Yes, I'm sure it's all hearsay and rumors started by agents and reporters using disinformation tactics. You know how sports beat writers like to make up bold face lies for their respective news papers/media outlets and then allow them to circulate in print and throughout the internet!

But because YOU are saying no one offered more than the Wild, I'm guessing YOUR info HAS to be the most credible. Wow, must be nice to ALWAYS be right...
- MnGump

Did you not read what I wrote? The source that put out the 110 million number corrected themselves publicly, which I linked for you. That's not me claiming anything. That's you reading things online and not bothering to spend 5 minutes with google to find out where they are coming from. Russo didn't lie. He openly said it was reported by someone else, as did just about everyone. The person it was reported by said they were wrong. How is that hard for you to grasp?

I'm sure they wouldn't have been "overpaid" had they landed on the Rangers, Pittsburgh or Philly though right????

Let's face it, all athletes are overpaid, but any other team with the cap space would have paid the same or more to land both these guys. But of course because they chose a fairly nondescript team like the Wild, they're overpaid and apparently not worth half of what any other team would have surely paid them.

Don't worry, I would have been jealous too had they not chosen the Wild...
- MnGump

Thank god they didn't land on any of those teams. I didn't want the pens or rags to get them. If Philly signed them then they would have to overpay and screw the cap for keeping other players I want to see stay. Having Parise go to the west weakens the devils and that is great for all three of those other teams in the atlantic. I just don't think we needed a wing that badly, and Suter is overrated. He is more Rafalski than Lidstrom. As a Flyers fan, I could not be more happy in the way both those signings turned out.

I think any one who signed those players would overpay. They got 7.5 a year. They are both worth about 6-6.5. For the wild, that extra 1-1.5 is nothing because they don't spend to the cap. The atlantic teams you mention typically do, and there for have to compromise other players for them to be signed. Does that mean they have any less value? No, its just costing Minne a little more to get it. If I were Paul Holmgren, I would only break up my youngsters for a dman like Weber. They are much harder to find than Suter.

Did you not read what I wrote? The source that put out the 110 million number corrected themselves publicly, which I linked for you. That's not me claiming anything. That's you reading things online and not bothering to spend 5 minutes with google to find out where they are coming from. Russo didn't lie. He openly said it was reported by someone else, as did just about everyone. The person it was reported by said they were wrong. How is that hard for you to grasp?
- Antilles

Yes, I read it. The only problem is, you have no idea what other teams may have offered. Only what was reported whether it was false or not. There were supposedly 20+ teams that made offers. So to say the Wild were the only team to make offers that high is unfounded. Even if Philly didn't offer 110, we still don't know exactly what they DID other than it was rumored between 80 and 110. But I'm guessing there were teams that offered as much if not more individually to each player than the Wild did. Anything over 7 mill for either was over paying and pretty much every team offered more than 7 to one or both.

The bottom line is you can't sit there and say the Wild were the highest bidding team with the info you have. They're just the ones who signed them.

Did you not read what I wrote? The source that put out the 110 million number corrected themselves publicly, which I linked for you. That's not me claiming anything. That's you reading things online and not bothering to spend 5 minutes with google to find out where they are coming from. Russo didn't lie. He openly said it was reported by someone else, as did just about everyone. The person it was reported by said they were wrong. How is that hard for you to grasp?
- Antilles

Its hard for Gumpy to grasp anything factual and logical.

Yes, I read it. The only problem is, you have no idea what other teams may have offered. Only what was reported whether it was false or not. There were supposedly 20+ teams that made offers. So to say the Wild were the only team to make offers that high is unfounded. Even if Philly didn't offer 110, we still don't know exactly what they DID other than it was rumored between 80 and 110. But I'm guessing there were teams that offered as much if not more individually to each player than the Wild did. Anything over 7 mill for either was over paying and pretty much every team offered more than 7 to one or both.

The bottom line is you can't sit there and say the Wild were the highest bidding team with the info you have. They're just the ones who signed them.
- MnGump

Pretty damn sure he just said that Philadelphia's columnist corrected the number to a certain deal after he put the range on it....

