Finally, a realistic ceiling for Gags. He'll be a good 50-60 pts 2nd line center.
- clarkysduster

This is pretty much what we've been saying about him for quite some time now.

Yandle for Paajarvi+Gagner (+?)

Sign Arnott.

Hall Nugent-Hopkins Eberle
Yakupov Arnott Hemsky
Smyth Horcoff Hartikainen
Jones Belanger Eager

Yandle Smid
Whitney Petry
N. Schultz J. Schultz

Yandle for Paajarvi+Gagner

Sign Arnott.

Hall Nugent-Hopkins Eberle
Yakupov Arnott Hemsky
Smyth Horcoff Hartikainen
Jones Belanger Eager

Yandle Smid
Whitney Petry
N. Schultz J. Schultz
- gretzky

lol

Finally, a realistic ceiling for Gags. He'll be a good 50-60 pts 2nd line center.
- clarkysduster

Which puts him far ahead of most of the nonsense low worth comments.
Those kind of pts make him a quality 2nd line center.

The only reason hes ever been floated in trade proposals is our desperate need for another quality dman. That along with his smallish stature already surrounded by other small, more talented forwards.

Put him on another team in between some beefy talented wingers and his value to said team is even higher

This is pretty much what we've been saying about him for quite some time now.
- robin_steele264

Yeah, but there are more than a few that got a giant hardon for that point-spree he went on. 50-60 is realistic.

lol
- mochoson

What's so funny?

Which puts him far ahead of most of the nonsense low worth comments.
Those kind of pts make him a quality 2nd line center.

The only reason hes ever been floated in trade proposals is our desperate need for another quality dman. That along with his smallish stature already surrounded by a group of small forwards who are younger and more talented.

Put him on another team in between some beefy talented wingers and his value to said team is even higher
- hugefemale dog77

I think his value is not as high as you'd like because almost every team has a smallish scoring center who can play 2nd line C. People are much more likely to pay top dollar for the above attributes, with a splash of 6'3" 220lbs

Yandle for Paajarvi+Gagner (+?)

Sign Arnott.

Hall Nugent-Hopkins Eberle
Yakupov Arnott Hemsky
Smyth Horcoff Hartikainen
Jones Belanger Eager

Yandle Smid
Whitney Petry
N. Schultz J. Schultz
- gretzky

Realistically, you'd need to add your 1st+. Yandle is a great player.

Realistically, you'd need to add your 1st+. Yandle is a great player.
- clarkysduster

Yandle wasn't even used as a top pairing guy last year on Phoenix.

He was 5th on D for quality of competition.

That shows he seems to have fallen out of favor with the coach.

That being said I would be willing to add (even a 1st) but not a 2013 1st as if history repeats itself (again) that pick alone could be worth more than Yandle. Some real high end talent for 2013

What's so funny?
- gretzky

I dont know, you tell me.

I dont know, you tell me.
- mochoson

You overrating Yandle or underrating Gagner+Paj?

Also, you missed but I added a (+) to the deal. I just meant those 2 as a base for the trade. I think a 22 year old 6th overall and a 20 year old 10th overall is a good starting point.

Yandle wasn't even used as a top pairing guy last year on Phoenix.

He was 5th on D for quality of competition.

That shows he seems to have fallen out of favor with the coach.

That being said I would be willing to add (even a 1st) but not a 2013 1st as if history repeats itself (again) that pick alone could be worth more than Yandle. Some real high end talent for 2013
- gretzky

yeah and OEL turned into a super stud. Even so, if your first isnt involved, it won't happen.

yeah and OEL turned into a super stud. Even so, if your first isnt involved, it won't happen.
- clarkysduster

The fact that Yandle was sheltered heavily by his coach makes me wonder about his ability to defend consistently.

He is a great D man but I do feel he is overrated.

There is a reason he is on the block.

You overrating Yandle or underrating Gagner+Paj?
- gretzky

Yandle was in Norris talks last year, no?

Gagner + Paj + 1st and he's yours.

Just don't tank this coming season.

Yandle was in Norris talks last year, no?

Gagner + Paj + 1st and he's yours.

Just don't tank this coming season.
- clarkysduster

make it a 2014 1st and add a prospect and I am IN

Yandle wasn't even used as a top pairing guy last year on Phoenix.

He was 5th on D for quality of competition.

That shows he seems to have fallen out of favor with the coach.

That being said I would be willing to add (even a 1st) but not a 2013 1st as if history repeats itself (again) that pick alone could be worth more than Yandle. Some real high end talent for 2013
- gretzky

Because he's not a top pairing defensemen.

He's a top 4 powerplay specialist. Still lead the team in ice-time.

