The Flyers will completely ruin their team for years to come. Did you see the breakdown of this deal? 26 million for the first year, 14 million per for the next four seasons?
- MidnightMarauder

it's all spelled out very neatly in in a nice readable box in this article:

http://thehockeyguys.net/...-110-million-offer-sheet/

I'm going to take a look at the long-term cap implications too. A lot of money in Bryz and Weber should he end up in Philly.

Never said it wouldn't have cost a bunch to get him but I would have loved Weber on this team.
- gkmkiller

We were in on Weber...he was at our practice facilities earlier this week- my coworker's roommate works for the rangers and saw him there getting a tour of the facilities.

it does seem like the Flyers shouldn't get Weber and be stripped of the next 4 first rounders anyway for doing a contract like this.
- jimbro83

Lets play the game of...."What would the reaction be if the Rangers did this?"

Lets play the game of...."What would the reaction be if the Rangers did this?"
- B2B76

right off the bat I imagine that Congress would get involved, Obama would be briefed and Jeter would be subpoenaed....

I have a bit of different opinion on this. I have no problem with what Holmgren did. There is a set off rules in place, and I think that a GM would almost not being doing his job if he didn't maximize the current rules to benefit his club. Holmgren is extremely aggressive in trying to improve his team, and whether he makes a good deal or a bad one, you know he is always in the game.

I would much prefer a guy like Holmgren that is going to aggressively push the boundaries of the rules, rather than someone like Burke that hamstring himself by refusing to give out frontloaded contracts.

I have a bit of opinion on this. I have no problem with what Holmgren did. There is a set off rules in place, and I think that a GM would almost not being doing his job if he didn't maximize the current rules to benefit his club. Holmgren is extremely aggressive in trying to improve his team, and whether he makes a good deal or a bad one, you know he is always in the game.

I would much prefer a guy like Holmgren that is going to aggressively push the boundaries of the rules, rather than someone like Burke that refuses to hamstring himself by refusing to give out frontloaded contracts.
- Pete V

my only problem is Ed Snider being on the NHL owner negotiating committee that's demanding NHL contracts be no more than 5 years because the teams can't afford them.

my only problem is Ed Snider being on the NHL owner negotiating committee that's demanding NHL contracts be no more than 5 years because the teams can't afford them.
- jimbro83

I agree with you on that.

right off the bat I imagine that Congress would get involved, Obama would be briefed and Jeter would be subpoenaed....
- jimbro83

Its all Jeter's fault, every bit of it Jimmy.

my only problem is Ed Snider being on the NHL owner negotiating committee that's demanding NHL contracts be no more than 5 years because the teams can't afford them.
- jimbro83

Snider's a douche, he proved that at the Winter Classic, outraged the Rangers dared to show up & spoil "his" party.

Nashville, Tenn. (July 19, 2012) – Nashville Predators President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile issued the following statement this morning:

"We are in receipt of the offer sheet signed between the Philadelphia Flyers and Shea Weber. Under the rules pertaining to an offer sheet, the Predators have one week to decide whether to match or accept the compensation. We have stated previously that, should a team enter into an offer sheet with Shea, our intention would be to match and retain Shea. Our ownership has provided us with the necessary resources to build a Stanley Cup-winning team. Due to the complexity of the offer sheet, we will take the appropriate time to review and evaluate it and all of its ramifications in order to make the best decision for the Predators in both the short and long-term.

“We do not anticipate any further comments on this situation until we make our decision within the next seven days.”

@jessespector: #Preds GM David Poile statement: "Due to the complexity of the offer sheet, we will take the appropriate time... to make the best decision."

he's not saying the don't intend to match but still that a little unnerving.

@jessespector: #Preds GM David Poile statement: "Due to the complexity of the offer sheet, we will take the appropriate time... to make the best decision."

he's not saying the don't intend to match but still that a little unnerving.
- tomburton99

Its all those ridiculous bonuses, Holmgren definitely purposefully structured the contract that way to leave a bad taste in Poille's mouth and to be as much of a financial burden as possible on Nashville.

@jessespector: #Preds GM David Poile statement: "Due to the complexity of the offer sheet, we will take the appropriate time... to make the best decision."

he's not saying the don't intend to match but still that a little unnerving.
- tomburton99

to me, I read this as, we always said we would match anything, but this threw us for a loop and we gotta talk it over....

to me, I read this as, we always said we would match anything, but this threw us for a loop and we gotta talk it over....
- jimbro83

And take the 7 days to the max, sticking a middle finger up Philly's arse when they match & Philly can do nothing else for the next week.

