Right now is July 13th...
- jxt216

EXACTLY, my thoughts.

They shot out to the best record in the NHL last season 30 games in, and that was with far less talent then they'll have this season. Unfortunately they hit a wall when they lost PMB, Koivu, Setoguchi, Latendresse and Backstrom for significant stretches, and were without at least 3 of their top 6 for several weeks at a time. Zidlicky and Stoner were also out for several weeks. Tons of injuries hampered the Wild in the 2nd half last season. The fact that they suited a league high 47 players should be enough to prove they had constant changes in the line up. If they can actually stay healthy next season, I think they certainly have a good chance at a playoff berth. And that's not even mentioning some of the prospect talent thay may make the roster next season.

As far as Yeo goes, my guess is his future as the Wild skipper will live or die with next seasons level of success. In my estimation, with the FA signings this year, they can't go anywhere but up. I still have my reservations as to how far they can go in the playoffs with such a young inexperienced defensive corps, but only time will tell.

Wild fans should be disappointed if the they don't at least make the playoffs next season, but should be extremely disappointed if they don't make it and Yeo is not fired. Richards was not given more than 2 seasons to prove himself and he had much less talent on his watch with what really was not a bad overall W/L record. With the free fall the Wild were in 2nd half last year, winning something like 15 of 50 games, I was surprised Yeo is still the coach.
- MnGump

So they were tops in the early season huh? What does that mean for playoffs again? Where did the Wild finish again? These signings will help but I think 8th seed at best, the team cannot stay healthy especially Koivu.

In 327 games Backstrom is 160 - 109 - 42, has a career .918 SV%. Not sure how thats considered mediocre as your comment seems to insinuate. Hardings SV% is .916. How in any way is this an indicator of sub par goal tending?

As far as wins or quality of wins??? Well for obvious reasons I don't think teams are kept out of the playoffs becasue they didn't have enough "comfortable" wins, or for that matter having too many wins because of great goaltending. Maybe come up with something a little more substantial than frivolous notions about not being able to blow teams out or that awkward feeling of having great goal tending performances.... As far as I know, a W in the win column is still a W no matter how a team gets it. 30 - 7 - 4 that included a 7 game win streak against teams like LA, Phoenix, San Jose and NJ... Yeah, they were lucky!

The Wild plain and simple ran into the injury bug last season. Suited 47 players which was the most in the NHL. Theres no doubt they had depth issues as would any team playing without at least 3 of their top 6 on a regular basis, but the product on the ice when healthy last season was as good as any team in the West.

Theres really no validity to anything in your breakdown of why the Wild won't make the playoffs next season.
- MnGump

You missed the point. Backstrom's career average is around .92, so is Harding's. When they were healthy, the Wild still needed them to play around .95 to get wins. It doesn't matter that .92 is pretty good, the point is the Wild needed better than that to get wins. And there isn't any reason to expect either goalie to play at the level the Wild needed for wins for the first third of the season like they did this year.

Next, the quality of wins doesn't matter for points... but it does mean something when it comes to looking at the next year. A team that eeked out a few wins, and were pretty squarely beaten a lot of the time needs a lot more improvement to be thinking about playoffs than a team was barely coming out on the wrong end and thus missing playoffs.

The Wild had players injured. So did plenty of other teams. Yes the Wild dressed 47 players. But that is as much about the Wild's lack of depth as it is about their unluckiness. There were other teams with more man-games lost to injury than the Wild who dressed fewer players... because they had decent players step in, instead of just giving everyone at their AHL team a shot. The fact they lost 3 of their top 6 forwards sucks... so did other teams. 3 of the Blues top 6 forwards missed significant time, they finished one win shy of the Presidents Trophy. Injuries is an excuse everyone has to explaining why they didn't do better, but they are going to happen again next year, and again, even when healthy, the Wild needed goalies to stand on their head in order to get wins.

You can not like reasons to think the Wild won't make the playoffs... but they are pretty legitimate. I haven't seen a lot of real reasons to think the Wild will make the playoffs. Even if they had had the 38 goals from Parise and Suter this last year... they would be behind all but 3 of the playoff teams. Two of the playoff teams they would be ahead of were 1 & 2 in goals against... where Wild are middle of the pack.

