Dude. It aint the medias fault. I promise

its not the media, its the false sense of entitlement. And the diving, and whining about the refs and teams playing to rough.
- Oilfan19

I forgot about all the fair weather fans as well.

Yes Gagner is overrated by some Oiler fans, but he is more underrated by non fans. He has put up respectable 2nd line numbers on a low scoring crappy team. I don't think anyone here thinks a top pairing D would come back in a 1 for 1 trade, a top 6 winger, maybe.

And you do realize that Henrik and Kesler are roughly the same weight and 3 or 4 inches taller, that isn't a huge difference.
- abware

dank is listed as 6'1" 187, hank 6'2" 188, kessler 6'2" 202 and gagner is completely dwarfed by these three at 5'11" 195. yup hank and dank completely dwarf him

Dude. It aint the medias fault. I promise
- hugefemale dog77

the media influences a lot. ron maclean, cherry, etc., are a big part of what happened a couple years ago.

nobody here likes whining and diving either. unfortunately it's part of the game and it gets more press here than elsewhere.

a diving player from a different country, province or state has nothing to do with the people who live here.

go ahead and hate the team. i don't care. but the city? seriously? that's just immature.

i hate toronto. i hate new york and of course i hate boston. i don't hate the oilers. they give me nothing to hate but if their fans can't have a grown up conversation, i might have something else to say about the city.

dank is listed as 6'1" 187, hank 6'2" 188, kessler 6'2" 202 and gagner is completely dwarfed by these three at 5'11" 195. yup hank and dank completely dwarf him
- ruttager17

you're not comparing him to an art ross and selke winner. i know that. big centers are hard to find but everyone still wants one.

all I said was that he's not the prototypical 2nd line center teams want and he's not the typical 3rd liner either. he's a good option on a team that needs centers like minnesota where he'd slot in nicely behind koivu.

the media influences a lot. ron maclean, cherry, etc., are a big part of what happened a couple years ago.

nobody here likes whining and diving either. unfortunately it's part of the game and it gets more press here than elsewhere.

a diving player from a different country, province or state has nothing to do with the people who live here.

go ahead and hate the team. i don't care. but the city? seriously? that's just immature.

i hate toronto. i hate new york and of course i hate boston. i don't hate the oilers. they give me nothing to hate but if their fans can't have a grown up conversation, i might have something else to say about the city.
- therealagent

you are going to say bad things about the city of edmonton because of what fans of the oilers who do not live in that city are saying??? That is one of the most asinine, ridiculous things i have ever read. You came here to troll not have a grown up conversation ya bleeding imbecile.

the media influences a lot. ron maclean, cherry, etc., are a big part of what happened a couple years ago.

nobody here likes whining and diving either. unfortunately it's part of the game and it gets more press here than elsewhere.
diving player from a different country, province or state has nothing to do with the people who live here.
go ahead and hate the team. i don't care. but the city? seriously? that's just immature.
hate toronto. i hate new york and of course i hate boston. i don't hate the oilers. they give me nothing to hate but if their fans can't have a grown up conversation, i might have something else to say about the city.
- therealagent

I live in vancouver. I love it.
I hate the canucks

I didnt think their was anything immature about my initial rebuttal

you're not comparing him to an art ross and selke winner. i know that. big centers are hard to find but everyone still wants one.

all I said was that he's not the prototypical 2nd line center teams want and he's not the typical 3rd liner either. he's a good option on a team that needs centers like minnesota where he'd slot in nicely behind koivu.
- therealagent

you came here to call him small and say we over value him. Here are some facts. Thank you to morris for the research.
Now consider this list:
Patrick Sharp first 337 NHL games - 179 points
Henrik Sedin first 400 games- 221 points
Daniel Sedin first 397 games - 222 points
Stephen Weiss first 401 games- 224 points
Sam Gagner first 366 games - 220 points
Gagner is only 22 and point wise on a very poopty oilers team and has more points in less games than hank or dank. You think at 22 he is gonna grow up to get worse or better???? While oilers fans may over value him, it is people like you who come to troll and have no idea about gagner who completely under value him.

