At this point, I'd really only sign a UFA winger. I think there's a reason Semin is still on the open market. If they could get him to take a 1 or two year contract, I'd be ok with it. Doan would be a fantastic addition, but doesn't sound like he wants to come East.

The Defence still worries me a lot. Without adding someone to at least replace Carle, It horrifies me to think if Timonen went down. I also didn't want to throw Schenn into a 3/4 dman role just yet. I'd like to see him grow into it unlike what happened in T dot.

Otherwise I like our team.. Leighton will assure 4 reg season wins vs the Habs and will allow me to continue to torture the Habs fans I am surrounded by at work!!
- Hextall271

I might be crazy but I like the Flyers defense. They can always trade a third rounder and acquire a defenseman (like Grossmann) before the trade deadline. I just dont want to deal for a winger b/c its going to cost too much. Semin on the other hand costs nothing but money.

I dont think Morrow is a good fit here, especially at the cost of simmonds... who is almost the same type of player now with more upside, or read, a cheap, fast, scoring forward that is decent on defense. Just not what this team needs at the moment. You have your big wingers in Hartnell, Simmonds, and Voracek. Morrow is not a need that has to be filled just to make it look like they did something in the off-season....

No one will be offered a contract out of this camp but a couple undrafted players may earn invites to training camp in September.

Among the undrafted guys who are there this week, Clapperton and Hamonic are the ones who really looks like they may have pro caliber skill -- but it's hard to tell until they at least have the two scrimmages this weekend.

My concern with Clapperton is that he is smaller than even his listed 5-foot-9. When you see him walking around after the on-ice sessions, he looks like he's about 12 years old both facially and physically. If he's 5-foot-9, it's with his skates on. But he sure can dart around with the puck on his stick and it's clear he has good hands.

Hamonic is already fairly mature physically despite being 18 years old. When they do drills where players jockey for position with defensemen in front of the net, Hamonic can pretty much clear the porch at will against some of the less physically mature kids. (BTW you should see the mismatches against Oliver Lauridsen --- that's a bit of a reality check for some of these kids).
- bmeltzer

I said the same thing about Clapperton Monday. No way he is 5'9". Very skilled tho.

of the signed Phantom kids I thought Harper looked good on Monday. of course he is one of the older guys so that probably helps. Also was impressed with Mangene at times.

I'm going again on Sat and Sun.

i agree with you on defense. When are guys in here going to realize that you cant have six top 4 defenseman with the cap lol.

Are they asking now?

If these players aren't crap, which I obnoxiously and erroneously suggested, what is the best we could get in a deal now?

Our crap for Morrow? Some of our crap plus 2 1st rounders and a 2nd for Nash?

What's real in the HB participant's minds?
- Daman

I think that Bill assesment for Morrow is correct, that it'd take Simmonds or Read and a pick. Joe Nieuwendyk said either yesterday or this morning that the only way Morrow is traded is if it's an overpayment.

Some of the rumored Ryan deals feature Cousins as one of the pieces. Guys like MAB and Gustafsson probably have more value to the Flyers as player than in trade, but you're not likely to land first line type players for a handful of depth guys and picks.

nice write up Bill

Like Morrow but he needs to be healthy

I dont think Morrow is a good fit here, especially at the cost of simmonds... who is almost the same type of player now with more upside, or read, a cheap, fast, scoring forward that is decent on defense. Just not what this team needs at the moment. You have your big wingers in Hartnell, Simmonds, and Voracek. Morrow is not a need that has to be filled just to make it look like they did something in the off-season....
- RooNosHockey

We'd score like mad in the Reg season and get shut down come playoffs with no D.
- Hextall271

To clarify, you're saying those forwards are all defensive liabilities? Because the only ones I might consider such are Briere and Semin.

I dont think Morrow is a good fit here, especially at the cost of simmonds... who is almost the same type of player now with more upside, or read, a cheap, fast, scoring forward that is decent on defense. Just not what this team needs at the moment. You have your big wingers in Hartnell, Simmonds, and Voracek. Morrow is not a need that has to be filled just to make it look like they did something in the off-season....
- RooNosHockey

Exactly im sick of trading young guys for over 30 guys that have injury problems....if its someone in their prime like Ryan than ok....

I think that Bill assesment for Morrow is correct, that it'd take Simmonds or Read and a pick. Joe Nieuwendyk said either yesterday or this morning that the only way Morrow is traded is if it's an overpayment.

Some of the rumored Ryan deals feature Cousins as one of the pieces. Guys like MAB and Gustafsson probably have more value to the Flyers as player than in trade, but you're not likely to land first line type players for a handful of depth guys and picks.
- Jsaquella

This is why I would rather go after Semin for a year or two. Keep all assets and picks for the trade deadline.

At this point, the re-signing of Voracek is paramount.

Throw a few offers out to the remaining free agents (Doan, 1-year offer to Semin). If they don't bite, which is the overwhelming probability, then gear up for the season.

Hartnell - G - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
Rusty - Couts - Read
Rinaldo - Max - Wellwood
Big Tom

Let the core develop and try to strike gold at the deadline. With an attractive crop of 2013 UFA's, teams might be looking to unload before July 1st - especially if they are out of the playoff race. If the Flyers enter the season without seeping into LTIR, they would be able to utilize a pro-rated contract.