So they were tops in the early season huh? What does that mean for playoffs again? Where did the Wild finish again? These signings will help but I think 8th seed at best, the team cannot stay healthy especially Koivu.
- Kaymondel

Just stating the facts. The Wild had a great team in the first half until they lost out to injury. Depth is an obvious problem on this team. Koivu is not the problem, the problem is he's busting his ass, trying to carry the team on his back taking to many chances. With a guy like Parise, a lot of that spent energy will be shared next season so Koivu won' t have to carry the brunt on his shoulders.

Don't really get why people get so offended when you talk about regular season accomplishments. Going 20 - 7 - 3 is no fluke, the Wild had a hell of a team last season when healthy, I think they definitely would have made a run in the playoffs had they been healthier and had a little more depth at the forward and defensive positions.

Bottom line is Wild fans have 2 major reasons to be excited, and quite frankly, I think the fans of Minnesota deserve it. Sure some people are getting a bit cavalier by throwing out over achieving lofty expectations, but for gods sake, let the fans of Minnesota have their moment.

You missed the point. Backstrom's career average is around .92, so is Harding's. When they were healthy, the Wild still needed them to play around .95 to get wins. It doesn't matter that .92 is pretty good, the point is the Wild needed better than that to get wins. And there isn't any reason to expect either goalie to play at the level the Wild needed for wins for the first third of the season like they did this year.

Next, the quality of wins doesn't matter for points... but it does mean something when it comes to looking at the next year. A team that eeked out a few wins, and were pretty squarely beaten a lot of the time needs a lot more improvement to be thinking about playoffs than a team was barely coming out on the wrong end and thus missing playoffs.

The Wild had players injured. So did plenty of other teams. Yes the Wild dressed 47 players. But that is as much about the Wild's lack of depth as it is about their unluckiness. There were other teams with more man-games lost to injury than the Wild who dressed fewer players... because they had decent players step in, instead of just giving everyone at their AHL team a shot. The fact they lost 3 of their top 6 forwards sucks... so did other teams. 3 of the Blues top 6 forwards missed significant time, they finished one win shy of the Presidents Trophy. Injuries is an excuse everyone has to explaining why they didn't do better, but they are going to happen again next year, and again, even when healthy, the Wild needed goalies to stand on their head in order to get wins.

You can not like reasons to think the Wild won't make the playoffs... but they are pretty legitimate. I haven't seen a lot of real reasons to think the Wild will make the playoffs. Even if they had had the 38 goals from Parise and Suter this last year... they would be behind all but 3 of the playoff teams. Two of the playoff teams they would be ahead of were 1 & 2 in goals against... where Wild are middle of the pack.
- Antilles

Dude, nobody is saying the Wild are now a dynasty team with the personnel to win 4 or 5 cups! I understand what you and a lot of people are saying, and agree to a certain extent, but stats do not dictate a playoff team, nor a champion. The Kings were right down in the toilet with the Wild for 2/3's of last season for least goals scored! I could argue that if the Wild had their 20 - 7 - 3 run at the end of last season instead of the beginning, they may have made a run to the finals, who really knows.
r.

Dude, nobody is saying the Wild are now a dynasty team with the personnel to win 4 or 5 cups! I understand what you and a lot of people are saying, and agree to a certain extent, but stats do not dictate a playoff team, nor a champion. The Kings were right down in the toilet with the Wild for 2/3's of last season for least goals scored! I could argue that if the Wild had their 30 - 7 - 4 run at the end of last season instead of the beginning, they may have made a run to the finals, who really knows.
r.
- MnGump

Wild never had a 30-7-4 run. They started the season 20-7-3 (or 20-8-4), perhaps that is what you are thinking of. Would that run have been good if they were going into the playoffs off it, of course. Unfortunately, Wild wouldn't get to play every other game against non-playoff opponents like they did to start the season, with nearly half of those 20 wins being against terrible teams, in playoffs.

It is true that any team could get hot and potentially win the cup, that's a great thing about the NHL. It's great the Wild fans are excited an view that as a potential for their team. But this blog wasn't about "Isn't it nice the Wild are relevant to their fans again, let's dream of what MIGHT happen" it was asking if people actually thought Wild would make playoffs.

Just stating the facts. The Wild had a great team in the first half until they lost out to injury. Depth is an obvious problem on this team. Koivu is not the problem, the problem is he's busting his ass, trying to carry the team on his back taking to many chances. With a guy like Parise, a lot of that spent energy will be shared next season so Koivu won' t have to carry the brunt on his shoulders.

