See, Calgary, Kiprusoff.

Pretty sure they still traded him to the Leafs.

Let me double check.

Yup, they did.
- Two_For_Truth

Ah yes. The goalie you thought is still a Vezina caliber goalie.. because he won it 6 years ago.



Too easy UG, way too easy.

What really aggravated me about Burke this year, was his inability to do what needed doing, at the draft. Could we have not found a way to move up to second or third, from the five hole and fix our number 1 centre problem? Could we not have put a package of a good prospect and a roster player to move up two or three spots? We ruined a chance to get our number one centre, because he could not be proactive and show the fanbase that there was effort there. It would have gone a long way, to sooth the apprehension of the suffering fanbase. It would have been a powerful symbol. He failed! Could have done the same in round 2 and moved up into the 22 range and grabbed a goaltender. Again, another sybol that he was addressing the needs of this team. Many will say that it was a good draft, but I think that it could have been a turning point of this franchise, if he had been proactive. He missed a great opportunity here. Madness......just madness!!!
- JohnnyReb

I honestly don't think there was much of chance to move up to grab Galchenyuk. Not gonna get the 3rd from MTL cause they were going for him all way way, Columbus need that top end pick cause they had a horrible season and lost the draft lotto, so it would've taken a lot to get that one. EDM might have given it up, but 5th to first is a huge jump and again, it would've taken a lot to get there, I dont think the Leafs even have the pieces. The goalie move was a miscalcualtion, they could've grabbed one but thought they would fall lower to the 2nd round. But they got Finn and I'm good with that.

See, Calgary, Kiprusoff.

Pretty sure they still traded him to the Leafs.

Let me double check.

Yup, they did.
- Two_For_Truth

that was because of a fight in the locker room letsnot distort facts, Iginla was the leader, Phaneuf was out the second that happened

Leafs had a shot at an on the fly rebuild with the muskoka five...remember that>>>>??? 5 no trades 5 no dice, we could have rebuilt in a single year....se la vie
- MindFr3eak

Yeah, and my comments on that, got me a ban for life, over at TMLFan too!

Leafs had a shot at an on the fly rebuild with the muskoka five...remember that>>>>??? 5 no trades 5 no dice, we could have rebuilt in a single year....se la vie
- MindFr3eak

Still stings... That was back when people were still giving away 1st rounders at the deadline like nothing. Probably could've got a first rounder for each of the 5, plus young roster players.

Dougie and Wendel back then.....a pair of aces. I don't see anything that resembles one or either of these, on the current team or in the minors.
- JohnnyReb

Team lacks heart like those guys had. Dougie was a hometown boy that knew what the fans felt, and busted his ass for us. Wendel bled blue and white for the team that drafted him first overall.

I know you won't agree but I think Dion gets it too. But he has yet to impact the rest of the team. Sundin was talented but lacked it and that's why evn though he holds many Leaf records he is not held in such high regard.

I honestly don't think there was much of chance to move up to grab Galchenyuk. Not gonna get the 3rd from MTL cause they were going for him all way way, Columbus need that top end pick cause they had a horrible season and lost the draft lotto, so it would've taken a lot to get that one. EDM might have given it up, but 5th to first is a huge jump and again, it would've taken a lot to get there, I dont think the Leafs even have the pieces. The goalie move was a miscalcualtion, they could've grabbed one but thought they would fall lower to the 2nd round. But they got Finn and I'm good with that.
- 13sundin13

Too many defencemen already in the system. We needed a centre and a goaltender and got neither. I still think a Gunnerson/Kadri and 5th for the 2nd would have done it! Sure, many here would scream overpayment.......but is it? Kadri may very well be a good player, but he also could be a bust too. Gunnerson is replaceable, with all of the defensive talent that this team already has. Number 1 centres are very hard to trade for. Easier to move up and draft one.

People who complain about the leafs not making big moves or signings are probably the same people who complained about the kessel deal, if i were burke id be confused as (frank) by the fan reactions.

Still stings... That was back when people were still giving away 1st rounders at the deadline like nothing. Probably could've got a first rounder for each of the 5, plus young roster players.
- 13sundin13

That's why I have no respect for Sundin. If he would have waived, the rest would have followed. Sure, it's his right to not waive, but if he loved this franchise, as much as he said that he did, he would have read the writing on the wall and would have been seen as the player that helped the Leafs get back to respectability. Instead, he'll be remembered as the player that sunk this franchise for a decade. The Leafs paid him 100 million dollars over the years that he played in this city. He could have gave back something to the fans that made him rich. He'll never be forgiven! His acolytes, I feel the same, but at a lower level.

People who complain about the leafs not making big moves or signings are probably the same people who complained about the kessel deal, if i were burke id be confused as (frank) by the fan reactions.
- matt26

The kessel trade was nessicary, whether it was kessel or another high profile 5 year contract burke needed a base to build on, a franchise type player, he didntknow we would be giving up a second overall pick no one did.

Sundin owed the Leafs nothing

That's why I have no respect for Sundin. If he would have waived, the rest would have followed. Sure, it's his right to not waive, but if he loved this franchise, as much as he said that he did, he would have read the writing on the wall and would have been seen as the player that helped the Leafs get back to respectability. Instead, he'll be remembered as the player that sunk this franchise for a decade. The Leafs paid him 100 million dollars over the years that he played in this city. He could have gave back something to the fans that made him rich. He'll never be forgiven! His acolytes, I feel the same, but at a lower level.
- JohnnyReb

This has alot to do with why I am not a sundin fan, he went elsewhere anyways he could have hooked us up, if he had have waived so would the other 4 have waived.