I live in vancouver. I love it.
I hate the canucks

I didnt think their was anything immature about my initial rebuttal
- hugefemale dog77

Your disagreement was immature.

It's a lots cause, he just likes to argue his opinions just for the sake of arguing, don't waste yer time with him using logic or facts, its just frustrating and exhausting.
- ruttager17

Yes frustrating and exhausting when you ask for facts and you get them but STILL argue!! FOr the record guys this guy (Ruttager) Argued with me for hours stating I have 0 chance to improve the Edmonton Oilers! I asked him how and why as they finished LAST, LAST and 2nd LAST the past 3 years!! My argument was that how is it possible to do worse but his argument was I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors!!!

If it weren't for the "first" game and LB you may be the 2nd thickest poster on here!!

My 2 cents: Sign Mueller and Coliaccavio! Or BTW Ruttager this WOULD improve the team and management hasn't done either!! So if we finish in the bottom 2 again we can all look back at this and say WOW maybe this would have made a difference! Standing pat sure has been working !!

Your disagreement was immature.
- abware

I didnt realize. My bad.

Please dont bash the city of edmonton. Not sure i could take it.
Say one word about my hometown sherwood park and ill go bell tower shooting spree on you

you came here to call him small and say we over value him. Here are some facts. Thank you to morris for the research.
Now consider this list:
Patrick Sharp first 337 NHL games - 179 points
Henrik Sedin first 400 games- 221 points
Daniel Sedin first 397 games - 222 points
Stephen Weiss first 401 games- 224 points
Sam Gagner first 366 games - 220 points
Gagner is only 22 and point wise on a very poopty oilers team and has more points in less games than hank or dank. You think at 22 he is gonna grow up to get worse or better???? While oilers fans may over value him, it is people like you who come to troll and have no idea about gagner who completely under value him.
- ruttager17

Also to be CLEAR I did NOT say we should trade Gagner I stated he is the most expendable (according the people). I personally like Gagner and hope the Oilers give him a proper shot with quality wingers Yakupov and Hemsky would be great!! The defense can be patched until our younger guys are ready (Coliaccavio, Spacek.....). The point is there are good player available for cheap and at no cost of our prospects!

you're not comparing him to an art ross and selke winner. i know that. big centers are hard to find but everyone still wants one.

all I said was that he's not the prototypical 2nd line center teams want and he's not the typical 3rd liner either. he's a good option on a team that needs centers like minnesota where he'd slot in nicely behind koivu.
- therealagent

Did you already forget it took 4-6 years for hank and Kesler to become good nhl players? But you will write off Gagner already.
I'm not saying Gagner will become an art Ross or a selke winner but Ffs give him some time to develop. If he turns into a 60-70 point second line center we are laughing.

Also to be CLEAR I did NOT say we should trade Gagner I stated he is the most expendable (according the people). I personally like Gagner and hope the Oilers give him a proper shot with quality wingers Yakupov and Hemsky would be great!! The defense can be patched until our younger guys are ready (Coliaccavio, Spacek.....). The point is there are good player available for cheap and at no cost of our prospects!
- undisputed_8821

But he is not the most expendable player by far, and you stated it as fact

But he is not the most expendable player by far, and you stated it as fact
- abware

Most expendable with value! Hemsky has little to NO value!! SO yes he is for sure!!

Also to be CLEAR I did NOT say we should trade Gagner I stated he is the most expendable (according the people). I personally like Gagner and hope the Oilers give him a proper shot with quality wingers Yakupov and Hemsky would be great!! The defense can be patched until our younger guys are ready (Coliaccavio, Spacek.....). The point is there are good player available for cheap and at no cost of our prospects!
- undisputed_8821

ummmmm this wasn't for you, it was for the canucks troll so not sure why your are quoting it to reiterate what you said about gagner. With your arrogance thinking all posts are about you and that you could run a sports franchise valued at 183millioon dollars are you sure you wouldnt be better suited to be a canucks fan???

ummmmm this wasn't for you, it was for the canucks troll so not sure why your are quoting it to reiterate what you said about gagner. With your arrogance thinking all posts are about you and that you could run a sports franchise valued at 183millioon dollars are you sure you wouldnt be better suited to be a canucks fan???
- ruttager17

Whatever Focker!