Don't really get why people get so offended when you talk about regular season accomplishments. Going 30 - 7 -4 is no fluke, the Wild had a hell of a team last season when healthy, I think they definitely would have made a run in the playoffs had they been healthier and had a little more depth at the forward and defensive positions.

Bottom line is Wild fans have 2 major reasons to be excited, and quite frankly, I think the fans of Minnesota deserve it. Sure some people are getting a bit cavalier by throwing out over achieving lofty expectations, but for gods sake, let the fans of Minnesota have their moment.
- MnGump

Be excited, that's great. I do believe the signings are good for Minnesota and the Wild franchise. However, the article asks is the readers believe if the Wild will make the playoffs and I do not think it will happen; but alas it is mid July, anything can happen, just my initial thoughts. Also, not being sour grapes about losing Parise, he's a great player, but not 7.5 mil/year great.

Edit - better hope Heatley, Zpar, and Koivu produce like the highest paid first line in the NHL they are.

Wild never had a 30-7-4 run. They started the season 20-7-3 (or 20-8-4), perhaps that is what you are thinking of. Would that run have been good if they were going into the playoffs off it, of course. Unfortunately, Wild wouldn't get to play every other game against non-playoff opponents like they did to start the season, with nearly half of those 20 wins being against terrible teams, in playoffs.

It is true that any team could get hot and potentially win the cup, that's a great thing about the NHL. It's great the Wild fans are excited an view that as a potential for their team. But this blog wasn't about "Isn't it nice the Wild are relevant to their fans again, let's dream of what MIGHT happen" it was asking if people actually thought Wild would make playoffs.
- Antilles

I meant 20 - 7 - 4

I meant 20 - 7 - 4
- MnGump

Meh, that's still not a record the Wild had last season, but off by a game is better than off by ten.

Minnesota will make the playoffs. The two big additions plus Granlund to the line up will add offense to a team that NEEDED help. They will compete with Vancouver for the division title. If they don't win the division, I believe they will get a 5-7 seed.

Be excited, that's great. I do believe the signings are good for Minnesota and the Wild franchise. However, the article asks is the readers believe if the Wild will make the playoffs and I do not think it will happen; but alas it is mid July, anything can happen, just my initial thoughts. Also, not being sour grapes about losing Parise, he's a great player, but not 7.5 mil/year great.

Edit - better hope Heatley, Zpar, and Koivu produce like the highest paid first line in the NHL they are.
- Kaymondel

Yeah, a lot of money tied up in them, the Wild will be in serious trouble if they can't produce. If Heatley can improve his numbers from last season and get over the 30 goal 70 point threshold, the Wild should be successful.

Minnesota will make the playoffs. The two big additions plus Granlund to the line up will add offense to a team that NEEDED help. They will compete with Vancouver for the division title. If they don't win the division, I believe they will get a 5-7 seed.
- JWendelPGA

The question is the defense? Is that so much better than last years? A lot of people who argue against Minnesota making the playoffs point out the shots against? That doesn't just change with two additions. It's an awfully big fact to overcome, it may very well be the system or it may be the defense. Nevertheless, besides Suter, who is there? Gilbert? Then a bunch of unproven young guys, your resting 2/3 of your defense on unproven talent. Of course, one or two is going to show they are ready for the NHL, but what about the other two?

Defense is a major concern, goaltending and forwards look fine, but how do you fix that defense?

I think Poile will have to pull a rabbit out of his ass to get anywhere near the results we had this past season. I think we will be playoff contenders for sure but by the skin of out teeth...
- PredsFan95

Why? Because the Preds lost exactly one guy? The guys that largely got the Preds into the playoffs are still on the roster. Suter needs to be replaced, but that doesn't suddenly drop the Preds so far that they either don't make the playoffs or just barely get in.

Pekka is still in net, and he made that defense look a whole lot better than they were.

Honestly, Detroit lost their two best defenders and Hudler. They've been replaced by an aging Samuelsson and Tootoo. That's the team that's regressed more than anyone. If the Wild are going to make it in and someone drops out, my money is on Detroit as the team that gets bumped.

That being said, I would pick Dallas to return to the playoffs before I would pick MN. Parise and Suter could be saviors for MN or the team could be just like the Washington Redskins and pre-lockout Rangers. Always winning the off-season, never doing squat in the regular season.