Sundin owed the Leafs nothing
- TheFondler

I been drinking heavily, say that again tomorrow to me please

The kessel trade was nessicary, whether it was kessel or another high profile 5 year contract burke needed a base to build on, a franchise type player, he didntknow we would be giving up a second overall pick no one did.
- MindFr3eak

Im not against the kessel trade im saying that the fans want a big trade but do not realize what we have to give up in order to receive a caliber player such as kessel.

Too many defencemen already in the system. We needed a centre and a goaltender and got neither. I still think a Gunnerson/Kadri and 5th for the 2nd would have done it! Sure, many here would scream overpayment.......but is it? Kadri may very well be a good player, but he also could be a bust too. Gunnerson is replaceable, with all of the defensive talent that this team already has. Number 1 centres are very hard to trade for. Easier to move up and draft one.
- JohnnyReb

I don't think it would have done it. I think teams wanted Gardiner, I don't know that Gunnersson could have been sold to the Columbus market. Gardiner and the 5th might have done it, but the kid we got is pretty skilled, and if not hurt might have been drafted in the first spot. A point per game or more defenseman? Wow!! Galchenuyk is in the same boat, hurt for most of the season with huge upside. But remember they could have each had lousy seasons or playoffs and slid like Grigs that went to Buffalo. The cream is in the coming draft. I'd take one more crappy year of losing if the kids get some experience and we draft top 3.

Im not against the kessel trade im saying that the fans want a big trade but do not realize what we have to give up in order to receive a caliber player such as kessel.
- matt26

I fully understood why he did it, we hadnothing in the minors to offer, we had to start somewhere, burke underestimated the team forsure, but wegot the high impact player he wanted us to have and if he doesnt sign a contract extension we will get back close to what we gave up for an 80 point player and now were in a much better position than we were then....

I fully understood why he did it, we hadnothing in the minors to offer, we had to start somewhere, burke underestimated the team forsure, but wegot the high impact player he wanted us to have and if he doesnt sign a contract extension we will get back close to what we gave up for an 80 point player and now were in a much better position than we were then....
- MindFr3eak

Process is slow but it's coming together if we stay on track, Burke is a Richardweed but a smart one.

Process is slow but it's coming together if we stay on track, Burke is a Richardweed but a smart one.
- MindFr3eak

Burke is not jumping at a trade he is waiting out better deals. The bad part of being a GM in Toronto is that the media and the fan base lack patience and scream for your head when you lack results. There are pokers in the fire right now and Burke is having the patience and balls to wait them out. He's shown the past couple years that he won't take a bad deal because the media and the fan base need a deal. He waited out Kaberle and Schenn deals till he got what he could. He did pretty good for Phaneuf and Lupul too. Gardiner was a hell of a pickup.

When it comes to dealing I want Burkie on my side.

Burke is not jumping at a trade he is waiting out better deals. The bad part of being a GM in Toronto is that the media and the fan base lack patience and scream for your head when you lack results. There are pokers in the fire right now and Burke is having the patience and balls to wait them out. He's shown the past couple years that he won't take a bad deal because the media and the fan base need a deal. He waited out Kaberle and Schenn deals till he got what he could. He did pretty good for Phaneuf and Lupul too. Gardiner was a hell of a pickup.

When it comes to dealing I want Burkie on my side.
- stevecarpetman

Agreed, only thing Is I wish he would change his 1960's thinking stubborness a bit

Let's see how well Weber does now that Suter isnt there to clean up his defensive mistakes, okay UG?


Or, better yet, lets put Phaneuf on a defensive team, and put a Vezina calibre goalie behind him.
- jbold

Too many defencemen already in the system. We needed a centre and a goaltender and got neither. I still think a Gunnerson/Kadri and 5th for the 2nd would have done it! Sure, many here would scream overpayment.......but is it? Kadri may very well be a good player, but he also could be a bust too. Gunnerson is replaceable, with all of the defensive talent that this team already has. Number 1 centres are very hard to trade for. Easier to move up and draft one.
- JohnnyReb

The Islanders offered every single pick they had for the 2nd. I don't think that would have been enough.

Burke could get that player for sure, but do you honestly want him to spend 2 1sts, Kulemin, Colborne + to get him? You want Burke to address a need without gutting the team. Impossible. If it was, he would have done it by now.

Sundin owed the Leafs nothing
- TheFondler

No he didn't, I know all the reasonings, but looking back at how it all went down with him going to Van for a half season, it just worked out in the worst possible way for the Leafs. Even if he stayed and two of the other guys waived, the Leafs couldve had a great jumpstart ot a rebuild.

- GuyLaDouche

His time in Calgary never happened.

Weber without Suter is a broken man.

His time in Calgary never happened.

Weber without Suter is a broken man.
- Two_For_Truth

This place is better with you around.

No he didn't, I know all the reasonings, but looking back at how it all went down with him going to Van for a half season, it just worked out in the worst possible way for the Leafs. Even if he stayed and two of the other guys waived, the Leafs couldve had a great jumpstart ot a rebuild.
- 13sundin13

The worst part was when he said he didn't want to join a team half way through the season and then did exactly that in Vancouver. Even if the Leafs got one half decent prospect, it's better than nothing.