If Anaheim falters, maybe a Perry or Getzlaf becomes available. Perhaps Iginla (how cool would it be to see him finally lift the Cup, and in a Flyers sweater nonetheless?).

DO IT HOMER

Hartnell - G - Ryan
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
Rusty - Couts - Talbot
Sestito- ?????- Wellwood

At this point, the re-signing of Voracek is paramount.

Throw a few offers out to the remaining free agents (Doan, 1-year offer to Semin). If they don't bite, which is the overwhelming probability, then gear up for the season.

Hartnell - G - Voracek
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
Rusty - Couts - Read
Rinaldo - Max - Wellwood
Big Tom

Let the core develop and try to strike gold at the deadline. With an attractive crop of 2013 UFA's, teams might be looking to unload before July 1st - especially if they are out of the playoff race. If the Flyers enter the season without seeping into LTIR, they would be able to utilize a pro-rated contract.

If Anaheim falters, maybe a Perry or Getzlaf becomes available. Perhaps Iginla (how cool would it be to see him finally lift the Cup, and in a Flyers sweater nonetheless?).
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

Hey boom - absent any moves, I agree with your lineup. Well done.
I have said the same thing about Anaheim faltering. You sound like a very intelligent person.

Hey boom - absent any moves, I agree with your lineup. Well done.
I have said the same thing about Anaheim faltering. You sound like a very intelligent person.
- Daman

I'm not, just drunk.

At this point, the re-signing of Voracek is paramount.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

I've been saying this for weeks. I'm still shocked that JvR for Schenn happened.

If Anaheim falters, maybe a Perry or Getzlaf becomes available. Perhaps Iginla (how cool would it be to see him finally lift the Cup, and in a Flyers sweater nonetheless?).
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

Are you prepared to give up Schenn, Couturier, or Voracek to get Perry or Getzlaff? Otherwise, what do the Flyers have to offer Anaheim for those players?

I know that Morrow's health is a question mark, but if he's healthy, he could be a great pick up. He's got leadership and the ability to score. I've always liked him even when I watched him as a Portland Winterhawk. With the injury issue, he could be possibly be had for a lower price, since he is now considered a 3rd line guy in Dallas. He is a tough and gritty player, which is the kind of player that will help.

To clarify, you're saying those forwards are all defensive liabilities? Because the only ones I might consider such are Briere and Semin.
- BulliesPhan87

And even Semin has improved tenfold over the last couple of years. Briere not so much but that's okay if everyone else is responsible defensively.

Its certainly a possibility that you may be "wrong". Naturally, we don't need such a player, which is why is used quotations, but I see this as a hole on our team.

I don't like Schenn at all on the third line. I don't like Voracek on the top line. I like Read and Simmonds on the third line - making it a very well rounded, skilled, checking group. Just my opinions though. However, I would imagine that our GM is looking at adding that top line winger. Wouldn't you agree?
- Daman

He did try to make additions, but at the same time, I dont think they are going to go all in to get a "1st line rw". They will flirt with ideas, sure. Doesnt mean they are looking to add a top line winger right now.

I honestly dont think this team has a hole to fill. They are solid top to bottom.

I also dont look at line as 1-2-3... So schenn on the "3rd line" to me is Schenn on a solid checking line that will also produce offensively. Also, lines are likely to change 45 times by thursday. I think putting Simmonds and Read with Briere creates a more stable two way line.

Are you prepared to give up Schenn, Couturier, or Voracek to get Perry or Getzlaff? Otherwise, what do the Flyers have to offer Anaheim for those players?
- MJL

At this point no, but I'd like to see how the season plays out. Obviously, barring a trade they will become free agents on July 1st anyways - so no reason to overpay. But it is an option, nonetheless.

Are you prepared to give up Schenn, Couturier, or Voracek to get Perry or Getzlaff? Otherwise, what do the Flyers have to offer Anaheim for those players?
- MJL

Schenn/Couts No....Voracek Maybe.

Are you prepared to give up Schenn, Couturier, or Voracek to get Perry or Getzlaff? Otherwise, what do the Flyers have to offer Anaheim for those players?
- MJL

On top of it... they are UFA's after next season right? Wouldnt it suck something big to lose out on Schenn or Couts or Voracek for a 2 month rental?

At this point no, but I'd like to see how the season plays out. Obviously, barring a trade they will become free agents on July 1st anyways - so no reason to overpay. But it is an option, nonetheless.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

Your not going to get Perry or Getzlaff at the trade deadline cheaply. You will have to drastically overpay to get either player, who are top players in this League.

DO IT HOMER

Hartnell - G - Ryan
Schenn - Briere - Simmonds
Rusty - Couts - Talbot
Sestito- ?????- Wellwood
- Philly1980

So you honestly think that Read and Voracek for Ryan improves the club?

Your not going to get Perry or Getzlaff at the trade deadline cheaply. You will have to drastically overpay to get either player, who are top players in this League.
- MJL

Especially because 15-20 other playoff or fringe teams are gonna wanna get in on them as well..