I don't like it. You don't trade a 24 goal scorer who makes 900k a year, and a player that in my opinion is going to be as good as Ryan at almost half the cap hit.

Read and Voracek are both very good two way players. Both are better two way players than Ryan IMO.

I hope this is just more Homer smoke. Ryan in that deal just hurts this team more defensively.

Jesus, can we please put this Ryan thing away Homer!?
- MBFlyerfan

x2

I don't see that as a problem. Last year he was asked to step into the #1 center/scorers position and it probably took away somewhat from his defensive responsibilities.

Last year he posted a plus 6. The year prior with Richards and Carter ahead of him, he was a plus 20.
- 77rams

I see it as a big problem for the entire team, not just Giroux. And being a #1 Center doesn't prevent you from playing well defensively.

I honestly think Couts is going to be Towes-esque...
- jak521

I'm with you there. That might be high end, but why not.

I don't like it. You don't trade a 24 goal scorer who makes 900k a year, and a player that in my opinion is going to be as good as Ryan at almost half the cap hit.

Read and Voracek are both very good two way players. Both are better two way players than Ryan IMO.

I hope this is just more Homer smoke. Ryan in that deal just hurts this team more defensively.

Jesus, can we please put this Ryan thing away Homer!?
- MBFlyerfan

For as much as we rag on Leafs fans for thinking every Toronto native is dying to be a Leaf I'm saddened by seeing so many Flyers fans thinking Ryan is the missing link to this team just because he's from the area(at the cost of multiple roster players no less)

Do we need a top line winger? Probably wouldnt hurt. But that doesn't mean the answer is for Homer to go tell Anaheim "shut up and take my money!" or in this case forward depth.

For as much as we rag on Leafs fans for thinking every Toronto native is dying to be a Leaf I'm saddened by seeing so many Flyers fans thinking Ryan is the missing link to this team just because he's from the area(at the cost of multiple roster players no less)

Do we need a top line winger? Probably wouldnt hurt. But that doesn't mean the answer is for Homer to go tell Anaheim "shut up and take my money!" or in this case forward depth.
- hereticpride

I also think this Hometown kid stuff is overblown. Ryan moved out of the area when he was 10 years old. (we all know the story by now)


http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3782270

Jake AND Read is too much IMO.

Jake + or no deal if I were Homer.

Jake AND Read is too much IMO.

Jake + or no deal if I were Homer.
- LordStanley88

Ek stated voracek, read, mab, and a package of picks.........ummm. Come again??

I also think this Hometown kid stuff is overblown. Ryan moved out of the area when he was 10 years old. (we all know the story by now)


http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3782270
- MBFlyerfan

Wow what a read.. I had no idea!

Ek stated voracek, read, mab, and a package of picks.........ummm. Come again??
- Just5

Interesting. Unless the Flyers feel Read wont produce those numbers again. Ryan would replace Voracek. MAB well no words needed. I wonder if this deal has even been offered.

Interesting. Unless the Flyers feel Read wont produce those numbers again. Ryan would replace Voracek. MAB well no words needed. I wonder if this deal has even been offered.
- stveshdy

I would be OK with Voracek, a prospect forward and MAB. I see no reason to include Read. Yes, right now, Ryan is probably a bit of an improvement on Voracek, in terms of team needs. But in two or three years, Voracek may well be a better player than Ryan.

I do Read, Voracek, Bourdon, and a few picks for Ryan in a heartbeat. It will give us a top line winger for Giroux without trading Schenn, Couturier, or hurting our defense....

Ryan-Giroux-Briere
Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
Fedotenko-Couturier-Wellwood
Sestito-Talbot-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Coburn
Gervais-Meszaros

Maybe sign a 4th line winger/center. Wellwood to join his brother?

I would be OK with Voracek, a prospect forward and MAB. I see no reason to include Read. Yes, right now, Ryan is probably a bit of an improvement on Voracek, in terms of team needs. But in two or three years, Voracek may well be a better player than Ryan.
- Jsaquella

This alone is why I would do the deal. You know what your getting from Ryan now. And you have no idea how long or if Voracek will put up the numbers Ryan does now.

I do Read, Voracek, Bourdon, and a few picks for Ryan in a heartbeat. It will give us a top line winger for Giroux without trading Schenn, Couturier, or hurting our defense....

Ryan-Giroux-Briere
Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
Fedotenko-Couturier-Wellwood
Sestito-Talbot-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Coburn
Gervais-Meszaros

Maybe sign a 4th line winger/center. Wellwood to join his brother?


- RooNosHockey

Voracek could be that top line winger. They could sign Alexander Semin and keep Voarcek and Read.

Both Ryan and Semin have been accused of being sometimes lazy guys, with occasional indifference to defense and both have had battles with their coaches. Both are capable of putting up nice looking stats when used right. If you're going to trade for Ryan just because he's a "first line winger" then why not sign Semin?