The wild should make the playoff, but as always how your team looks on paper isn't everything. Detroit, Nashville, Dallas and maybe Phoenix all lost key pieces and IMO the wild are the only team out west that improved.

Looks like things have come full circle the west is now the weak conference, out east all last years playoff teams, Aside from New Jersey either stayed the same or got better.

No Minnesota's not getting in. Neither of these players are worth their contracts.

No Minnesota's not getting in. Neither of these players are worth their contracts.
- flamminghead

Agreed. Way overpaid.

I think it's funny that everybody who said no in this thread is a fan of one of those 8 western teams in the dance last year.

Minny will absolutely be in the playoffs next year.

This was already a deep team, with high-end youth developing, some of which will still make the roster next year. Parise, plus Granlund and possibly Coyle or Zucker, give them an absolutely deadly top 9 - likely that Heatley will also rebound up to around 30G and 60-70 pts now, as much as it pains me to say it.

With Suter eating up 25-30 min a night, it takes all of the pressure of their young ace defensemen like Scandella and Stoner and allow them to really shine in the more sheltered ice time. Gilbert will make a fantastic #2 with Suter.

Parise-Koivu-Heatley
Granlund-Cullen-Setoguchi
Zucker-Brodziak-PM Bouchard
Veilleux-Mitchell-Clutterbuck
Konopka

Suter-Gilbert
Scandella-Stoner
Kampfer-Falk
Prosser

Backstrom
Harding


Honestly, tell me what's missing from that roster - nothing. Don't listen to the haters, wild fans. I look at that lineup and I see playmakers, goalscorers, and scoring threats on three straight forward lines. I see solid defense from up front and the back end, I see tons of toughness and size in the bottom 6, I see a legit top pairing on D, and decent young depth throughout. I see formidable goaltending, not just at the top but throughout the organization. And I see a bunch of solid forward and goaltending prospects ready to fill in in case of injury.

Honestly, the only way I see the wild not beating one of these other 8 teams out for a spot is if Suter suffers a season ending injury at some point. Otherwise, they're in, and somebody is out - I'm talking to you, San Jose/Nashville/Phoenix/Detroit/Chicago.

I think it's funny that everybody who said no in this thread is a fan of one of those 8 western teams in the dance last year.

Minny will absolutely be in the playoffs next year.

This was already a deep team, with high-end youth developing, some of which will still make the roster next year. Parise, plus Granlund and possibly Coyle or Zucker, give them an absolutely deadly top 9 - likely that Heatley will also rebound up to around 30G and 60-70 pts now, as much as it pains me to say it.

With Suter eating up 25-30 min a night, it takes all of the pressure of their young ace defensemen like Scandella and Stoner and allow them to really shine in the more sheltered ice time. Gilbert will make a fantastic #2 with Suter.

Parise-Koivu-Heatley
Granlund-Cullen-Setoguchi
Zucker-Brodziak-PM Bouchard
Veilleux-Mitchell-Clutterbuck
Konopka

Suter-Gilbert
Scandella-Stoner
Kampfer-Falk
Prosser

Backstrom
Harding


Honestly, tell me what's missing from that roster - nothing. Don't listen to the haters, wild fans. I look at that lineup and I see playmakers, goalscorers, and scoring threats on three straight forward lines. I see solid defense from up front and the back end, I see tons of toughness and size in the bottom 6, I see a legit top pairing on D, and decent young depth throughout. I see formidable goaltending, not just at the top but throughout the organization. And I see a bunch of solid forward and goaltending prospects ready to fill in in case of injury.

Honestly, the only way I see the wild not beating one of these other 8 teams out for a spot is if Suter suffers a season ending injury at some point. Otherwise, they're in, and somebody is out - I'm talking to you, San Jose/Nashville/Phoenix/Detroit/Chicago.
- TommyDeVito

Here is the concern. The rest of their top six is mediocre at best, and Gilbert isn't that great of a defensemen in his own right, definitely not a top two guy. A bunch of inexperienced young defensemen. I'll give the Wild that one or two of them is going to have a great season and establish themselves, but even that's no guaranteed. Even goaltending, Harding is a bit injury prone and, correct me if I am wrong, Backstrom is a bit injury prone as well.

