Al, you keep saying that but I don't know where you get that data. Boston was pretty much a middle of the road team during the Cup year.

http://www.nhl.com/index....ents/team_corsi_ratings1/

(no idea why but you need to replace nhl with kuklas-korner without the minus)

And they weren't really a negative team during the playoffs

http://www.behindthenet.c...2+33+34+17+20+5+4+6+7+0+3

I mean, the third line was by no means "Bollandesque" but the rest of the team was positive.

And as the first link states, TT had a lot to do with Boston winning that year.

http://www.behindthenet.c...11/team_data3.php?sort=20
- DaleHalas

From what I saw they were near the bottom in Corsi of the teams who made the playoffs that year...I believe it was written up on Puck Daddy actually.

The Bruins were middle of the pack for the regular season but of playoff qualifiers they were not vg. I could have been more clear.

The Bruins finished a +107 ..........SJ +505, Det. +469, Chgo +403...

You can believe in Corsi but you always need to qualify your opinion with TT was great etc...

The bottom line is if sports could be quantified to a tee there wouldn't be any cab drivers.

It's not that easy, and more so in hockey than other sports because the weighting on what is important changes and there are other factors like officiating which is always being tweaked.

This year a team which was not good at all in faceoff win % almost won the Cup.

The importance of the PP changes etc , as well as goal tending.

I can't open your links but to be honest it doesn't matter much because I know what I read and it came from a relaible site. If using Corsi alone to pick the Cup winner that year Boston wouldn't not have been in the running.

I will look at stats because I enjoy it and they do matter some, but I will stick with my own eyes to form a solid opinion.

Really?

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a metaphor commonly used in the United States and Canada that refers to a person or group's unquestioning belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. The phrase typically carries a negative connotation when applied to an individual or group. The basis of the term is a reference to the November 1978 Rev. Jim Jones Jonestown Massacre, where members of the Peoples Temple were said to have committed suicide by drinking Kool-Aid drink laced with cyanide.
- Ogilthorpe2

I understand the term Ogi I was making a joke. The main part of your "look-up" above is the 1978 reference. Its old and outdated hence me writing, "do they even make Kool-aid anymore".

I understand the term Ogi I was making a joke. The main part of your "look-up" above is the 1978 reference. Its old and outdated hence me writing, "do they even make Kool-aid anymore".
- mvp0207

Gotcha...when you said "why Kool-aid" I thought you didn't get the reference. As for myself, I quit the stuff in the mid-80's when they stopped making my favorite flavor...Sunshine Punch.

Gotcha...when you said "why Kool-aid" I thought you didn't get the reference. As for myself, I quit the stuff in the mid-80's when they stopped making my favorite flavor...Sunshine Punch.
- Ogilthorpe2

Ogie, check your PM's...

From what I saw they were near the bottom in Corsi of the teams who made the playoffs that year...I believe it was written up on Puck Daddy actually.

The Bruins were middle of the pack for the regular season but of playoff qualifiers they were not vg. I could have been more clear.

The Bruins finished a +107 ..........SJ +505, Det. +469, Chgo +403...

You can believe in Corsi but you always need to qualify your opinion with TT was great etc...

The bottom line is if sports could be quantified to a tee there wouldn't be any cab drivers.

It's not that easy, and more so in hockey than other sports because the weighting on what is important changes and there are other factors like officiating which is always being tweaked.

This year a team which was not good at all in faceoff win % almost won the Cup.

The importance of the PP changes etc , as well as goal tending.

I can't open your links but to be honest it doesn't matter much because I know what I read and it came from a relaible site. If using Corsi alone to pick the Cup winner that year Boston wouldn't not have been in the running.

I will look at stats because I enjoy it and they do matter some, but I will stick with my own eyes to form a solid opinion.
- Al

Boom roasted!

There is no point in solving the 2C issue when you create TWO larger, glaring holes in the lineup.
- 1goalLordStanley

What large holes --- you end up with a center who can win 55% of his draws, play in all 3 zones, hold the puck down low and easily end up with 20/50 with the talent the Hawks have at forward...

I was under the assumption Hammer was expendable...

Bolland and Frolik for Stastny, although the rumored MTL deal involving Hammer+ for Plekanec is intriguing.
- hawks2010

Colorado has centers brah they need scorers

See an eye doctor stat.
- Ogilthorpe2

And my various posts regarding the subject

Saw this on ESPN rumors:


As it stands, Doan's list of preferred suitors is rumored to include the Los Angeles Kings, San Jose Sharks, Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, and Vancouver Canucks.

- Victoria Matiash

Al, you keep saying that but I don't know where you get that data. Boston was pretty much a middle of the road team during the Cup year.

http://www.nhl.com/index....ents/team_corsi_ratings1/

(no idea why but you need to replace nhl with kuklas-korner without the minus)

And they weren't really a negative team during the playoffs

http://www.behindthenet.c...2+33+34+17+20+5+4+6+7+0+3

I mean, the third line was by no means "Bollandesque" but the rest of the team was positive.

And as the first link states, TT had a lot to do with Boston winning that year.

http://www.behindthenet.c...11/team_data3.php?sort=20
- DaleHalas

Boston gave up holotta shots on goal per game, meaning they allowed a lot of shots to be directed at the goal, meaning their Corsi is going to be all kinds of stupid in a negative direction

What large holes --- you end up with a center who can win 55% of his draws, play in all 3 zones, hold the puck down low and easily end up with 20/50 with the talent the Hawks have at forward...