Plenty of teams had the cap space. There is a reason no one else offered to pay as much as the Wild did. And yes, they still would be overpaid if it had been another team signing them for that much.
- Antilles

Actually, and I don't mean to be stepping into someone else's pissing match, nor do I want to be perceived as coming to the aid of another Wild fan, but I did discuss this matter with Suter's agent, Neil Sheehy, who just happens to be Zach Parise's former agent. He confirmed for me that other teams did offer more money to Suter for sure and that it is very likely that this was the case for Parise whom was, at least in my opinion, the more highly sought after free agent. The Wild offered less money and the same term as most other teams and landed these two guys. End of story. Also, 20 teams put in bids for Parise and another 20 for Suter. It is a published fact that both players took less money than they could have otherwise received to play together in Minnesota.

Actually, and I don't mean to be stepping into someone else's pissing match, nor do I want to be perceived as coming to the aid of another Wild fan, but I did discuss this matter with Suter's agent, Neil Sheehy, who just happens to be Zach Parise's former agent. He confirmed for me that other teams did offer more money to Suter for sure and that it is very likely that this was the case for Parise whom was, at least in my opinion, the more highly sought after free agent. The Wild offered less money and the same term as most other teams and landed these two guys. End of story. Also, 20 teams put in bids for Parise and another 20 for Suter. It is a published fact that both players took less money than they could have otherwise received to play together in Minnesota.
- Brad Ratgen

can you provide where it is published fact?

also you always hear after a player signs a contract that they didnt take the most money, how true is it? who really knows

Yes. The Wild will make the playoffs. I don't think people outside of Minnesota realize the momentum this signing has created. We were already pumped because of the rookies coming in, but Parise/Suter took it to another level. It's palpable in the cities. They players feel it, the fans feel it, and it's real. As is demonstrated in the playoffs every year, the best team on paper doesn't win, the hottest team with the most confidence does. Right now, that's the Wild. Of course, at some point in the long season, this will diminish some. What's great though, is that this is where the rookies come in. Any time one of the new rookies gets called up, it injects new life into the club as the buzz starts again and it gets them back on track. Playoffs? No doubt.
- MNHockey

momentum... one the most dubious ideas in sports. and its july. The Wild might still make the playoffs... but Parise and Suter are not enough alone. team has to stay healthy. parise replaces latendresse... and suter replaces zanon (he wasn;t in boston until the team was already out of the playoffs) unless a couple of the rookies take the league by storm, I think minn may be on the outside lookings in. They still lack some depth. maybe, if they are in the hunt, they could give up some young talent at the deadline for a couple of pieces. going to be fun to watch

after reading my post, i made it seem that they just replaced those players.... they are a dramatic improvement. I made the comparison to point out the remaining depth issues

Its hard for Gumpy to grasp anything factual and logical.
- rmdevil313

Careful, you may want to go back to the NJ blogs where it's safe to act like you know more than everybody... you might get exposed out here in the real world.

ps. How come your not getting up on your soap box correcting Brads take on the discussion at hand? Expounding and reiterating how factless and illogical my post was? Hmmm... Weird. Hey by the way, I'll let you in on a little secret;Let's face it, I think Parise's going to test the free agency market and might leave the Devils. But don't tell anyone, because I'm sure you'll once again tell me I'm wrong and how I make no sense because I know nothing about how Lou operates... It puts such a huge smile on my face when I think about how absolutely wrong you were about everything you gloated about all while being so sure you were right.... It's fun to not only prove you wrong, but expose you for the bloviated pontificating gas bag you acutally are...

can you provide where it is published fact?

also you always hear after a player signs a contract that they didnt take the most money, how true is it? who really knows
- dmarsden2988

Well seeing as he had a "personal" conversation with the agent, I'm guessing it's not published info. And why does something have to be "published" for it to be fact? Not sure, ask rmdbag313, he seems to be all knowing, surprised you had to even ask the question with him hovering around waiting to pounce and correct somebody...

Well seeing as he had a "personal" conversation with the agent, I'm guessing it's not published info. And why does something have to be "published" for it to be fact? Not sure, ask rmdbag313, he seems to be all knowing, surprised you had to even ask the question with him hovering around waiting to pounce and correct somebody...
- MnGump

i was just wondering where the "published" fact was, since its published we should all be able to see it, shouldnt we? he stated it was published so i asked to see it

and who knows if it is a fact or not? im sure the players and agents arent going to say yeah he joined the wild because they offered the most money, because then it would seem like they were after the money, even if they took the most

i was just wondering where the "published" fact was, since its published we should all be able to see it, shouldnt we? he stated it was published so i asked to see it

and who knows if it is a fact or not? im sure the players and agents arent going to say yeah he joined the wild because they offered the most money, because then it would seem like they were after the money, even if they took the most
- dmarsden2988

Well I guess it's difficult to say being that most teams that made offers have not released those figures publicly. But both players did as much as admit they both took less money to sign with the same team. They indicated that both in their presser and in the FSN special the week they signed which aired immediately after the press conference.

