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chromeboy007
Joined: 03.03.2010

Jul 10 @ 10:48 PM ET
No. Thats not ok for Boston. The bruins need more skills up front, but with the cap where it is at, there isn't much anyone can do.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jul 10 @ 11:00 PM ET
Was merely pointing out that in the blog, Ty seems to be saying its a good thing they didnt drop 100 mil on parise, because those type of long large contracts aren't liked by the bruins.

How are you going to compete for free agents when every team has that type of offer. The wild weren't the only team that was dying to throw money at those free agents.

If Boston is never willing to lock some players up eventually they'll bleed out their talent. Bergeron, lucic, Seguin are all fantastic players that would be highly sought after on the open market. I don't think they'll get parise money, but they'll certainly hit a nice payday. Boston is going to need to come up with a similar offer, or hope player after player is willing to not take the long expensive contracts just to play in Boston.

I never once said anything about the teams overall salary. They are a balanced team with good depth, but that only works when you can can spread out the money.

- Putzfrau


You don't need to drop tons of money on UFAs to compete. The B's have a pretty well rounded group of young players and prospects. They haven't been throwing out draft picks left and right. They can fill from within.
TheJerseyDevil1
New Jersey Devils
Location: Brick City, NJ
Joined: 10.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 5:53 AM ET
What's going on with Savard's contract? If he retires would it come off the books? If so, why hasn't he retired yet? Would he lose money he would've otherwise got to keep if he retires? Either way, this sounds like a poop situation.
abolton
Boston Bruins
Location: NH
Joined: 07.14.2006

Jul 11 @ 8:34 AM ET
Ty Anderson: No Parise, No Nash, and that's OK for Boston
- tyanderson



Agree! Only way I would agree to taking on the overrated/overpaid Nash would be for a trade like Thomas/Horton/ and a 1st. Thats the highest I would be willing to pay.

Feel bad for Columbus - I really dont think they'll get what they hope for for Nash. His contract is killing his value. That and the fact that yea he was a #1.... but hes never cracked 80 points on a team where theres no pressure and 'hes the man'. I would be surprised if he could crack 60 consistently playing in Juliens defensive style. At that point he would be no more effective than Nathan Horton.... who we have for far less risk.

Thanks but no thanks.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Jul 11 @ 9:08 AM ET
I have always thought Nash wasn't the answer for this club. How do you sit down Big Z and say Hey... so were bringing in a guy who is whining his way out of CBJ on a contract HE SIGNED that is completely ridiculous. Sorry Z not only is that worth more than yours but his skills are declining as he approaches the wrong side of 30, Enjoy! Howson should be fired for that albatross alone never mind the state of that putrid excuse for a hockey team.

I would have loved for the B's to sign Parise but it was never a reality. The money is one thing(it's not my money), but a 13 year deal for a kid in his late twenties with a reconstructed knee? (frank) him, and (frank) that! That contract will haunt Minny in 5 years. See Luongo, Roberto;DiPietro, Rick; Bryzgalov, Ilya;Yashin, Alexei.

My biggest issue with this team is how right now Milan Lucic and David Krejci are still considered top line guys. Lucic with his total lack of playoff production and Krejci who is fitting the protoypical euro attitude now that he has cashed in. Goonning it up and coasting doesn't win a playoff round boys. Why Julien never demoted Lucic when he juggled everyone else is beyond me.He must have confused consistency(see Bergeron, Patrice) with taking games off. Lucic and Krejci are a smashing success there. These two should be demoted and forced to earn their top line ice time back. The lack of accountability for these two absolutley sucks.
TheGreatNumber8
Boston Bruins
Location: MA
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jul 11 @ 9:15 AM ET
Nash and Parise were never realistic for the Bruins. We know this. What I am interested in is what the team does plan to do from here out.I agree with almost everything in this blog, but I would still like to see a move or two.

As far as a big move, the only possible thing I could see the Bruins exploring would be a trade for Bobby Ryan built around David Krejci. The only way I would do this if I were PeteC is if: (1) I believed Seguin could play center (I don't think a top three centers of Berg-Pev-Kelly is good enough offensively to win a Cup); and (2) the Ducks didn't insist on Hamilton being included. Word is the Ducks are looking for a second line center, and Krejci is really a perfect fit as that. The cap hits are similar, and the Bruins would really benefit from Ryan. I would explore this so long as the two caveats above are satisfied.