That is basically the same defensive core as last year which shots rained down on the goaltenders last year. Lots of room for concern. I think they will make the playoffs, but not too sure they will make much of an impact, barring an upgrade to the defense.

Agreed. Way overpaid.
- GioRock

I'm sure they wouldn't have been "overpaid" had they landed on the Rangers, Pittsburgh or Philly though right????

Let's face it, all athletes are overpaid, but any other team with the cap space would have paid the same or more to land both these guys. But of course because they chose a fairly nondescript team like the Wild, they're overpaid and apparently not worth half of what any other team would have surely paid them.

Don't worry, I would have been jealous too had they not chosen the Wild...

I think it's funny that everybody who said no in this thread is a fan of one of those 8 western teams in the dance last year.

Minny will absolutely be in the playoffs next year.

This was already a deep team, with high-end youth developing, some of which will still make the roster next year. Parise, plus Granlund and possibly Coyle or Zucker, give them an absolutely deadly top 9 - likely that Heatley will also rebound up to around 30G and 60-70 pts now, as much as it pains me to say it.

With Suter eating up 25-30 min a night, it takes all of the pressure of their young ace defensemen like Scandella and Stoner and allow them to really shine in the more sheltered ice time. Gilbert will make a fantastic #2 with Suter.

Parise-Koivu-Heatley
Granlund-Cullen-Setoguchi
Zucker-Brodziak-PM Bouchard
Veilleux-Mitchell-Clutterbuck
Konopka

Suter-Gilbert
Scandella-Stoner
Kampfer-Falk
Prosser

Backstrom
Harding


Honestly, tell me what's missing from that roster - nothing. Don't listen to the haters, wild fans. I look at that lineup and I see playmakers, goalscorers, and scoring threats on three straight forward lines. I see solid defense from up front and the back end, I see tons of toughness and size in the bottom 6, I see a legit top pairing on D, and decent young depth throughout. I see formidable goaltending, not just at the top but throughout the organization. And I see a bunch of solid forward and goaltending prospects ready to fill in in case of injury.

Honestly, the only way I see the wild not beating one of these other 8 teams out for a spot is if Suter suffers a season ending injury at some point. Otherwise, they're in, and somebody is out - I'm talking to you, San Jose/Nashville/Phoenix/Detroit/Chicago.
- TommyDeVito

What's missing you ask? I think it's easier to look at what the Wild do have. Using your lines... you have a great first line... followed by a second line with a 2 40 point players and a rookie. A decent third line center with a guaranteed to get injured winger and a rookie. And a 4th line too short to intimidate anyone. You have one first pairing defenseman, one second pairing defenseman, and 5 third pairing defenseman. Outside your top pairing, you have a total of 4 seasons of experience between all 5 defensemen. And 2 consistently good goalies. That just doesn't sound like a playoff team to me.

I'm sure they wouldn't have been "overpaid" had they landed on the Rangers, Pittsburgh or Philly though right????

Let's face it, all athletes are overpaid, but any other team with the cap space would have paid the same or more to land both these guys. But of course because they chose a fairly nondescript team like the Wild, they're overpaid and apparently not worth half of what any other team would have surely paid them.

Don't worry, I would have been jealous too had they not chosen the Wild...
- MnGump

Plenty of teams had the cap space. There is a reason no one else offered to pay as much as the Wild did. And yes, they still would be overpaid if it had been another team signing them for that much.

Plenty of teams had the cap space. There is a reason no one else offered to pay as much as the Wild did. And yes, they still would be overpaid if it had been another team signing them for that much.
- Antilles

It was reported Philly offered $110 million for Parise... Detroit offered just $ 8 million less than the Wild for Suter but the same 13 years... and an undisclosed team offered over $100 million for Suter. I'm sure the Rangers and Pittsburgh's offers were right up there as well.

So your claim that no one offered to pay as much as the Wild is a fallacy.

In my opinion, those who argue that "20-7-3 isn't a fluke" do not fully appreciate the degree to which luck and unsustainable percentages influence the outcomes of hockey games, and how they can produce short term results wildly out of whack with what we would expect.

Statistical trends that continue over several seasons of play (like the performance of superstars or truly great teams) is proven skill. Brief, unexpected flashes of brilliance (like a bad team winning 20 of 30 en route to 24th place, or Lee Stempniak scoring 14 goals in 18 games) almost never last.

