Given that we get to keep everyone in this scenario it's a move I like as well. If he's a bust you still have Jake and Read to fall back on. Just don't go more than 3 years on a deal.

Despite what everyone seems to know about the guys attitude he's good for 50 points a year. If you can add that without subtracting you go for it.
- hereticpride

I would look for a two year deal if possible. Otherwise I agree.

I agree with you but the style of play is completely different from what the Flyers are doing (Boston and LA). They should tweek the system a little.
- stveshdy

Plus a red hot goalie didn't hurt

I agree it would be. As long as you don't have to give up the franchises future to obtain Ryan.
- MJL

A 26 year old 2nd year player, and a 22 year old that hasn't scored 20 goals yet and already has contract problems is the franchises future? I thought the future was in players like Giroux, Couturier, Schenn, and Schenn....

I think that a spike of 7-10 goals is being way too optimistic. Getzlaff has had 50+ assists 4 times. Giroux's done that just twice. Both Giroux and Getzlaff are very good playmakers.
- Jsaquella

You are also look at his least productive season last year as his goal total. The two years before he had 34 and 35 goals and the year before that 31 in just 64 games. So you are looking at 31-35 goals a season his first 4 seasons in the league.

Progression as a player and playing with Claude Giroux I think could definitely push him up around 40 goals a season.

I mean keep in mind... Ryan is just hitting what is typically a players most productive years of their career.

Say you were to trade Read and Voracek.. you are still left with...

Giroux (24)
Ryan (25)
Schenn (20)
Couturier (19)
Simmonds (23)
Wellwood (22)


as your offensive future... I'll take that any day of the week.
- Flyers2821

Wellwood is not part of the offensive future. He's likely to be a nice speedy 4th liner than can maybe get 10 goals a year. I like the kid a ton, but to expect him to be a future piece of the offensive core is expecting too much, IMO.

I agree, but I am not so sure giving up Read and Voracek is "giving up the future." They are good young players but they are not players who are going to turn out to be superstars in the league. They can be replaced.

A player with Bobby Ryans consistency in the goal scoring department is much more valuable. In my opinion atleast.
- Flyers2821

I'd much rather find out how consistent Read and Voracek can be. Ryan had 31 goals last year, Read had 25. A player has to be given a chance to be consistent. I'd give up one of them in a package for Ryan. But certainly not both. Ryan is a good player, but he isn't that good.

Also... by the way Homer has operated this offseason... it seems as though he is putting an extremely high priority on getting Giroux a premier goal scoring winger. Which I agree with.

Having a one-two punch of Giroux and Ryan together for years would be an extremely valuable thing to this franchises future.
- Flyers2821

how so?

I personally don't care if giroux hits 100 pts next year. I don't care if his linemate doesn't score 40 goals. I care about two players last year that showed a work ethic and willingness in all 3 zones. Flyers need more of that mentality. Not making a super line
- Just5

It is not about making a super line. There are hundreds of players around the league who work hard in all 3 zones. There are probably 4-5 who have scored 30+ goals the past 3 seasons.

You get a player like Bobby Ryan paired up with Claude Giroux followed by the youth of players like Schenn, Couturier, simmonds growing behind them... you are in an extremely strong situation. You then can continue to build around that core and are in a tremendous position.

I would LOVE to see how many players in the NHL scored 30+ goals in each of the past 4 seasons...

A 26 year old 2nd year player, and a 22 year old that hasn't scored 20 goals yet and already has contract problems is the franchises future? I thought the future was in players like Giroux, Couturier, Schenn, and Schenn....
- RooNosHockey

Yes, they most certainly are part of the franchise's future. The contract problems are overblown.

You are also look at his least productive season last year as his goal total. The two years before he had 34 and 35 goals and the year before that 31 in just 64 games. So you are looking at 31-35 goals a season his first 4 seasons in the league.

Progression as a player and playing with Claude Giroux I think could definitely push him up around 40 goals a season.

I mean keep in mind... Ryan is just hitting what is typically a players most productive years of their career.
- Flyers2821

He is. But Giroux compared to Getzlaff is not exactly going from Blair Betts to Sidney Crosby. Giroux and Getzlaff are comparable as playmakers. If one is better, it's not by a huge amount.

Getzlaff struggled last year, is that a factor in why Ryan had his worst year? Also, how much attention does Perry draw from Ryan and free him up to score? Hartnell's a capable player, but does he get as much attention as Perry?

I'm not saying Ryan's a bad player at all. He's a good player. I just don't agree that trading Voracek and Read for him is the smart way to go.

how so?
- FlyerMike18

He made one play for a d-man, Ryan Suter. He has been in constant talks for Ryan and Nash and made a push for Parise. He let Carle just walk out of town.