I don't know, I guess you can call them both liars, but the current info leads me to believe they were being truthful. That being said, I'm fairly certain everyone believes that half the reason a player tests the FA market in the first place is to get more money than his current team is offering. So in a way whether they took the max offer or not, it really is mostly about the money.

Careful, you may want to go back to the NJ blogs where it's safe to act like you know more than everybody... you might get exposed out here in the real world.

ps. How come your not getting up on your soap box correcting Brads take on the discussion at hand? Expounding and reiterating how factless and illogical my post was? Hmmm... Weird. Hey by the way, I'll let you in on a little secret;Let's face it, I think Parise's going to test the free agency market and might leave the Devils. But don't tell anyone, because I'm sure you'll once again tell me I'm wrong and how I make no sense because I know nothing about how Lou operates... It puts such a huge smile on my face when I think about how absolutely wrong you were about everything you gloated about all while being so sure you were right.... It's fun to not only prove you wrong, but expose you for the bloviated pontificating gas bag you acutally are...
- MnGump

I think the funniest thing is your too thick-headed to actually grasp what our argument was. You used them not talking throughout the season as your reasoning for Parise leaving the Devils, all we said was that your "speculation" was totally wrong, as we know Lou doesn't discuss until after the season and Parise was certainly willing to resign with the Devils. Never did anyone say here, although there are some idiots that probably did say it, that Parise was definitely resigning with the Devils. All we ever said was that Parise was not definitely leaving New Jersey, which you talked about like it was a fact based on your speculation, which we knew was wrong.

You just can't seem to get that across your mind even though we've repeated it like 15 times.

Careful, you may want to go back to the NJ blogs where it's safe to act like you know more than everybody... you might get exposed out here in the real world.

ps. How come your not getting up on your soap box correcting Brads take on the discussion at hand? Expounding and reiterating how factless and illogical my post was? Hmmm... Weird. Hey by the way, I'll let you in on a little secret;Let's face it, I think Parise's going to test the free agency market and might leave the Devils. But don't tell anyone, because I'm sure you'll once again tell me I'm wrong and how I make no sense because I know nothing about how Lou operates... It puts such a huge smile on my face when I think about how absolutely wrong you were about everything you gloated about all while being so sure you were right.... It's fun to not only prove you wrong, but expose you for the bloviated pontificating gas bag you acutally are...
- MnGump

I'm a big boy, I can handle it.

I think the funniest thing is your too thick-headed to actually grasp what our argument was. You used them not talking throughout the season as your reasoning for Parise leaving the Devils, all we said was that your "speculation" was totally wrong, as we know Lou doesn't discuss until after the season and Parise was certainly willing to resign with the Devils. Never did anyone say here, although there are some idiots that probably did say it, that Parise was definitely resigning with the Devils. All we ever said was that Parise was not definitely leaving New Jersey, which you talked about like it was a fact based on your speculation, which we knew was wrong.

You just can't seem to get that across your mind even though we've repeated it like 15 times.
- _Zippy_

I think the funniest thing is how you like to come to your girl friends defense everytime I respond to one of his big mouth know it all rants. Both of you took one exerpt of my comments and used it as the basis of why I had no idea what I was talking about. For all intents and purposes, everything I (and many others) speculated on came to be true. That is everything except that Parise and his agent weren't talking to NJ until July 1st. And just to set the record straight, I never said I knew he was leaving. The main point of my comments were, at that juncture he was most likely going to test free agency. I understand that had nothing to do with not already being re-signed. But the fact of the matter remains, that a bunch of your NJ blog brethren continued saying that Zach would be re-signed and that nobody outside the NJ Devils umbrella knew what they were talking about. The most speculated point by most "outsiders" was whether that's the way Lou does things or not, that he was an idiot to not come to terms with Parise before not only the end of the regular season, but before he got a crack at free agency.

