Yeah that's true, hasn't proven it. IMO he is of number one quality. I wouldn't trade a 1st rounder though looking back now, because I was thinking of a first rounder in terms of the Bs not the Leafs.
- celata29

I'd go for something like a first rounder that is top 15 protected. If its higher than a top 15, then two second rounders.

um, based on what exactly? He's as unproven as Reimer... Higher pedigree sure, but he's yet to prove he's a number 1, which is why he's available.
- Big_Lightnin

they would need a goalie back in a trade, so would you trade Reimer and a 3rd perhaps for Bernier? Not saying they would do this, just asking you if you think the potential difference between the 2 goalies is worth a 3rd

Well Bernier's been in the league for a while.... let's just say he's demonstrated more than Reimer or Scrivens wouldn't you agree?
- Scabeh

He's played 48 NHL games...he may be better than Reimer...but he's still unproven.

Well, know this.
Burke, by his own doing will now have to pull off a big trade...and it will have to be trade where the leafs overpay.
Too many times Burke has said that July 1st is our draft blah blah blah....too many times he has said, we will make a deal blah blah blah.
So its already a giving, he'll make a desperation trade just because he has to.
There's no way he can back out of it now and every other GM in the league knows this.
Unless.....
He does a 360 and says "our intention is to not the make the playoffs", if and only if he says that, will he not have to make a trade.
Because right now with Reimer and Scrivens as a back up.....we are not making the playoffs.
So I look forward to either the desperation trade or the 360...which one do you think will happen first?
- Fakepartofme

This is so wrong.

There is no reason to make a "desperation" trade, whatever that means to you. If Burke trades for a legitimate first-line center I wouldn't call that a desperate decision. It's a need that must be filled sooner rather than later. If the opportunity arises, Burke would likely make a trade to improve the club.

they would need a goalie back in a trade, so would you trade Reimer and a 3rd perhaps for Bernier? Not saying they would do this, just asking you if you think the potential difference between the 2 goalies is worth a 3rd
- peddy-93

Reimer and a 2nd is more likely.

That's good.

It started with them having 2 subwoofers in their living room directly below ours. They would turn them up so loud it would vibrate our entire living room. At one point Blair took a video of the TV set at a volume of 6 and you could hear it clearly. Then she filmed it when they had the music on and the volume is at 70 and you can't hear the TV. Plus the bass shakes everything and it actually caused my Xbox controller to vibrate OFF the table.

After that I went down and FREAKED on them. It got better after that, but then other poop happened where they had made enemies and got broken into and fights and a broken window. They then decided to start hanging out in the one guys bedroom which is directly below ours and they make noise at the most ridiculous hours.

For example, last Sunday at 4:30am they cranked up music from the room right under us. We called the cops for a noise complaint. Cops showed up, knocked for 10-15minutes with no answer on the door. Music turned down. Cops left, music back up. Called cops again. Cops knock for another 10-15minutes. Still no answer. Music stops. Cops leave, music finally stays off.

But music on early mornings has happened quite a bit over the last couple weeks. And it's usually around 5am. When they hang out in the bedroom even just talking is loud and we can hear everything clear as day. It's ridiculous. After I freaked out about the bass he took them and put them as subs in his car so that wasn't an issue anymore. But then the 5am crap started.

Plus they have friends over all the time that don't give a crap about anything and have put 4 or 5 holes in the wall in the hallway when you first walk into the building. There's a TON of damage to the building, and since 1) the landlord doesn't give a crap and 2) their friends don't care, nothing will be done to fix the place up probably.

Thankfully they got evicted, but they were given 2 weeks, which basically gives them 2 weeks of not giving a crap about anything.

And to be fair, it's only 1 of the roommates that live there. The other 1 is quiet and we get along great. Unfortunately, he lives there too and is getting punished because of the other guy and his friends.

It seems like I wrote a TON but honestly, that's only a portion of the crap we've been dealing with in regards to them. If I were to explain everything I'd be typing for an hour.
- Domaju

I hate those types of assholes who have zero regard for anyone or anything around them.

My suggestion:
1. A full tank of gas in your car
2. Buy a length of hose
3. Connect hose to exhaust pipe
4. Feed other end of hose into their apartment
5. Turn car on
6. Problem solved

But no lingering concussion issues
- thatwimpydeer

Scrivens doesn't have concussion issues, and he doesn't cost us a 1st...

just saying. sure love to have Bernier, but not at the price being asked

I'd go for something like a first rounder that is top 15 protected. If its higher than a top 15, then two second rounders.
- faceto27

Yeah, that was what I meant by saying I would do it from a Bs perspective, but not a Leafs. I would give a 15-30th pick for Bernier, but not any higher.

Edit: and they are asking more for than just a first for Bernier right?

I'm not a fan of Reimer......... but i'd rather go with him and not give up anything for Bernier.

He is still a question mark. Grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side.
- faceto27

Bernier's numbers are right in line with Reimer's. Not sure what I'd want to give up for him. If they'd take Scrivens and a pick I'd do it, but we'd be paying the Stanley Cup winner's tax on top of that for sure.

Reimer and a 2nd is more likely.
- faceto27

Why trade Reimer + a pick for a goalie as unproven as Reimer?

