Lets play the game of...."What would the reaction be if the Rangers did this?"
- B2B76

exactly

the hypocracy going on in here is hilarious

With the UFA market being weak on defense, and with teams asking for bounties in trades, I wonder whether this is the year where we begin to see the signing of more offer sheets.

Sather has done a great job of using leverage and time with his RFAs to get them signed to reasonable deals, but I sure as hell hope that Del Zotto doesn't sign a 5 year/$27.5 million dollar offer sheet with someone.

exactly

the hypocracy going on in here is hilarious
- Crimsoninja

I don't believe Jim Dolan is on the NHL negotiating committee demanding NHL contracts be no more than 5 years.

it's all spelled out very neatly in in a nice readable box in this article:

http://thehockeyguys.net/...-110-million-offer-sheet/
- jimbro83

I can see that scenario playing out with Philly sending players back to Nashville for the return of some of those compensatory picks but I still have to imagine Poile is a little perturbed right now. He was devastated when Suter fled and now this. If Holmgren was concerned with maintaining a good relationship with Poile he would have focused on making a trade sans offer sheet. Obviously he was worried a team like the Rangers or another Eastern Conference club would sneak in and get him first so he acted now. Still, I can't imagine Poile is real happy with Holmgren at this point.

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Philly will get away with it for two reasons Devils didn't. The annual salary in the last three years is 50% what it is the first 3 or 4 years ($1 million last few, $2 million first few). The rest of the compensation the first years is in the form of the signing bonus which is how teams are skirting the rules again. If I recall Kovy's deal paid him like $500,000 the last several versus much bigger salaries in the first years.

The other reason Philly is in compliance is because it only takes Weber through age 40 and not 44. We may not like it but those are the added criteria the league put on and Philly met them.
- gkmkiller

I used the wrong deal. But the first deal took him until he was 42. The first deal was a lot worse, but it seems like the new idea is that if the last few years are 1 million then it makes the deal okay. Weber's deal is still heavily front-loaded, whichever way you look at it. I don't even care about getting penalized, that was a result of submitting the second contract. I am just talking about the fact that the contract was null and void.

Just seems like if you have a higher cap hit and you put more money, albeit 500k difference, it makes it a different scenario.

exactly

the hypocracy going on in here is hilarious
- Crimsoninja

For whatever its worth, Crims, I thought that was genius move by Holmgren. If the Preds don't match, you get Shea Weber (and likely lose 4 picks between 20-30 over the next four years). If the Preds do match, they he can't get traded to the Rangers or another rival. That is damn good job of GMing, IMO.

I can see that scenario playing out with Philly sending players back to Nashville for the return of some of those compensatory picks but I still have to imagine Poile is a little perturbed right now. He was devastated when Suter fled and now this. If Holmgren was concerned with maintaining a good relationship with Poile he would have focused on making a trade sans offer sheet. Obviously he was worried a team like the Rangers or another Eastern Conference club would sneak in and get him first so he acted now. Still, I can't imagine Poile is real happy with Holmgren at this point.
- gkmkiller

according to dreger Holmgren and other GMs were focused on making it a trade... but "several deadlines passed" and they were tired of waiting so they finally just forced Poile's hand.

I used the wrong deal. But the first deal took him until he was 42. The first deal was a lot worse, but it seems like the new idea is that if the last few years are 1 million then it makes the deal okay. Weber's deal is still heavily front-loaded, whichever way you look at it. I don't even care about getting penalized, that was a result of submitting the second contract. I am just talking about the fact that the contract was null and void.

Just seems like if you have a higher cap hit and you put more money, albeit 500k difference, it makes it a different scenario.
- _Zippy_

no, it was 44

For whatever its worth, Crims, I thought that was genius move by Holmgren. If the Preds don't match, you get Shea Weber (and likely lose 4 picks between 20-30 over the next four years). If the Preds do match, they he can't get traded to the Rangers or another rival. That is damn good job of GMing, IMO.
- Pete V

Thanks for your honesty, Pete.

is it kind of a d1ck move? sure
but i have no problem with teams doing whatever it takes to win. Not too worried about maintaining friendly relationships.

I don't believe Jim Dolan is on the NHL negotiating committee demanding NHL contracts be no more than 5 years.
- jimbro83

On the committee? He can't stand the sight of the little shyt!! Not that Dolan is a prize ethier.