I believe the Devils would have had a much better chance of re-signing him had that been the case.

I think the funniest thing is your too thick-headed to actually grasp what our argument was. You used them not talking throughout the season as your reasoning for Parise leaving the Devils, all we said was that your "speculation" was totally wrong, as we know Lou doesn't discuss until after the season and Parise was certainly willing to resign with the Devils. Never did anyone say here, although there are some idiots that probably did say it, that Parise was definitely resigning with the Devils. All we ever said was that Parise was not definitely leaving New Jersey, which you talked about like it was a fact based on your speculation, which we knew was wrong.

You just can't seem to get that across your mind even though we've repeated it like 15 times.
- _Zippy_

The guy can't grasp anyone's arguments.

I think the funniest thing is how you like to come to your girl friends defense everytime I respond to one of his big mouth know it all rants. Both of you took one exerpt of my comments and used it as the basis of why I had no idea what I was talking about. For all intents and purposes, everything I (and many others) speculated on came to be true. That is everything except that Parise and his agent weren't talking to NJ until July 1st. And just to set the record straight, I never said I knew he was leaving. The main point of my comments were, at that juncture he was most likely going to test free agency. I understand that had nothing to do with not already being re-signed. But the fact of the matter remains, that a bunch of your NJ blog brethren continued saying that Zach would be re-signed and that nobody outside the NJ Devils umbrella knew what they were talking about. The most speculated point by most "outsiders" was whether that's the way Lou does things or not, that he was an idiot to not come to terms with Parise before not only the end of the regular season, but before he got a crack at free agency.

I believe the Devils would have had a much better chance of re-signing him had that been the case.
- MnGump

You didn't read up on those fallacies, did you.

You didn't read up on those fallacies, did you.
- rmdevil313

Wipe your nose junior... Once you're little pouch drops, you'll be much more capable of reasoning and making good choices... I think it's called adolescence...

But until then, I suppose you'll know more than the rest of us...

Wipe your nose junior... Once you're little pouch drops, you'll be much more capable of reasoning and making good choices... I think it's called adolescence...

But until then, I suppose you'll know more than the rest of us...
- MnGump

I don't know why you are making age jokes. Wouldn't you be more embarrassed to be outsmarted by a 13 year old?

Yes, I'm sure it's all hearsay and rumors started by agents and reporters using disinformation tactics. You know how sports beat writers like to make up bold face lies for their respective news papers/media outlets and then allow them to circulate in print and throughout the internet!

But because YOU are saying no one offered more than the Wild, I'm guessing YOUR info HAS to be the most credible. Wow, must be nice to ALWAYS be right...
- MnGump

Hmmmm. Other person makes rational argument, Gumpy results to deflecting by saying "It must be nice to always be right." Sounds familiar.

I don't know why you are making age jokes. Wouldn't you be more embarrassed to be outsmarted by a 13 year old?
- rmdevil313

No, I'm guessing a 13 year old would have a much better chance of outwitting me than someone of your intelect. Your capacity for rational and intelligent thought seems a bit on the narrow side.

I'd love to sit and exchange barbs of witty banter with you, but I've got a socks and undies drawer that is desperately in dire need of reorganization... So until your next troll post. Arrivederci!

No, I'm guessing a 13 year old would have a much better chance of outwitting me than someone of your intelect. Your capacity for rational and intelligent thought seems a bit on the narrow side.

I'd love to sit and exchange barbs of witty banter with you, but I've got a socks and undies drawer that is desperately in dire need of reorganization... So until your next troll post. Arrivederci!
- MnGump

He used Italian, he must be a genius.

No, I'm guessing a 13 year old would have a much better chance of outwitting me than someone of your intelect. Your capacity for rational and intelligent thought seems a bit on the narrow side.

I'd love to sit and exchange barbs of witty banter with you, but I've got a socks and undies drawer that is desperately in dire need of reorganization... So until your next troll post. Arrivederci!
- MnGump

Stay in school. If you have graduated then you have my sympathy.

He used Italian, he must be a genius.
- _Zippy_

He should work on his reading comprehension in English first.

No, I'm guessing a 13 year old would have a much better chance of outwitting me than someone of your intelect. Your capacity for rational and intelligent thought seems a bit on the narrow side.

- MnGump

That's why you admitted you were wrong at one point right?