As far as the MUCH more likely minor move this team could make, I would love to see them add a third line winger-type player, who could also make a difference on the power play. Basically, I am talking about Tomas Holmstrom. Yes he is a big long in the tooth and probably will just re-up in detroit, but wouldn't he be an ideal fit for this team! He would slide nicely onto that third line (in Pouliot's old spot), and would bring something to the second power play unit (net presence) that nobody else on this team brings. He makes a ton of sense, I just don't know how realistic it is that he: (a) comes here; or (b) stays healthy. Still, that is the type of short term move that would get me excited. Plus, given his age there is no way he plays all 82 games, which would actually give some of the younger guys a chance to show what they can do.

MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 9:23 AM ET
Ty Anderson: No Parise, No Nash, and that's OK for Boston
- tyanderson

It's amazing to me how all of a sudden the Wild organization are now apparently a bunch of idiots for the Parise and Suter signings! Jealousy will get you nothing but a one and done in the playoffs at best there TY!

You mentioned the lowly Wild line ups beyond the top 3, yet I believe it was an injury stricken line up of nobodies last Feb. that Shut out your beloved Bruins 2 - 0 with goals from something named Chad Rau and Warren Peters! Hmmm. Strange... Thankfully the Bruins got it all going on though and didn't "over pay" anyone to join their franchise... Maybe they can give some more money to Chara instead...
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Jul 11 @ 9:29 AM ET
It's amazing to me how all of a sudden the Wild organization are now apparently a bunch of idiots for the Parise and Suter signings! Jealousy will get you nothing but a one and done in the playoffs at best there TY!

You mentioned the lowly Wild line ups beyond the top 3, yet I believe it was an injury stricken line up of nobodies last Feb. that Shut out your beloved Bruins 2 - 0 with goals from something named Chad Rau and Warren Peters! Hmmm. Strange... Thankfully the Bruins got it all going on though and didn't "over pay" anyone to join their franchise... Maybe they can give some more money to Chara instead...

- MnGump



I wouldn't go that far ,but, your owner did cry poor in April and then in July signs two monster deals on the same day...just a bit of hypocrisy there. Out of the 2 I think Suter was the one more worthy of 13 year risk than Parise. The sole reason being Parise's knee reconstruction. I just think it's ludicrous that any team would give him that deal. I had imagined somewhere around 6 for him.

Also wouldn't you pair Suter with Scandella(who I would take a (frank)ing second btw)?
TheGreatNumber8
Boston Bruins
Location: MA
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jul 11 @ 9:32 AM ET
It's amazing to me how all of a sudden the Wild organization are now apparently a bunch of idiots for the Parise and Suter signings! Jealousy will get you nothing but a one and done in the playoffs at best there TY!

You mentioned the lowly Wild line ups beyond the top 3, yet I believe it was an injury stricken line up of nobodies last Feb. that Shut out your beloved Bruins 2 - 0 with goals from something named Chad Rau and Warren Peters! Hmmm. Strange... Thankfully the Bruins got it all going on though and didn't "over pay" anyone to join their franchise... Maybe they can give some more money to Chara instead...

- MnGump


I don't think the Wild are "a bunch of idiots" at all. They got the two best players on the market and have reinvigorated a moribund franchise.

I do, however, think you are an idiot for suggesting that the money the Bruins spend on Chara is not worthwhile. That is lunacy. This is one of the best players in the game, a consistent Norris Trophy finalist, and he is making nearly a million dollars less than Ryan Suter (whose list of accomplishments comes nowhere close to Chara's). Don't get me wrong, Suter is a fantastic player and I think the Wild were smart to lock him up. But you can't have it both ways. The Wild can't be smart for signing Suter for $7.5 million per, but the Bruins are to be denigrated for signing Chara, the superior player thus far, for less than $7.
Sharktank45
Minnesota Wild
Location: MN
Joined: 09.07.2009

Jul 11 @ 9:50 AM ET
Wild are really top heavy... top 4 of Parise, Koivu, Heatley and Cullen is solid. Top 6 is average... top 9 is terrible... and top 2 D is solid... top 6 is brutal. There is almost no legitimate depth on this team as it stands next year... there may be some guys who will surprise.. but overall... this team will be lucky to make the playoffs. Parise had a very average year last year... and I don't think there have been many cases in the last decade where a EASTERN conference player comes to the WESTERN conference and puts up bigger numbers. So don't be surprised if Parise only puts up about 70 points.