But he is not the most expendable player by far, and you stated it as fact
- abware

Its like arguing with a retarded stubborn mule, tries to change what he says after he writes it, it will just go on for hours, dont waste yer time dude

Doesn't make any sense to me. First Horcoff is a third winger with a two way game you can argue he is not a 2nd line winger but give the guy that. However this whole second winger with size holds no traction. 4 out of the top 5 hitters last year were 6 feet and under. That is roughly the size of Gagner, Nuge and Yak. Getting a big guy means nothing. Horcoff isn't a giant but he win's face offs.

What makes a good Center. 2 of the top five face off winners are 5'11 Giroux and Plecanec. Why does he have to be 3 inches taller? Has that ever made a center better? Can someone show me a single stat that would shows me why a 37 year old center would help us because he is tall? Especially when the coach already wants to move Hall to center. I really think we would be better off with Horcoff as number 2.

Arnotts points the last few years. 34, 31, 46 on teams that didn't finish 29, 30 and 30.
Horcoff 34,27 and 36. The 27 he only played half a year. Horcoff had almost 200 more faceoff wins and 3 times as many hits. He is 4 years younger and has experience playing with Hemsky and Smyth.

If we are looking for a second line center we should look at Edmonton Native and 35 year old Daymond Langkow. He put up more than 4 times as many hits last year as arnott in Phoenix. Plus he put up 7 pts in the playoffs for them. He has consistent numbers on a crap team. He has 5 years left in him. He will probably sign cheap to finish them in his home town.

you came here to call him small and say we over value him. Here are some facts. Thank you to morris for the research.
Now consider this list:
Patrick Sharp first 337 NHL games - 179 points
Henrik Sedin first 400 games- 221 points
Daniel Sedin first 397 games - 222 points
Stephen Weiss first 401 games- 224 points
Sam Gagner first 366 games - 220 points
Gagner is only 22 and point wise on a very poopty oilers team and has more points in less games than hank or dank. You think at 22 he is gonna grow up to get worse or better???? While oilers fans may over value him, it is people like you who come to troll and have no idea about gagner who completely under value him.
- ruttager17

Were did that Canuck fan go, this can't possibly be true that Gagner reached 220 points in less games than these super stars. Just rediculous, just imagine if NHL GMs were all as stupid as some of these posters. Ready to write-off a 20 year old that is putting up good numbers for a 2nd line center because he isn't 6' tall.

Think the Flames should have traded away Fleury? Bad enough that they gave away such useless midgets as St Louis and Savard. Those useless midgets.

Its like arguing with a retarded stubborn mule, tries to change what he says after he writes it, it will just go on for hours, dont waste yer time dude
- ruttager17

Back to your childish games Rutt the adults are talking here!! Aren't there any other blogs you can "first" on?? Don't you remember what happened the last time we argued?? What was it 4-5 or guys chimed in saying you were WRONG!! But no worries bud hold that grudge and keep trying!! I stand by my comment in saying he is the most expendable! Reasons given NOT changing my mind at all!! But if that's the ammo you bring to an argument keep it up dim wit!! Maybe you can call in your buddy LongBottom to help like last time?? You probably have him on speed dial!!

Sorry to everyone else but I need to point everything out to this retard:

Why Gagner is the most expendable player on the roster:

1. He is young and as of yet hasn't lived up to potential.

2. The Oiler lack size and Gagner is not big. So ask yourself who do you keep RNH or Gagner?

3. Hemsky has 0 trade value so he would not fetch anything worth while in a trade Gagner would fetch more at this point in time.

4.Belanger 0 value, Horcoff negative value. SO I ask again to fill a need what do you do? Gagner? Hall? Eberle? RNH? Yakupov?

Again I DO NOT think we should deal Gagner but I can look at this team without Oiler colored glasses on and if you want a top 4 Dman, Gagner will be the first to be gone in the deal (expendable).

If you need me to type slower Rutt let me know!!