This alone is why I would do the deal. You know what your getting from Ryan now. And you have no idea how long or if Voracek will put up the numbers Ryan does now.
- RooNosHockey

So, you'd trade 40 goals, two spots in your top 9, two guys who are already solid top 9 forwards who can be used on the PK and PP for a guy who is a better goal scorer, not as good defensively and a guy who has battled with head coaches and has a rep as a bit lazy in his own end?

Gotcha

I would be OK with Voracek, a prospect forward and MAB. I see no reason to include Read. Yes, right now, Ryan is probably a bit of an improvement on Voracek, in terms of team needs. But in two or three years, Voracek may well be a better player than Ryan.
- Jsaquella

Maybe Voracek will cost more mine down the line and they can add Ryan who still has some years left on his current deal. I don't get adding Read but what you proposed makes sense unless they feel a kid like cousins or someone else can step into reads role. Not sure if they have anyone who can do that.

any five guys on the roster not named Giroux or Couturier off you go
- JoeRussomanno

be fair and schenns...... read and voracek off you go!

Maybe Voracek will cost more mine down the line and they can add Ryan who still has some years left on his current deal. I don't get adding Read but what you proposed makes sense unless they feel a kid like cousins or someone else can step into reads role. Not sure if they have anyone who can do that.
- stveshdy

Ryan's deal has 3 years left at $5.1mm. I doubt Voracek gets that much this summer, and if he signs a 3 or 4 year deal, it will likely not top that $5.1mm cap hit.

As far as adding Read, there's no reason to expect Cousins or Akeson to step in and do what Read did last year. I am a realist with Read. He's not a future stud, but he's a cheap, versatile player with good speed that can play wing or center.

be fair and schenns...... read and voracek off you go!
- Philly1980

So let me get this straight..

Out: JvR, Jagr, Voracek, Read, Carle, MaB, Bob

In: Schenn, Ryan, Gervais, Rusty, Leighton.

And we are better?

So, you'd trade 40 goals, two spots in your top 9, two guys who are already solid top 9 forwards who can be used on the PK and PP for a guy who is a better goal scorer, not as good defensively and a guy who has battled with head coaches and has a rep as a bit lazy in his own end?

Gotcha
- Jsaquella

Ryan does play on the pk .... has a few shorties also.

Ryan's deal has 3 years left at $5.1mm. I doubt Voracek gets that much this summer, and if he signs a 3 or 4 year deal, it will likely not top that $5.1mm cap hit.

As far as adding Read, there's no reason to expect Cousins or Akeson to step in and do what Read did last year. I am a realist with Read. He's not a future stud, but he's a cheap, versatile player with good speed that can play wing or center.
- Jsaquella

Hes a 20-20 guy who will play in any situations.. He isnt just an add on to a deal.

Ryan does play on the pk .... has a few shorties also.
- Philly1980

Out of the Ducks top 12 forwards.. Ryan was 9th in PK toi/avg

Ryan's deal has 3 years left at $5.1mm. I doubt Voracek gets that much this summer, and if he signs a 3 or 4 year deal, it will likely not top that $5.1mm cap hit.

As far as adding Read, there's no reason to expect Cousins or Akeson to step in and do what Read did last year. I am a realist with Read. He's not a future stud, but he's a cheap, versatile player with good speed that can play wing or center.
- Jsaquella

Voracek is younger than Ryan so will be be making as much when he turns his age? If you believe he will be better than Ryan they he would get more money at some point. I have zero issues trading Voracek, MAB, prospect, later pick for Ryan.

I have no clue why they would add Read unless they feel he's not that hard to replace. Did his numbers decline over the second half? He will be 26 this year also so maybe they don't view him as a prospect who will be much better than he was this year. Honestly, I don't know.

So let me get this straight..

Out: JvR, Jagr, Voracek, Read, Carle, MaB, Bob

In: Schenn, Ryan, Gervais, Rusty, Leighton.

And we are better?
- jak521

OUT
OVERATED BUM, GRANPA MULLET, MR 1 YEAR COMMIT, 25 YR old ROOKIE, MR TURNOVERS, OHHH NO HIGH SHOT BETTER DUCK SO IT GOES IN

IN
THE human eraser, potential 40 + goal scorer, 2 time cup winner, and leighton

id say even or better

Ryan does play on the pk .... has a few shorties also.
- Philly1980

Read averages almost 2 minutes more per game on the PK than Ryan. Voracek plays an average of 9 seconds less per game on the PK.

Voracek is younger than Ryan so will be be making as much when he turns his age? If you believe he will be better than Ryan they he would get more money at some point. I have zero issues trading Voracek, MAB, prospect, later pick for Ryan.

I have no clue why they would add Read unless they feel he's not that hard to replace. Did his numbers decline over the second half? He will be 26 this year also so maybe they don't view him as a prospect who will be much better than he was this year. Honestly, I don't know.
- stveshdy

You cant base how a player will be paid in 3-4 years... so much changes. However, if Voracek is signed on to a 4 year deal now.. it would be assumed that he would be at a lower hit..