In a few years though... I believe Minny will look very good.. but for the next couple... I woulnd't expect any division titles.

- kneughter




Bottom 6 of:
Brodziak, Mitchell, Clutterbuck, Konopoka, Powe, Kassian, Cullen

No depth?
Sharktank45
Minnesota Wild
Location: MN
Joined: 09.07.2009

Jul 11 @ 9:52 AM ET
Understandable why the Bruins wouldnt want to do these deals.

The Wild needed to do something drastic, makes a lot of sense for the team.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Jul 11 @ 9:56 AM ET
Understandable why the Bruins wouldnt want to do these deals.

The Wild needed to do something drastic, makes a lot of sense for the team.

- Sharktank45


You guys deserved something to get excited about anyway. From what I hear( I date a girl from MN) the Wild have an awesome fan base. So congrats! Maybe someday the B's can smash the Wild in a STC final.
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jul 11 @ 10:37 AM ET
It's amazing to me how all of a sudden the Wild organization are now apparently a bunch of idiots for the Parise and Suter signings! Jealousy will get you nothing but a one and done in the playoffs at best there TY!

You mentioned the lowly Wild line ups beyond the top 3, yet I believe it was an injury stricken line up of nobodies last Feb. that Shut out your beloved Bruins 2 - 0 with goals from something named Chad Rau and Warren Peters! Hmmm. Strange... Thankfully the Bruins got it all going on though and didn't "over pay" anyone to join their franchise... Maybe they can give some more money to Chara instead...

- MnGump


I think this was good for the Wild personally. Glad to see them make a splash and hopefully it pays off for them. I've had some good times in Minneapolis
MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:15 AM ET
I wouldn't go that far ,but, your owner did cry poor in April and then in July signs two monster deals on the same day...just a bit of hypocrisy there. Out of the 2 I think Suter was the one more worthy of 13 year risk than Parise. The sole reason being Parise's knee reconstruction. I just think it's ludicrous that any team would give him that deal. I had imagined somewhere around 6 for him.

Also wouldn't you pair Suter with Scandella(who I would take a (frank)ing second btw)?

- glove_was_stuck

I'm guessing if the Wild wanted to land both, it was a no brainer to offer them the same deals. I think offering anyone a 13 year deal is a gamble no doubt. But the Wild have for years been 2 or 3 pieces away from being a contender even going back to the Lemaire era... Now they are very close IMO depending on how a Granlund, Brodin, Coyle transition into the NHL game.

I'm a huge Scandella fan, I think he's very underrated along with Spurgeon who's dominiative for a D man but very skilled and very fast.

Bottom line for me is that the Wild needed to take this opportunity, whether people feel they overpaid or not, if it turns out to be a complete bust, well, I guess that's a chance they needed to take. At this point, I think most Wild fans would agree, even though I was reluctant myself at first about giving them that much money.

I'm guessing if it were a Detroit or NY or Philly, not quite as many people would be scoffing at the deal.
MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:22 AM ET
I don't think the Wild are "a bunch of idiots" at all. They got the two best players on the market and have reinvigorated a moribund franchise.

I do, however, think you are an idiot for suggesting that the money the Bruins spend on Chara is not worthwhile. That is lunacy. This is one of the best players in the game, a consistent Norris Trophy finalist, and he is making nearly a million dollars less than Ryan Suter (whose list of accomplishments comes nowhere close to Chara's). Don't get me wrong, Suter is a fantastic player and I think the Wild were smart to lock him up. But you can't have it both ways. The Wild can't be smart for signing Suter for $7.5 million per, but the Bruins are to be denigrated for signing Chara, the superior player thus far, for less than $7.