Because he's not a top pairing defensemen.

He's a top 4 powerplay specialist. Still lead the team in ice-time.
- mochoson

I would say he is a top pairing guy but at the moment he is not an exceptionally strong one.

The reason you may feel my offer is a "lowball" is because it makes me nervous when a coach shelters a guy to the point he did with Yandle. That, and the fact that he is on the market for no apparent reason.

Makes me think even Phoenix knows he is overrated and wants to squeeze maximum value from him before the league clues in.

Just my .02 I do think he is still a really good D man and he is young enough he can get better.

I would say he is a top pairing guy but at the moment he is not an exceptionally strong one.

The reason you may feel my offer is a "lowball" is because it makes me nervous when a coach shelters a guy to the point he did with Yandle. That, and the fact that he is on the market for no apparent reason.

Makes me think even Phoenix knows he is overrated and wants to squeeze maximum value from him before the league clues in.

Just my .02 I do think he is still a really good D man and he is young enough he can get better.
- gretzky

1. Dave Tippets entire system is baed on defense. No surprise that Yandle was used in controlled situations in order to maximize his effectiveness given he's probably their least well rounded dman.

2. He's not on the market.....at all. Clouts keeps referencing him in blogs because the Yotes were taking offers for him at the draft and didn't like the response. They came out and said literally the next day hes off the market. Cloutiers been using his name ever since.

He'll be a Coyote next season.

There is no way the jets trade bogo enstrom maybe for a kings ransom

1. Dave Tippets entire system is baed on defense. No surprise that Yandle was used in controlled situations in order to maximize his effectiveness given he's probably their least well rounded dman.

2. He's not on the market.....at all. Clouts keeps referencing him in blogs because the Yotes were taking offers for him at the draft and didn't like the response. They came out and said literally the next day hes off the market. Cloutiers been using his name ever since.

He'll be a Coyote next season.
- mochoson

I didn't actually hear anything about Yandle being 'off the market', or that they didn't like the response. Obviously, if they did like the response he'd be traded right now. In any case, it's worth speculating on how much more it would take than what we reportedly offered, just in case he didn't go from being trade bait to being a coyote for life in the span of two weeks.

I don't like it. As I've said elsewhere, Arnott is huge, but he's scarcely more physical than Gagner. Think about that: the constantly derided Gagner threw hits as much, had more penalties and dropped the gloves more readily than the 6'5" 220 Arnott last season.

We are not at all missing a 3rd line centre with two-way quality. His name is Shawn Horcoff, and perhaps no forward on the Oilers is better than him defensively, whereas he's shown to be perfectly ably suited to 3rd line centre duties offensively. He is overpaid, he's not a poor player.

Offensively, is Arnott going to produce much more than Horcoff can be at this point? Defensively, he's worse, and he's not as good at FO as Belanger. I see no good reason to bring him on.
- Morris

You right...Horcoff was the best Defensive center on the Oilers last year. What place did the Oilers finish again?

You right...Horcoff was the best Defensive center on the Oilers last year. What place did the Oilers finish again?
- Oilnutz

Believe it or not, while the positives outweigh the negatives for Hall, Eberle and Nuge, both now and in the future, they still have a lot to learn in terms of three-zone play.

Horcoff is defensively solid. He might be the only one who is above 'defensively competent' in our forward core. And the defense sucked.

Are you sure the oil get rid of horcoff? Once his ridiculous contract is up, i bet they keep him for a cheap 1.5-2.5 mil per season, defensively he is what they need on the bottom 2 lines and on the PK, plus a vet. I know Pilgor has already given up on PRV but need look no further than him for a big left winger, assuming they can teach him to play like a big left winger and not a sweedish wussy
- ruttager17

Horcoff contract is up in 3 seasons. What does that say about the rebuild if Edmonton resigns him. Fail!!!!


On a side note....anyone else here Bommer and Walker talking about Horcs for JBo this morning? Didn't sound like the Calgary media was against it.

I'd take that before anything else I've heard.

Odds are any given team is not going to win the cup period. The Oilers don't do a hell of a lot of harm by keeping Gagner around, especially if all we can get for him is a bag of pucks as you contend.

You've said your piece on this matter, I believe.
- Morris

Yep.... I certainly have, but I may also continue to as well.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Oil rebuild, and they will be awesome to watch. The only thing that gets me is Gagner has been such a disappointment .... and the Oil fans hold the course. I guess I'm not used to that, Leafs fans throw players under the bus too fast.

Ive said it before and Ill say it again: this team can win a cup with RNH and Sam Gagner as it's top 2 centers.

- mochoson

Agree but they don't have a hope in hell if Horcoff is the 3line/defensive specialist.