Gotta say, if the Flyers traded Giroux I think they lose all confidence from future potential stars looking to re-sign. I mean you gotta plant your flag with someone sooner or later, can'be trading all these franchise guys so soon.

I agree it's close. I just think Weber gives you better consistency towards the cup. Again, we would still have Briere, Schenn and Coots down the middle.

Weber, Timmo, Mez, Coby, Grossmann, and Schenn. That is sick.

Bryz would be great in this situation IMO.

We would have Harts and Voracek and Read and Simmonds at wing. Would need a little more, but I'll take that.
- Daman

At the end of the day, there is no such thing as building a championship team. All you can hope to do is build a contender. Everything has to fall into place to win a Cup: star players need to play at their normally high level or beyond, role players need to be consistent and more often then not one or two need to step up and play above their normal level, defense needs to be tight and the goalie needs to usually needs to play beyond their average level.

Gotta say, if the Flyers traded Giroux I think they lose all confidence from future potential stars looking to re-sign. I mean you gotta plant your flag with someone sooner or later, can'be trading all these franchise guys so soon.
- JoeRussomanno

I agree Joe. I think thats why Giroux will begin and finish his career in a Flyers uniform.

I'm trying to get Weber on the cheap...

Chances are they could wait until next summer and just sign him without losing any players if you believe he will test the market.
- stveshdy

Would you be ok with a 10 year, 110 mil deal?

That could be the case. The difference is the Flyers dont need to trade Giroux but the Preds may be forced to trade Weber. So the Flyers can put a nice offer together without giving up their superstar. They still have Schenn and Couturier to start a package with.
- stveshdy

I've said before that I'd offer up Schenn, Couturier, Read, Voracek, Meszaros and 3 1sts for Weber if need be. He would have a greater contribution to the team than those guys but not Giroux, especially from a team PR standpoint. Fans would be outraged if G was dealt. Gotta take the business side into account as well.

Would you be ok with a 10 year, 110 mil deal?
- jak521

I think the Flyers would. I think they would add two years to your proposal to bring down the cap hit.

Random thought of the day:

Why does the guy that posts as the "fat man in the box" never post in the Flyer threads?

Gotta say, if the Flyers traded Giroux I think they lose all confidence from future potential stars looking to re-sign. I mean you gotta plant your flag with someone sooner or later, can'be trading all these franchise guys so soon.
- JoeRussomanno

Why is this even being discussed?

Giroux will be a Flyer for the next decade plus.

I've said before that I'd offer up Schenn, Couturier, Read, Voracek, Meszaros and 3 1sts for Weber if need be. He would have a greater contribution to the team than those guys but not Giroux, especially from a team PR standpoint. Fans would be outraged if G was dealt. Gotta take the business side into account as well.
- NickTheKid87

I wouldnt trade that much for him. Not sure if you would either.

I think the Flyers would. I think they would add two years to your proposal to bring down the cap hit.
- stveshdy

The benchmark should be the Crosby deal. 12 yrs, $98 mill please. Sign me up.

I've said before that I'd offer up Schenn, Couturier, Read, Voracek, Meszaros and 3 1sts for Weber if need be. He would have a greater contribution to the team than those guys but not Giroux, especially from a team PR standpoint. Fans would be outraged if G was dealt. Gotta take the business side into account as well.
- NickTheKid87

I wouldn't move Giroux or Couturier for Weber. Anybody else is fair game.

The benchmark should be the Crosby deal. 12 yrs, $98 mill please. Sign me up.
- LordStanley88

Crosby gave Pittsburgh a discount. Weber is going to command over $100M.

I wouldnt trade that much for him. Not sure if you would either.
- stveshdy

If that's what it took I would. However, if Nashville is pressed, I think they'd take something along the lines of Schenn, Couturier and a few 1sts for Weber. There will be other suitors as well. The price will be fairly high.

Why is this even being discussed?

Giroux will be a Flyer for the next decade plus.
- LordStanley88

cause someone asked if we'd trade Giroux for Weber. Could also swap out that name with Richards a few years ago too.

Random thought of the day:

Why does the guy that posts as the "fat man in the box" never post in the Flyer threads?
- Daman

is that also u?

I think the Flyers would. I think they would add two years to your proposal to bring down the cap hit.
- stveshdy

I would rather keep it the higher cap then extend it.. Hes what? 26-27... Give him 10 years.. you give him 12 your looking at a 10 mill hit for a 39 year old.. thats where it gets dicey..

EDIT: But it wouldnt be a over 35 deal, so never mind

cause someone asked if we'd trade Giroux for Weber. Could also swap out that name with Richards a few years ago too.
- JoeRussomanno

Even for Weber, it's a staunch no. Giroux isn't going anywhere, and you'd be on crack to think otherwise.

Random thought of the day:

Why does the guy that posts as the "fat man in the box" never post in the Flyer threads?
- Daman

I would say our quota is full here.

The benchmark should be the Crosby deal. 12 yrs, $98 mill please. Sign me up.
- LordStanley88

Crosby got a discount price. $8.7 million AAV for his new deal is the same as his old and the cap increased by $6 million. Weber will get closer to $9 million per.

EDIT: Giroux will probably give us a slight discount I would think. Probably less of one than Sid though.

Crosby gave Pittsburgh a discount. Weber is going to command over $100M.
- stveshdy

And Giroux won't give us a slight discount? Why not?

cause someone asked if we'd trade Giroux for Weber. Could also swap out that name with Richards a few years ago too.
- JoeRussomanno

I would've done Richie for Weber. Richards was never even close to Giroux talent wise in his prime.

Crosby got a discount price. $8.7 million AAV for his new deal is the same as his old and the cap increased by $6 million. Weber will get closer to $9 million per.
- NickTheKid87

Those numbers were for a Giroux extension.

I realize Weber will cost $100+ mill in FA.

If that's what it took I would. However, if Nashville is pressed, I think they'd take something along the lines of Schenn, Couturier and a few 1sts for Weber. There will be other suitors as well. The price will be fairly high.
- NickTheKid87

As much as I love Weber there is no way I could give all that up for him. Hes one player that will have a high cap hit. Your team would be shredded if you made that deal of Schenn, Couturier, Read, Voracek, Mez and 3 1st rounders. Thats a big time overpayment IMO.

The benchmark should be the Crosby deal. 12 yrs, $98 mill please. Sign me up.
- LordStanley88

not to nitpick, but crosby got 104.4 mil

I would've done Richie for Weber. Richards was never even close to Giroux talent wise in his prime.
- NickTheKid87

Agreed, which is why I'd include Schenn in a package for Weber.