Why Gagner is the most expendable player on the roster:

1. He is young and as of yet hasn't lived up to potential.

2. The Oiler lack size and Gagner is not big. So ask yourself who do you keep RNH or Gagner?

3. Hemsky has 0 trade value so he would not fetch anything worth while in a trade Gagner would fetch more at this point in time.

4.Belanger 0 value, Horcoff negative value. SO I ask again to fill a need what do you do? Gagner? Hall? Eberle? RNH? Yakupov?

Again I DO NOT think we should deal Gagner but I can look at this team without Oiler colored glasses on and if you want a top 4 Dman, Gagner will be the first to be gone in the deal (expendable).

- undisputed_8821

Rebuttal:

1. Omark is young and not up to potential, why is he with no trade value...same with MPS.

2. As pointed out some of the best f/o % were from guys <6', some of the biggest hitters were also. Size is not the be all end all.

3. 3 and 4 are one point...trade values. Just because a guy has trade values does not mean you trade him. Trading Gagner with no 2C in place only creates a hole to fill. And I do not think that Arnott is the answer to having a 2C to replace Gags, even for short term.

The team has more prospects in the D than on C, and many good prospects in the bunch. I just don't see Gags as part of a deal for a Top4Dman with out someone to fill his spot in place first.

Back to your childish games Rutt the adults are talking here!! Aren't there any other blogs you can "first" on?? Don't you remember what happened the last time we argued?? What was it 4-5 or guys chimed in saying you were WRONG!! But no worries bud hold that grudge and keep trying!! I stand by my comment in saying he is the most expendable! Reasons given NOT changing my mind at all!! But if that's the ammo you bring to an argument keep it up dim wit!! Maybe you can call in your buddy LongBottom to help like last time?? You probably have him on speed dial!!

Sorry to everyone else but I need to point everything out to this retard:

Why Gagner is the most expendable player on the roster:

1. He is young and as of yet hasn't lived up to potential.

2. The Oiler lack size and Gagner is not big. So ask yourself who do you keep RNH or Gagner?

3. Hemsky has 0 trade value so he would not fetch anything worth while in a trade Gagner would fetch more at this point in time.

4.Belanger 0 value, Horcoff negative value. SO I ask again to fill a need what do you do? Gagner? Hall? Eberle? RNH? Yakupov?

Again I DO NOT think we should deal Gagner but I can look at this team without Oiler colored glasses on and if you want a top 4 Dman, Gagner will be the first to be gone in the deal (expendable).

If you need me to type slower Rutt let me know!!
- undisputed_8821

1) wrong
2) keep both
3) keep Hemsky
4) keep Belanger

To fill a need you look at dangling PRV...

you're not comparing him to an art ross and selke winner. i know that. big centers are hard to find but everyone still wants one.

all I said was that he's not the prototypical 2nd line center teams want and he's not the typical 3rd liner either. he's a good option on a team that needs centers like minnesota where he'd slot in nicely behind koivu.
- therealagent

What exactly is a prototypical 2nd line center?

Rebuttal:

1. Omark is young and not up to potential, why is he with no trade value...same with MPS.

2. As pointed out some of the best f/o % were from guys <6', some of the biggest hitters were also. Size is not the be all end all.

3. 3 and 4 are one point...trade values. Just because a guy has trade values does not mean you trade him. Trading Gagner with no 2C in place only creates a hole to fill. And I do not think that Arnott is the answer to having a 2C to replace Gags, even for short term.

The team has more prospects in the D than on C, and many good prospects in the bunch. I just don't see Gags as part of a deal for a Top4Dman with out someone to fill his spot in place first.
- OilHorse

If Omark had any value sure! Again I am not for dealing Gagner not at all!! But the Oilers are not gonna deal MPS nor should they. My personal opinion is to sign Mueller and either Spacek or Coliaccavio and let them go! But as Ruttager has pointed out that I am not a GM and not in any position to make that call (AGREED). But That is what I would do if I were.

Reasoning is because you can sign them for nothing and not lose any prospect depth. I WOULD NOT trade Gagner or MPS at this point! Omark (treated unfairly by management) will be dealt for nothing and it may very well come back and kill us later on!!