboard with that as well, but what, in addition to Dubinsky, would be required to get Dan Boyle?
- Pete V

that i would do. dubi and erixon for boyle.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 2:57 PM ET
that i would do. dubi and erixon for boyle.
- tomburton99


Tom, again, you wouldn't do this, hypothetically, of course:

Coming in: Doan, Nash, Fisher

Going out: Dubinsky, Stepan, Erixon and 1st.

Can you honestly tell me that doesn't make the Rangers a better team?


rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 20 @ 2:58 PM ET
Tom, again, you wouldn't do this, hypothetically, of course:

Coming in: Doan, Nash, Fisher

Going out: Dubinsky, Stepan, Erixon and 1st.

Can you honestly tell me that doesn't make the Rangers a better team?

- Pete V

i think you'd need to target someone else besides fisher.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 20 @ 2:59 PM ET
Tom, again, you wouldn't do this, hypothetically, of course:

Coming in: Doan, Nash, Fisher

Going out: Dubinsky, Stepan, Erixon and 1st.

Can you honestly tell me that doesn't make the Rangers a better team?

- Pete V

how do you come up with Nash and Fisher for that?
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:00 PM ET
that i would do. dubi and erixon for boyle.
- tomburton99



Hell no on Dan Boyle...hell friggen no
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:01 PM ET
i think you'd need to target someone else besides fisher.
- rangerdanger94


The reason why I am targeting Fisher is that he has one year left until he becomes an UFA, he doesn't have a no trade clause, and given Nashville's possible desire to rebuild and his UFA status, he might be able to be had. Not to mention, it is clear that the Rangers and Predators have been talking alot, first at the draft with the couple of draft pick deals that they made, and now with Fisher.

If the Rangers really want Nash, and Stepan really has to do to make that happen, give me a better candidate that the Rangers could pursue to temporarily fill the void at the second line center position.

But, I am all for looking at other names. I just think Fisher would be a good short term fix, and could quite possibly be on the block if the Preds continue to implode.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:04 PM ET
Tom, again, you wouldn't do this, hypothetically, of course:

Coming in: Doan, Nash, Fisher

Going out: Dubinsky, Stepan, Erixon and 1st.

Can you honestly tell me that doesn't make the Rangers a better team?

- Pete V

If gives them great depth on the wing. And it gives them 2 more guys that could 25 goals(Doan) and 40 goals(Nash). I am not in love with the idea of Fisher replacing Stepan. idk i have to think about it.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:04 PM ET
how do you come up with Nash and Fisher for that?
- Crimsoninja


In one of my first posts, I said sign Doan, trade Dubinsky for Fisher, and then trade Stepan, Erixon and a 1st for Nash. Most have said that they would do the first two deals, but not the last.

Hence, the last post. I have a hard time believing that anybody wouldn't love to bring in Nash, Fisher and Doan, at the price of Dubinsky, Stepan, Erixon and 1st being on the outgoing train.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 20 @ 3:04 PM ET
Unsure if you guys saw this from Pat Leonard but pretty good summary of why those of who watch, blog or write about hockey are united as one big family. Truly tragic.

http://www.nydailynews.co...rs-game-article-1.1118628
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 3:06 PM ET
Hell no on Dan Boyle...hell friggen no
- MidnightMarauder

gives a powerplay quaterback that is familiar with Torts and his system. I'm not in love with bickel being a regular in the top 6.

i would like

mcd girardi
staal boyle
mdz stralman
bickel

then you could put boyle on the point on the 1st unit and have mdz and stralman on the 2nd unit.
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