Even at the end of the 20-7-3 run, the Wild were still last in the NHL in shots taken and second-last (meaning second-worst) in shots allowed. Their percentage of shot attempts when the score was tied vs opposition (a metric called score tied Fenwick), one of the best and most proven predictors of future performance we have, was dead last in the NHL. You do not win games in the NHL over the long term getting outshot as badly as the Wild were, especially with the score tied.

Through December 10, 2011, the Wild had allowed just 63 goals on 963 shots for a team save percentage of .935. Considering the career rates of their goaltenders (.918 for Backstrom; .916 for Harding), it should surprise no one that the Wild were getting unsustainable percentages out of their goaltending and that the luck would level out (both Backstrom and Harding finished the year with numbers very close to their career averages).

At the same point, the Wild had scored 75 times on 773 shots, a fairly high 9.7 percent shooting success rate that represents a 10 percent efficiency boost over league average (9.7 percent versus the standard 8.8).

Bottom line: the Wild were playing bad territorial hockey and would have been expected to sharply regress even if they had stayed healthy. They were winning games because they were making their shots and getting their saves at rates that clearly would not be able to hold up over the long term.

If you want to argue that the quality of the Wild roster this year is good enough to make the playoffs, you can certainly do so. I think they'll be close and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they got in. It's a totally different team, hopefully with a totally different approach to playing the game.

But calling the Wild a great team from October to December of last year is in my opinion a bad misrepresentation of the facts, and is not a very compelling basis upon which to make projections about this year.

It was reported Philly offered $110 million for Parise... Detroit offered just $ 8 million less than the Wild for Suter but the same 13 years... and an undisclosed team offered over $100 million for Suter. I'm sure the Rangers and Pittsburgh's offers were right up there as well.

So your claim that no one offered to pay as much as the Wild is a fallacy.
- MnGump

If you actually go back and do a bit of googling, you'll find the 110mil number was originally from a Philly reporter, Tim Panaccio, on July first. He said the offer was between 80 million and 110 million. He then clarified his report, that the offer was 80 million over 12 years a few hours later on twitter.
https://twitter.com/tpano...status/219514880376569858

However, plenty of reporters, such as as the Wild's Russo a week ago, only remembered hearing 110 million and referenced it as fact, most of the time saying someone else had reported that. Instead of looking for a source, lots of people heard 3rd or 4th hand about the high end of an estimate that was quickly clarified and ran with that as something that had been offered... when it hadn't. The internet is full of statements the Flyers offered that much... but those that have sources listed all trace back to the same estimate from Panaccio. Russo, in the same article he spread the 110million stuff, said Suter's agent claimed there were offers over 100 million for his client from an undisclosed team. But of course Russo doesn't mention when Sheehy said this, for instance if it was while he was trying to drive the price of his client up. Every time a big free agent signs, they claim it wasn't about the money. Doesn't mean they didn't take the highest offer.

The more you know.

If you actually go back and do a bit of googling, you'll find the 110mil number was originally from a Philly reporter, Tim Panaccio, on July first. He said the offer was between 80 million and 110 million. He then clarified his report, that the offer was 80 million over 12 years a few hours later on twitter.
https://twitter.com/tpano...status/219514880376569858

However, plenty of reporters, such as as the Wild's Russo a week ago, only remembered hearing 110 million and referenced it as fact, most of the time saying someone else had reported that. Instead of looking for a source, lots of people heard 3rd or 4th hand about the high end of an estimate that was quickly clarified and ran with that as something that had been offered... when it hadn't. The internet is full of statements the Flyers offered that much... but those that have sources listed all trace back to the same estimate from Panaccio. Russo, in the same article he spread the 110million stuff, said Suter's agent claimed there were offers over 100 million for his client from an undisclosed team. But of course Russo doesn't mention when Sheehy said this, for instance if it was while he was trying to drive the price of his client up. Every time a big free agent signs, they claim it wasn't about the money. Doesn't mean they didn't take the highest offer.

The more you know.
- Antilles

Yes, I'm sure it's all hearsay and rumors started by agents and reporters using disinformation tactics. You know how sports beat writers like to make up bold face lies for their respective news papers/media outlets and then allow them to circulate in print and throughout the internet!

But because YOU are saying no one offered more than the Wild, I'm guessing YOUR info HAS to be the most credible. Wow, must be nice to ALWAYS be right...