- TheGreatNumber8

I wasn't insinuating Chara isn't the superior D man, just that any player given that kind of money and those kinds of years is a gamble. I don't necessarily think the Wild org is genius, but they were able to land the 2 top FA's and that's something that has never happened EVER in Minnesota sports history. They have never been able to lure big name FA's and this year they get 2. I think they did what any other team with cap space and the motivation to win would have done.
MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:28 AM ET
You guys deserved something to get excited about anyway. From what I hear( I date a girl from MN) the Wild have an awesome fan base. So congrats! Maybe someday the B's can smash the Wild in a STC final.
- glove_was_stuck

It's exciting for sure, especially with this years class of prospects turning pro. Lots of potential if these guys can translate well into the NHL, now hopefully the season starts on time!!! Thanks for the note of positivity! It's appreciated.
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 11 @ 11:48 AM ET
I wasn't insinuating Chara isn't the superior D man, just that any player given that kind of money and those kinds of years is a gamble. I don't necessarily think the Wild org is genius, but they were able to land the 2 top FA's and that's something that has never happened EVER in Minnesota sports history. They have never been able to lure big name FA's and this year they get 2. I think they did what any other team with cap space and the motivation to win would have done.
- MnGump

weber is better
TheGreatNumber8
Boston Bruins
Location: MA
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jul 11 @ 12:09 PM ET
weber is better
- Fountain-San


You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think there is any quantifiable evidence (other than goal scoring) to justify the Weber is better than Chara argument. Chara puts up just as many points as Weber, while posting significantly higher +/- every year, and leading his team to a Stanley Cup. Weber may be better in the next few years as he is much younger, but there is nothing to justify Weber as being the better player right now.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Jul 11 @ 12:13 PM ET
I'm guessing if the Wild wanted to land both, it was a no brainer to offer them the same deals. I think offering anyone a 13 year deal is a gamble no doubt. But the Wild have for years been 2 or 3 pieces away from being a contender even going back to the Lemaire era... Now they are very close IMO depending on how a Granlund, Brodin, Coyle transition into the NHL game.

I'm a huge Scandella fan, I think he's very underrated along with Spurgeon who's dominiative for a D man but very skilled and very fast.

Bottom line for me is that the Wild needed to take this opportunity, whether people feel they overpaid or not, if it turns out to be a complete bust, well, I guess that's a chance they needed to take. At this point, I think most Wild fans would agree, even though I was reluctant myself at first about giving them that much money.

I'm guessing if it were a Detroit or NY or Philly, not quite as many people would be scoffing at the deal.

- MnGump


If it were DET,NY(any of them) or Philly I would be contemplating suicide. You can add TOR or MTL to that list also.
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:24 PM ET
You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think there is any quantifiable evidence (other than goal scoring) to justify the Weber is better than Chara argument. Chara puts up just as many points as Weber, while posting significantly higher +/- every year, and leading his team to a Stanley Cup. Weber may be better in the next few years as he is much younger, but there is nothing to justify Weber as being the better player right now.
- TheGreatNumber8


Pretty sure he meant better than Suter ... and he was playing a bit of silly bugger.
TheGreatNumber8
Boston Bruins
Location: MA
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jul 11 @ 12:41 PM ET
Pretty sure he meant better than Suter ... and he was playing a bit of silly bugger.
- Double_A


If that's the case, then there is no doubt. Suter is a very good defenseman, but he isn't elite just yet. Frankly, I'm not so sure the only elite defenders in the entire NHL right now aren't Weber and Chara (given Lidstrom's retirement). Anyone care to make an argument for any other d-man being "elite"?
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:08 PM ET
You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think there is any quantifiable evidence (other than goal scoring) to justify the Weber is better than Chara argument. Chara puts up just as many points as Weber, while posting significantly higher +/- every year, and leading his team to a Stanley Cup. Weber may be better in the next few years as he is much younger, but there is nothing to justify Weber as being the better player right now.
- TheGreatNumber8


correction.

weber is better than suter.
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:08 PM ET
Pretty sure he meant better than Suter ... and he was playing a bit of silly bugger.
- Double_A

Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:08 PM ET
If that's the case, then there is no doubt. Suter is a very good defenseman, but he isn't elite just yet. Frankly, I'm not so sure the only elite defenders in the entire NHL right now aren't Weber and Chara (given Lidstrom's retirement). Anyone care to make an argument for any other d-man being "elite"?
- TheGreatNumber8

kaberle! LOL.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Jul 11 @ 2:49 PM ET
If that's the case, then there is no doubt. Suter is a very good defenseman, but he isn't elite just yet. Frankly, I'm not so sure the only elite defenders in the entire NHL right now aren't Weber and Chara (given Lidstrom's retirement). Anyone care to make an argument for any other d-man being "elite"?
- TheGreatNumber8


Dennis (frank)ing Wideman
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