To me, he is in pursuit of an elite winger to play with Claude Giroux.

I'd much rather find out how consistent Read and Voracek can be. Ryan had 31 goals last year, Read had 25. A player has to be given a chance to be consistent. I'd give up one of them in a package for Ryan. But certainly not both. Ryan is a good player, but he isn't that good.
- MJL

Patrick Sharp anyone?

It's my opinion, but unfortunately, last Season Giroux was a below average player defensively in 5 on 5 play. He has to be much better in his coverages and attention to detail in his own end. As does a lot of the forwards on the team.
- MJL

Can't argue with that, never did.

It just seemed to me when he wasn't in the position to lead the team offensively, he played better defensively, evidenced by his plus 20 two seasons ago. Once he was elevated to numero uno, his game changed a little. He became the elite scorer we expected but it seemed to come at a price.

He has to address that.

Yes, they most certainly are part of the franchise's future. The contract problems are overblown.
- MJL

They are strong players, but there are hundreds of strong players around the NHL.

Someone please do the research on how many players have scored 30+ goals the past 4 seasons in the NHL... I am dying to find out but too lazy to look it up!

You are also look at his least productive season last year as his goal total. The two years before he had 34 and 35 goals and the year before that 31 in just 64 games. So you are looking at 31-35 goals a season his first 4 seasons in the league.

Progression as a player and playing with Claude Giroux I think could definitely push him up around 40 goals a season.

I mean keep in mind... Ryan is just hitting what is typically a players most productive years of their career.
- Flyers2821

I don't want semin anymore than a year. It's too risky. I don't think the flyers have much interest at all. But who the hell knows. Seems like a good fit in detroit. They've gotta do something this summer don't they?

He made one play for a d-man, Ryan Suter. He has been in constant talks for Ryan and Nash and made a push for Parise. He let Carle just walk out of town.

To me, he is in pursuit of an elite winger to play with Claude Giroux.
- Flyers2821

I don't think anyone disputes that Holmgren is working the phones to try and make the team better.

I don't think anyone disputes that Holmgren is working the phones to try and make the team better.
- MJL

I never said anyone did.

I don't want semin anymore than a year. It's too risky. I don't think the flyers have much interest at all. But who the hell knows. Seems like a good fit in detroit. They've gotta do something this summer don't they?
- Just5

Amazing how people say that the Flyers can't attract free agents because they traded Carter, Richards and JvR just after signing them to longer term deals, yet here's the Red Wings with $25mm in cap space and the biggest name they've added is Jonas Gustavsson

Amazing how people say that the Flyers can't attract free agents because they traded Carter, Richards and JvR just after signing them to longer term deals, yet here's the Red Wings with $25mm in cap space and the biggest name they've added is Jonas Gustavsson
- Jsaquella

Not to mention all it takes is a NTC/NMC an that point is irrelevant.

They are strong players, but there are hundreds of strong players around the NHL.

Someone please do the research on how many players have scored 30+ goals the past 4 seasons in the NHL... I am dying to find out but too lazy to look it up!


- Flyers2821

Your coming at this from the wrong direction. Everyone is aware of Ryan's goal scoring ability. It's about the price to acquire him. In a fair deal that benefits both teams, I'm 100% behind that. In some of the asinine deals being suggested, that are a drastic overpayment for Ryan, I'm not in favor of.

Not to mention all it takes is a NTC/NMC an that point is irrelevant.
- Flyers2821

It's relevant for a guy who hasn't reached UFA eligibility yet. Carter and Richards had NTCs, they just couldn't kick in until they were eligible to be RFAs

Amazing how people say that the Flyers can't attract free agents because they traded Carter, Richards and JvR just after signing them to longer term deals, yet here's the Red Wings with $25mm in cap space and the biggest name they've added is Jonas Gustavsson
- Jsaquella

Just laying in the weeds

I was kinda surprised that they couldn't entice Suter, though.

I never said anyone did.
- Flyers2821

Yea, but your trying to tell us what Holmgren is trying to do. We all hear and read the same rumors.

They are strong players, but there are hundreds of strong players around the NHL.

Someone please do the research on how many players have scored 30+ goals the past 4 seasons in the NHL... I am dying to find out but too lazy to look it up!


- Flyers2821

I've repeatedly said I'd welcome Bobby Ryan in a heartbeat, in the right deal. What I'm against is overpaying for the guy. I think trading both Read and Voracek is an overpaymet. One or the other, plus a pick or prospect or other sweetener and I'm OK with it.

Amazing how people say that the Flyers can't attract free agents because they traded Carter, Richards and JvR just after signing them to longer term deals, yet here's the Red Wings with $25mm in cap space and the biggest name they've added is Jonas Gustavsson
- Jsaquella

The two biggest free agents land in Minnesota, who would think that?