I was under the assumption Hammer was expendable...
- fattybeef

Let me clarify, I'm not saying not to go for it. But I would not throw Sharp in there. Perhaps Bolland or Kruger, and throw the other at 3C.

Yes, Hammer is expendable, but to an extent. I would be all for trading for Stastny, but at the right price. Trading Sharp for him would not be the answer, because you are trading away 30/70 points, all while now having to scramble to find 2 people at Left Wing for the top two lines (assuming you have some combination of Hossa, Toews, Stastny, Kane at center/right wing). You are left with the same issue as currently stands with putting Kane at center and keeping Sharp at 1RW while downgrading at the position, minus faceoffs.

With Hammer, you have to be guaranteed that you fill up what you lose by shipping him off in FA, and with Bowman's current acts, that looks like a stretch. He's the one guy in the current core that can take pressure off of Keith with his ability to log a good chunk of minutes, AND clogs the slot by blocking shots.

In summary, you can deal a decent forward and Hammer for Stastny, but not Sharp.

Saw this on ESPN rumors:


As it stands, Doan's list of preferred suitors is rumored to include the Los Angeles Kings, San Jose Sharks, Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, and Vancouver Canucks.

- Victoria Matiash
- RickyBear

ESPN gets thier rumors from Barry Melrose and the night janitor

They dont even like hockey, and fail to admidt its exsistance (this does not include TSN)

ESPN gets thier rumors from Barry Melrose and the night janitor
- blkhwkfn

Agreed.

I thought everything hinged on Dwight Howard?
- EKolb13

Chris Campoli dang it!

Chris Campoli dang it!
- Beaver-Warrior

What's up guys?? Did little Stanley get out of bed today?

Actually Bowman has made trades with more than just 2-3 teams: Minnesota, Toronto, Atlanta/Winnipeg. Calgary, Anaheim, Ottawa (might be a couple of others).

Not defending him but the "he only trades with people he's worked with" theory I don't think is accurate.
- John Jaeckel

It was sarcasm, should have clarified

Chris Campoli dang it!
- Beaver-Warrior

Has Tanguay signed yet? (300 Level humor)

Boston gave up holotta shots on goal per game, meaning they allowed a lot of shots to be directed at the goal, meaning their Corsi is going to be all kinds of stupid in a negative direction
- fattybeef

Yep same with Coyotes etc...Basing purely off numbers might seem more scientific but it doesn't lead to pure predictability....Most often the numbers need to be qualified as to a reason why they didin't hold true.

I'm not rapping on Corsi followers...I'm more analyltic by nature but my point still stands.

What's up guys?? Did little Stanley get out of bed today?


- CBHawks88

Nothing here.

Vlasic just re-upped with San Jose. 5 years, $4.2 million per.

Wolski signed with Washington. 1 year, $600,000.

That's all that's happened today.

ESPN gets thier rumors from Barry Melrose and the night janitor

They dont even like hockey, and fail to admidt its exsistance (this does not include TSN)
- blkhwkfn

Yep about 6 teams which means to me the Hawks have about a 20% chance which is better than some.

I have feeling the reason Hawks don't get Doan will be simply summed up as he wanted to play in Canada or close to home.

Has Tanguay signed yet? (300 Level humor)
- ikeane

Haven't heard anything.

From what I saw they were near the bottom in Corsi of the teams who made the playoffs that year...I believe it was written up on Puck Daddy actually.

The Bruins were middle of the pack for the regular season but of playoff qualifiers they were not vg. I could have been more clear.

The Bruins finished a +107 ..........SJ +505, Det. +469, Chgo +403...

You can believe in Corsi but you always need to qualify your opinion with TT was great etc...

The bottom line is if sports could be quantified to a tee there wouldn't be any cab drivers.

It's not that easy, and more so in hockey than other sports because the weighting on what is important changes and there are other factors like officiating which is always being tweaked.

This year a team which was not good at all in faceoff win % almost won the Cup.

The importance of the PP changes etc , as well as goal tending.

I can't open your links but to be honest it doesn't matter much because I know what I read and it came from a relaible site. If using Corsi alone to pick the Cup winner that year Boston wouldn't not have been in the running.

I will look at stats because I enjoy it and they do matter some, but I will stick with my own eyes to form a solid opinion.
- Al

Well, nobody uses Corsi alone for anything. It is always used as an inference to puck possession and usually combined with zone starts and quality of competition. Those three together tend to be one of the graphs that people look at. At least for evaluating individual players.

Here are the player evaluations for last season:

https://sites.google.com/...011-12.pdf?attredirects=1

It uses Corsi on a QoC/Zone Start graph. I think you can find pretty useful information from it. And when talking about Sharp, these graphs can really demonstrate how the coach actually uses a particular player. Again really supporting the position of Sharp being a primarily offensive player.

I haven't really seen anyone try to use Team Corsi as a standalone stat for anything. That is similar to +/- differential. Interesting but otherwise?

As for the advanced stats people, most don't tend to try and predict winners. But I don't see how any stats guys would have had Boston anywhere but as one of the favorites the year they won the Cup.

Finally caught up on today's posts...that took awhile.

My assessment...

...my doppelganger apparently is MVP0207 since I agree with everything said !

...and SteveRain needs to take a break...wow, that hostility is gonna kill ya bud.

Nothing here.

Vlasic just re-upped with San Jose. 5 years, $4.2 million per.

Wolski signed with Washington. 1 year, $600,000.

That's all that's happened today.
- EKolb13

Now there is another signing that will make Hammer's contract look pretty good too.