I can see that scenario playing out with Philly sending players back to Nashville for the return of some of those compensatory picks but I still have to imagine Poile is a little perturbed right now. He was devastated when Suter fled and now this. If Holmgren was concerned with maintaining a good relationship with Poile he would have focused on making a trade sans offer sheet. Obviously he was worried a team like the Rangers or another Eastern Conference club would sneak in and get him first so he acted now. Still, I can't imagine Poile is real happy with Holmgren at this point.
- gkmkiller

Predators and Philly would've already had a deal done by now if they were going to trade. However, Philly looks at it and says, I give you four first round picks that is 20-30. What's more valuable, your asking price or the first round picks, obviously, the asking price was a ton more. It would've probably taken like Read, Voracek, Coburn/Meszaros and a couple firsts for the Predators to trade him, and is that totally worth it when you can handcuffing them into taking useless picks.

On the committee? He can't stand the sight of the little shyt!! Not that Dolan is a prize ethier.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

Isn't Snyder and Minnesota's owner on the table as well.

Thanks for your honesty, Pete.

is it kind of a d1ck move? sure
but i have no problem with teams doing whatever it takes to win. Not too worried about maintaining friendly relationships.
- Crimsoninja

as long as Ed Snider can get back to demanding no NHL contracts are allowed to be longer than 5 years come mid September I guess all is OK.

Isn't Snyder and Minnesota's owner on the table as well.
- _Zippy_

they both are, yep.

That's hypocrisy like none other.

as long as Ed Snider can get back to demanding no NHL contracts are allowed to be longer than 5 years come mid September I guess all is OK.
- jimbro83

im sure you'd be super pissed at Slats for making such AN EVIL move to try to improve his team

they both are, yep.

That's hypocrisy like none other.
- jimbro83

Well, at the same time, all they care about is winning. They both want to get these deals done before they are taken out and rightfully so. If the NHLPA was smart, they would be like screw you, you want to keep authorizing these contracts we're not going to get rid of them, but that would lead to a lockout.

im sure you'd be super pissed at Slats for making such AN EVIL move to try to improve his team
- Crimsoninja

I have always maintained that an offer sheet to a franchise player is a complete waste of time, because the team will always match.

However, in my wildest nightmare I never expected to see a contract as nasty as this one.

Well, at the same time, all they care about is winning. They both want to get these deals done before they are taken out and rightfully so. If the NHLPA was smart, they would be like screw you, you want to keep authorizing these contracts we're not going to get rid of them, but that would lead to a lockout.
- _Zippy_

seriously, how do the other NHL owners even have the ability to give Snider and Leipold eye contact at the meetings right now.

They are going to devise some screw you plan like if the actual salary in a long term deal (5+ years) is over 125% of the cap hit, then the actual salary counts as the cap hit.

Then teams like NJ, Nashville are going to have 14 million dollar and 11.8 million dollar cap hits, and it'll really make teams hesitant to do such a deal.

So after the Preds match, does Shea Weber get to complain about the fact that the team may not be able to afford to bring in talent for the next couple of years because of the 80 gazillion dollars they need to pay him?

They are going to devise some screw you plan like if the actual salary in a long term deal (5+ years) is over 125% of the cap hit, then the actual salary counts as the cap hit.

Then teams like NJ, Nashville are going to have 14 million dollar and 11.8 million dollar cap hits, and it'll really make teams hesitant to do such a deal.
- _Zippy_

they are going to grandfather these contracts in the way they are in the next CBA, no doubt about that

seriously, how do the other NHL owners even have the ability to give Snider and Leipold eye contact at the meetings right now.
- jimbro83

Must be an awkward moment for Snider to walk into the next room. It basically takes all their leverage against these contracts and wipes it away. Two guys on the board just recently signed a deal like that.

Lamoriello I believe was part of the last lockout, but he was totally against Kovalchuk's contract, you could see during his interviews he was trying to say he didn't like the deals without saying they were circumvention and trying to push the blame onto Vanderbeek.

they are going to grandfather these contracts in the way they are in the next CBA, no doubt about that
- jimbro83

Can't wait to see what they come up with, not too happy being a Devils fan, but imagine that they do that and cut back the cap.

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