Size has nothing to do with Defense. Ask Marty Murray, Glen Metropolit, Darryl Powe, and Max Talbot.
- RooNosHockey

Guy Carboneau!

i think i'd prefer coburn-meszaros.... and schenn with kimmo

then whoever is #6 with grossman
- FlyerMike18

kind of a weird mix.

i'd be really nervous about how the hell the puck would get out of the zone if grossmann is paired with mab/gus/gervais.

think i'm most comfortable with:

schenn-kimmo
mesz-grossmann (played well together before mesz got hurt)
coby-6th

before everyone goes berserk about coburn on the third pair, remember matt carle led the team in ice time this past year and his most frequent partner was MAB.

Thats not entirely true... In battles against bigger stronger guys, those players will struggle. I think thats what the poster was aiming at.. G is gonna be playing against top line players... and when he is matched up against big strong forwards he will likely be less efficient.
- jak521

Size has nothing to do with defense. When a guy lacks size they use speed to make up for it. Dont get on the boards with bigger guys, get there before them and move the puck. Also positional play has nothing to do with size.

Giroux will most likey not be going against the other teams top line. He will most likely be going up against the other teams best checking line. What Giroux lacks in size he can make up for in speed, and using his ice vision to avoid getting hit. I just dont buy Giroux's size as being a hinderence.

And none of them are franchise level forwards who you build your whole team around. Size does have something to do with health, especially with a player like Giroux who will be on the receiving end of contact much more than those scrubs you mentioned.(minus Talbot of course, he is awesome)

I wont change your mind on Giroux. I don't think he is as great defensively as you seem to think he is. Agree to disagree.

- MBFlyerfan

I never said he was great. He is above average.

i think i'd prefer coburn-meszaros.... and schenn with kimmo

then whoever is #6 with grossman
- FlyerMike18

After the thing of beauty that was coburn and grossmann... those two will stay together if i have anything to do with it!

I don't mind that they didn't get anyone big this summer. I'm slightly upset they let the Parise/Suter situation get in the way of making other moves. They could probally have had Ryan at a cheaper price before Parise signed. They could have also resigned Carle for cheaper and shorter then Tampa gave him since he wanted to come back to Philly. And IMO they should have resigned Jagr. He earned the ice time he was asking for last year. If his production would ahve dropped then you address it with him then. Either say we have to drop you down a line, or we could trade you to a team that would put you on thier top line, but with the way Giroux and Hartnell gelled with him, I'm nervous to break that up.
- RooNosHockey

I never wanted Suter or Parise at the ridiculous prices the Flyers apparently offered. I also agree that i think it affected their ability to fill holes they could have filled while they waited around for those two to make their decisions.

You are also correct in saying that it led directly to them losing Carle (which I am especially disappointed about) I personally would have given Carle the 5.5 especially in light of what the market turned out to be. Jarg at 4.5 was just too much.

Hopefully Voracek can fill the Jagr role. I think he can. But I also think that for now, this team is weaker than when the season ended. This is only on paper of course. Hopefully more players step up and improve. Especially our children under 24. Schenn, Schenn, Voracek, Couturier, Simmonds, Bourdon, Gustaffson, Rinaldo. Lots of young kids not even close to their primes. If they all merely IMPROVE over last season, this team could be more than fine.

I never said he was great. He is above average.
- RooNosHockey

i still would like to see them sign a veteran...
just naming a few of them and i know it may seem unlikely that they will sign them.
Doan
Knuble
Arnott
- phi1671

I wouldn't be opposed.

Size has nothing to do with defense. When a guy lacks size they use speed to make up for it. Dont get on the boards with bigger guys, get there before them and move the puck. Also positional play has nothing to do with size.

Giroux will most likey not be going against the other teams top line. He will most likely be going up against the other teams best checking line. What Giroux lacks in size he can make up for in speed, and using his ice vision to avoid getting hit. I just dont buy Giroux's size as being a hinderence.
- RooNosHockey

You are talking about a loose puck... What about when those guys start cycling the puck down low? What happens when a team gets possession, establishes a strong cycle and uses their body to drive and open space?

Typically... G will be out on the ice the same time guys like Crosby, Malkin, AO, Towes, Gaborik, etc. etc. are. Not when Ryan Carter and Steve Bernier are.

