if burke trades another lottery pick he should be fired instantly.
- Barx

burke knows better than to move our 1st.

id be ok if he moved our 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th pick, just dont move that 1st.

if burke trades another lottery pick he should be fired instantly.
- Barx

thing there is with Luongo it would be hard to believe Leafs would be in the lottery. He doesn't guarantee playoffs, but he guarantees they'll be in the fight...

thing there is with Luongo it would be hard to believe Leafs would be in the lottery. He doesn't guarantee playoffs, but he guarantees they'll be in the fight...
- Big_Lightnin

this is true.

Lu/Reimer is a combo i could go with for a few years.

as long as burke doesnt move a lot in the trade, if he does, hes an idiot.

Not in this market! You lose three preseason games in a row and the seasons done! Time to pack it in!
- Cfser

Win 4 games to start the year...disaster

thing there is with Luongo it would be hard to believe Leafs would be in the lottery. He doesn't guarantee playoffs, but he guarantees they'll be in the fight...
- Big_Lightnin

I heard a lot of people say this exact same thing when kessel was dealt to the leafs...I disagreed then, and would not gamble again.
Leafs lack grit, leadership, experience...all the ingredients needed to ensure a lottery pick.

burke knows better than to move our 1st.

id be ok if he moved our 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th pick, just dont move that 1st.
- big_dion

chiarelli would argue this.....

chiarelli would argue this.....
- Barx

think he was going with lesson learned there

Its just, Stastny isnt really the kind of guy the Leafs need on their top line, IMO.


- noename09

If you can't get Getzlaf it's a fuk of a lot better than BALLSACK !

I heard a lot of people say this exact same thing when kessel was dealt to the leafs...I disagreed then, and would not gamble again.
Leafs lack grit, leadership, experience...all the ingredients needed to ensure a lottery pick.
- Barx

fair enough, but put Luongo in net last season instead, don't change anything else, and Leafs are no worse than 10th in east.

Lu will steal 3-4 games on his own. Goalies stole nothing last year for the Leafs

think he was going with lesson learned there
- Big_Lightnin

burke is so damn stubborn I don't know that he 'learns his lesson'.

chiarelli would argue this.....
- Barx

Fool me once ....

If Kulemin, Komisarek, and 2013 1st was the offer, there would already be a press conference...
- Big_Lightnin

As much as I would love to see Komisarek gone, we can't give up our first for Luongo until we see some consistency with Leafs staying out of the bottom 10.

fair enough, but put Luongo in net last season instead, don't change anything else, and Leafs are no worse than 10th in east.

Lu will steal 3-4 games on his own. Goalies stole nothing last year for the Leafs
- Big_Lightnin

I hear ya....it's just not a gamble I'd make. No way in hell.
With the Leafs luck, Luo rips his groin apart in pre-season, Riemer gets re-concussed and Scrivens is the number 1.
....then we watch Vancouver proudly select Mackinnon.


no thanks.

Leave out Percy, maybe.

Its just, Stastny isnt really the kind of guy the Leafs need on their top line, IMO.

Maybe Im wrong....who knows...but it seems to me that they need a guy with more grit and size to play with Kessel, and should therefore wait for someone else rather than just settling for Stastny who likely isnt even available.
- noename09

There's only 4-5 guys in the league that fit the description we're really looking for, and none of them are available.

You turned me around on Dubinsky though - think he's a better fit than Stastny... however he's only really "available" in the sense he will be the center piece of any trade Rangers make for Ryan/Nash/? - can't see him being had for Bozak-MAcArther kind of packages...

As much as I would love to see Komisarek gone, we can't give up our first for Luongo until we see some consistency with Leafs staying out of the bottom 10.
- p_zub

oh hell ya I'm completely against it, and I think Burke goes with Reimer-Scrivens before trading the 1st...

poop I don't even want to give them Kulemin

I hear ya....it's just not a gamble I'd make. No way in hell.
With the Leafs luck, Luo rips his groin apart in pre-season, Riemer gets re-concussed and Scrivens is the number 1.
....then we watch Vancouver proudly select Mackinnon.


no thanks.
- Barx

Don't even....

Win 4 games to start the year...disaster
- AdamFrench

I hear ya....it's just not a gamble I'd make. No way in hell.
With the Leafs luck, Luo rips his groin apart in pre-season, Riemer gets re-concussed and Scrivens is the number 1.
....then we watch Vancouver proudly select Mackinnon.


no thanks.
- Barx

if vancouver wants anything more than a middle range prospect and a salary dump then burke should walk away.

if vancouver wants anything more than a middle range prospect and a salary dump then burke should walk away.
- Dozzer

Please mail this to Burke AND Nonis.

Leave out Percy, maybe.

Its just, Stastny isnt really the kind of guy the Leafs need on their top line, IMO.

Maybe Im wrong....who knows...but it seems to me that they need a guy with more grit and size to play with Kessel, and should therefore wait for someone else rather than just settling for Stastny who likely isnt even available.
- noename09

If Kessel and Lupul continue to put up solid numbers like last year, we don't have any problems from a scoring perspective from our top line.

Adding a Stastny greatly improves our defensive abilities, is as good as Bozak on the draw (middle of the pack), and has outstanding vision/playmaking abilities.

He's also about the same size as Bozak (listed a bit heavier, but an inch shorter).

I'd love to see Stastny centering our top line. It's one of the few center trades out there that makes sense to everyone, so unless we expect JVR to be that center we've needed since Sundin, or Colborne makes the jump.

The only other option we have is to wait for Getzlaf to hit FA next year or hopefully pry him out of ANA, but I'm doubtful that's going to happen, not until trade deadline and ANA (on the outside looking in likely) decides that they're not going to resign him and will try to fetch a hefty return for his services. At that point, there will be a ton of teams wanting him. I really think he resigns there along with Perry and that's why Ryan is being shopped to make financial room for both their raises.

Dubinsky is a possibility too, but I don't know if I see #1 center there.

if vancouver wants anything more than a middle range prospect and a salary dump then burke should walk away.
- Dozzer

What the hell is a middle range prospect?

What the hell is a middle range prospect?
- AdamFrench

Somewhere between Nail and DiDominico.

If Kessel and Lupul continue to put up solid numbers like last year, we don't have any problems from a scoring perspective from our top line.

Adding a Stastny greatly improves our defensive abilities, is as good as Bozak on the draw (middle of the pack), and has outstanding vision/playmaking abilities.

He's also about the same size as Bozak (listed a bit heavier, but an inch shorter).

I'd love to see Stastny centering our top line. It's one of the few center trades out there that makes sense to everyone, so unless we expect JVR to be that center we've needed since Sundin, or Colborne makes the jump.

The only other option we have is to wait for Getzlaf to hit FA next year or hopefully pry him out of ANA, but I'm doubtful that's going to happen, not until trade deadline and ANA (on the outside looking in likely) decides that they're not going to resign him and will try to fetch a hefty return for his services. At that point, there will be a ton of teams wanting him. I really think he resigns there along with Perry and that's why Ryan is being shopped to make financial room for both their raises.

Dubinsky is a possibility too, but I don't know if I see #1 center there.
- gravyface

the only jump colborne is making is third line to the second line.....with the marlies.

if vancouver wants anything more than a middle range prospect and a salary dump then burke should walk away.
- Dozzer

thats all burke has.....we haven't had an elite talent, or elite prospect in half a decade.

What the hell is a middle range prospect?
- AdamFrench

one step up from free range