Its all those ridiculous bonuses, Holmgren definitely purposefully structured the contract that way to leave a bad taste in Poille's mouth and to be as much of a financial burden as possible on Nashville.
- NYRPowerPlay

The point of structuring the offer sheet is to have something the other team can't or won't match. Otherwise what's the point of the negotiation.

I didn't see a correction since the post that asked it, so I'll say, no, the preds cannot trade Weber's rights now. By the end of 7 days he will either be a Flyer or a Pred under the terms of this contract. The one thing the Preds can (and probably would need to do to get to the floor and have a defenseman or two) is, after not matching, trade back one or more of the picks sent to them as compensation to the Flyers for NHL bodies.

And take the 7 days to the max, sticking a middle finger up Philly's arse when they match & Philly can do nothing else for the next week.
- B2B76

it would be great if someone signed Voracek to an offer sheet this week.

And take the 7 days to the max, sticking a middle finger up Philly's arse when they match & Philly can do nothing else for the next week.
- B2B76

So what? It's not like there's a comparable player out there. If they stand pat I'm fine with it, if they get Weber so much the better. I'd prefer they not tradeback players for the #1s if Nash doesn't match unless they need to unload salary to stay under the summer cap.

The point of structuring the offer sheet is to have something the other team can't or won't match. Otherwise what's the point of the negotiation.
- bodiva88

This signing bonus nonsense needs to go... there is ABSOLUTELY no reason for a player to get a signing bonus 7 years into a contract.

This signing bonus nonsense needs to go... there is ABSOLUTELY no reason for a player to get a signing bonus 7 years into a contract.
- NYRPowerPlay

You're just annoyed Sather didn't think of it.

You're just annoyed Sather didn't think of it.
- bodiva88

Not at all. Contracts like that are going to ruin the NHL going forward.

Not at all. Contracts like that are going to ruin the NHL going forward.
- NYRPowerPlay

Maybe this is just a helpful little nudge in the current negotiations.

Its all those ridiculous bonuses, Holmgren definitely purposefully structured the contract that way to leave a bad taste in Poille's mouth and to be as much of a financial burden as possible on Nashville.
- NYRPowerPlay

It's the only way they could do it and make Nashville at least give pause to matching. If it had been straight up without the up front dough Nashville would be sending a thank you card to Holmgren right now because he would have removed the need for potentially contentios negotiations.

This signing bonus nonsense needs to go... there is ABSOLUTELY no reason for a player to get a signing bonus 7 years into a contract.
- NYRPowerPlay

Weber is getting paid 80 million in the first six years, and 30 million in the last 8....

Then again Kovalchuk is getting paid 67 million over six years and 33 million over the other nine years.

Which one do you think is worse now?

The bright side, is that these contracts aren't going to be around by next CBA, but the poopty side is why the hell are the Devils the only ones penalized, seems like they caught the league when the league when they were extremely pissed and now they are just like "(frank) it".

Weber is getting paid 80 million in the first six years, and 30 million in the last 8....

Then again Kovalchuk is getting paid 67 million over six years and 33 million over the other nine years.

Which one do you think is worse now?

The bright side, is that these contracts aren't going to be around by next CBA, but the poopty side is why the hell are the Devils the only ones penalized, seems like they caught the league when the league when they were extremely pissed and now they are just like "(frank) it".
- _Zippy_

the problem with the Kovalchuk deal was that it was originally the last 5 years of his deal at 550K, until he was age 44.

http://sports.espn.go.com...nhl/news/story?id=5397588

Weber is getting paid 80 million in the first six years, and 30 million in the last 8....

Then again Kovalchuk is getting paid 67 million over six years and 33 million over the other nine years.

Which one do you think is worse now?

The bright side, is that these contracts aren't going to be around by next CBA, but the poopty side is why the hell are the Devils the only ones penalized, seems like they caught the league when the league when they were extremely pissed and now they are just like "(frank) it".
- _Zippy_

Philly will get away with it for two reasons Devils didn't. The annual salary in the last three years is 50% what it is the first 3 or 4 years ($1 million last few, $2 million first few). The rest of the compensation the first years is in the form of the signing bonus which is how teams are skirting the rules again. If I recall Kovy's deal paid him like $500,000 the last several versus much bigger salaries in the first years.

The other reason Philly is in compliance is because it only takes Weber through age 40 and not 44. We may not like it but those are the added criteria the league put on and Philly met them.