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

That will come as a relief to the Maple Leafs who are looking at becoming bigger and tougher next season. Kadri won’t help in either of those departments although it should be noted he’s not a player that shies away from the rough going, but he’s not worried about being left behind because of a change of direction by the organization.

"No, not really, because at the end of the day I know what I can do and I know what assets I can bring," Kadri said. "My style of game is very suitable for the Toronto Maple Leafs and I think it will stay that way.


"By the same token I have a lot to prove. I know deep down inside – and I don’t know if anybody else believes this – but I believe I can be one of those top centers for a team. It may take a little bit of time, but I think I definitely have the potential to be that and more. Right now it lies in my hands. I’m doing everything I can to work hard and make that next step to make me an explosive player. I think the reason I’m not talked about in that scenario is because of how young I am. They say the middle of the ice is a little difficult to play when you are this young. I am a natural centre at heart and I see myself making that transition back with no problem."

When asked about Kadri during the spring, Eakins said people tend to be impatient with young players.

"Especially when you are the team’s first round pick, everyone is in a massive hurry," Eakins told sportsnet.ca. "People say, ‘Put him in now! Put him in now! Put him in now!’ We want to put him in when he’s ready. He has high-end NHL skill, for sure. His hands and his eyes -- the way he sees the ice -- are right up there with the best. You can’t teach that stuff. This isn’t NHL skill; it’s the high end of the NHL skill. He’s 21, but he’s in an 18-year-old’s body and he needs to get stronger and faster."

Discuss...

This is so wrong.

There is no reason to make a "desperation" trade, whatever that means to you. If Burke trades for a legitimate first-line center I wouldn't call that a desperate decision. It's a need that must be filled sooner rather than later. If the opportunity arises, Burke would likely make a trade to improve the club.
- A_Tree

It's not at all.
Burke's tied his own hands...he'll make a trade...even a crappy one and sell it as the plan all along.

Well Bernier's been in the league for a while.... let's just say he's demonstrated more than Reimer or Scrivens wouldn't you agree?
- Scabeh

No, not at all.

He hasn't done anything in the NHL like Reimer did as a rookie, and Scrivens AHL numbers are just as good as Berniers were.

really don't know where you see this. Only thing he has on Either is Bernier was drafted 11th overall, so everyone assumes he's got a higher ceiling. He may have, but no proof he'll reach it yet

they would need a goalie back in a trade, so would you trade Reimer and a 3rd perhaps for Bernier? Not saying they would do this, just asking you if you think the potential difference between the 2 goalies is worth a 3rd
- peddy-93

oh ya, even a 2nd. But not a 1st.

Bernier-Scrivens if all it cost was a 2nd is fine by me (and Remier of course).

(if the other options is Reimer-Scrivens).

They are asking for way too much for him. They want more than what the Preds got for Lindback. They want a first and decent prospect.

They may get that from the Hawks...... Burke is not going to give that up for an uproven goalie. We already have two of our own.
- faceto27

thats too steep then.. if it were reasonable i'd go for it

thats too steep then.. if it were reasonable i'd go for it
- Dozzer

ya but (frank) that... basically they want 1st + Kadri/Frattin.

you could get Lu for that and make them take Komisarek too... and at least then you now what you're getting.

GOOD MORNING ALL!!


Discuss...
- PTVinnyMac

I like Kadris attitude shown there, after all the scrutiny he's taken, its good to see he is still positive with himself and with the Leafs

Don't just leave me hangin?
- Flyfreaky

That's about as much of the story as you get lol. Too lazy to type more.

oh ya, even a 2nd. But not a 1st.

Bernier-Scrivens if all it cost was a 2nd is fine by me (and Remier of course).

(if the other options is Reimer-Scrivens).
- Big_Lightnin

I'd be very content with that, but Burke wouldnt trade Reimer for another unproven goalie, he thinks Reimer is the real deal, so this is all moot

Why trade Reimer + a pick for a goalie as unproven as Reimer?
- mfreedman

Bernier has the higher pedigree. Both uproven I know, but Bernier was an 11th overall pick. He has the potential.

ya but (frank) that... basically they want 1st + Kadri/Frattin.

you could get Lu for that and make them take Komisarek too... and at least then you now what you're getting.
- Big_Lightnin

I know take this with a grain of salt, but didn't Gillis say he won't take a bad contract in return?

I like Kadris attitude shown there, after all the scrutiny he's taken, its good to see he is still positive with himself and with the Leafs
- peddy-93

ya not an ounce of self doubt in there is there
and you know what, that's a good thing.

Lot of people don't like him cause he's cocky - I love that about him. He just needs to back it up... and you get the feeling he will.

GOOD MORNING ALL!!


Discuss...
- PTVinnyMac

If Kadri wants to be one of the top centres int he League he needs to get his ass of Tiwtter and get it into the gym for 6+ hours a day this offseason.

No, not at all.

He hasn't done anything in the NHL like Reimer did as a rookie, and Scrivens AHL numbers are just as good as Berniers were.

really don't know where you see this. Only thing he has on Either is Bernier was drafted 11th overall, so everyone assumes he's got a higher ceiling. He may have, but no proof he'll reach it yet
- Big_Lightnin

It's because he doesn't wear a Leaf jersey.

If Kadri wants to be one of the top centres int he League he needs to get his ass of Tiwtter and get it into the gym for 6+ hours a day this offseason.
- mfreedman

I think flyfreaky should take this advice as well...