I never said he was great. He is above average.
- RooNosHockey

That is, when he's not going on some adventure behind the net instead of covering his mark in the defensive zone

That is, when he's not going on some adventure behind the net instead of covering his mark in the defensive zone
- BulliesPhan87

My biggest pet peeve.. not just of G's, but of any forward. DRIVES ME (frank)ING NUTS

kind of a weird mix.

i'd be really nervous about how the hell the puck would get out of the zone if grossmann is paired with mab/gus/gervais.

think i'm most comfortable with:

schenn-kimmo
mesz-grossmann (played well together before mesz got hurt)
coby-6th

before everyone goes berserk about coburn on the third pair, remember matt carle led the team in ice time this past year and his most frequent partner was MAB.
- OrangeBlack27

interesting... totally spread the top 3 guys out. i could definitely live with that, particularly for the bulk of the reg season

i was putting coburn and drej together to get some kind of a "top pair" to rely on heavily if need be (without over-extending kimmo, but you could definitely put him in drej's place)

i think i'd prefer coburn-meszaros.... and schenn with kimmo

then whoever is #6 with grossman
- FlyerMike18

i'm full bore on wanting to put gross and mesz back together

kind of a weird mix.

i'd be really nervous about how the hell the puck would get out of the zone if grossmann is paired with mab/gus/gervais.

think i'm most comfortable with:

schenn-kimmo
mesz-grossmann (played well together before mesz got hurt)
coby-6th

before everyone goes berserk about coburn on the third pair, remember matt carle led the team in ice time this past year and his most frequent partner was MAB.
- OrangeBlack27

yesss this is exactly what i want

I don't see that. I see a player who is willing to go into the dangerous areas of the ice, and mix it up. Your going to take hits in this League. I don't want a player that is soft, looking to avoid hits, rather then taking a hit to make a play. I have no interest in Schenn turning into a Jason Spezza type.
- MJL

He does go to the dangerous areas. I'll include the link to the Volchenkov hit in the post (dont know how to embed). But this type of avoidable dangerous hit where he is on the receiving end happened a little too much IMO. I think he'll learn to live to fight another day (esp. with Volchenkov on the ice) in situations like these and put on the brakes on these occassions. Doesn't mean that he's a soft player, but it will strengthen the argument that he's a smarter player.

On a side note I would be totally ok with Schenn turning into Jason Spezza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPOgzyNU4Zc

i'm full bore on wanting to put gross and mesz back together
- Don'tForgetTocchet

i wouldn't be opposed

it's weird, this d mix definitely isn't perfect, but i'm excited to see how they mesh. potential for a lot of snarl, which is at least fun to watch imo

EDIT: could you imagine if instead of "#6" we could put chris pronger in there??? frustrating as hell

I would be very, very happy with this. I have no problem displaying some patience and letting the improvement come from within (young players getting better) and then trying to improve the D with free agency next summer (with Weber or Enstrom for example). I'm happy with this team for the upcoming season. Not a cup favorite but if they get lucky with team health, get hot and Bryz plays well (I know, that's not likely) they could make a run.

I'm looking forward to seeing our young players take the next step
- TS_Downes

how u figure this?

You are talking about a loose puck... What about when those guys start cycling the puck down low? What happens when a team gets possession, establishes a strong cycle and uses their body to drive and open space?

Typically... G will be out on the ice the same time guys like Crosby, Malkin, AO, Towes, Gaborik, etc. etc. are. Not when Ryan Carter and Steve Bernier are.
- jak521

Stick check, poke check, block shot.

What makes you think that? Staal was matched up against the Giroux line in the playoffs. Typically you play your top defensive line against the other teams top line..

i wouldn't be opposed

it's weird, this d mix definitely isn't perfect, but i'm excited to see how they mesh. potential for a lot of snarl, which is at least fun to watch imo

EDIT: could you imagine if instead of #6 we could put chris pronger in there??? frustrating as hell
- FlyerMike18

i allow myself to think about it occasionally.... boy wouldn't that be something.

He does go to the dangerous areas. I'll include the link to the Volchenkov hit in the post (dont know how to embed). But this type of avoidable dangerous hit where he is on the receiving end happened a little too much IMO. I think he'll learn to live to fight another day (esp. with Volchenkov on the ice) in situations like these and put on the brakes on these occassions. Doesn't mean that he's a soft player, but it will strengthen the argument that he's a smarter player.

On a side note I would be totally ok with Schenn turning into Jason Spezza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPOgzyNU4Zc
- Just5

make sure you slide over to custom and enter the sizes I always hit 300 in width and that takes care of the rest

make sure you slide over to custom and enter the sizes I always hit 300 in width and that takes care of the rest
- JoeRussomanno

Thanks

Thanks


- Just5

kenny albert with the absurd lindros-stevens comparison

Thanks


- Just5

gotta give credit to Jsaq, he coached me and Puckhead one night when we were up late posting links to dumb videos

kind of a weird mix.

i'd be really nervous about how the hell the puck would get out of the zone if grossmann is paired with mab/gus/gervais.

think i'm most comfortable with:

schenn-kimmo
mesz-grossmann (played well together before mesz got hurt)
coby-6th

before everyone goes berserk about coburn on the third pair, remember matt carle led the team in ice time this past year and his most frequent partner was MAB.
- OrangeBlack27

I see lots of 6-5 games in the flyers future

I see lots of 6-5 games in the flyers future
- vejim

I'm revoking you're fortune teller's license sir. Good day.