he doesn't. Just telling you what I'm hearing.
- John Jaeckel

If he doesnt how is he nixing deals?

Yup, and Raymond even though he just signed a reduced one year deal as well as Ballard are not high on the Canucks' list of untouchables. Gillis will move any or all of them. Doan checks a lot of boxes with the Canucks and his family is important too.
- djd

Any GM seriously considering trading for Ballard should be canned.

I just posted this re: Doan on the last thread. Here it is again.

Doubtful that he goes to the 'hawks, IMO, and here's why. He lives off-season right here in Kamloops, his wife is from here, he runs a charity golf tourney and he also is part owner of the Kamloops Blazers of the WHL. You should see the size of the house he is building here. Massive. He has a summer home at a nearby lake.

What does all that have to do with where he signs. Well, Tom Gaglardi, new owner of the Stars also has a share in ownership of the WHL Blazers. It is also fairly evident that Doan will retire to this city when he's done playing, and he could sign with any of the Canucks, Oilers or Flames in which case he would be no more than an hour (as the crow flies) from home. He wants to win, so the Canucks would seem like the obvious choice. Failing that he may sign with Gaglardi's Stars. If I were betting, a)he stays in Phoenix or b) signs with the Canucks, c) with the Stars a possible 3rd destination.
- djd

Well then I hope to hell Bobbi Lu isn't dealt. AND any team wanting him (don't know why) forces Gillis to take significant monies back.

JJ - odd question. Any word from your sources about Scotty Bowman's input in all of this, if any?

FWIW, the source made it sound as though he is perceived within the organization as being too timid and too cautious—they were good deals and inexplicably he shies away
- John Jaeckel

If Stan is the one who eventually slams the breaks on deal after deal, it won't be long before Stan is back to being a capologist and Asst GM. Indecisive is the worst thing you can be. Which leads me to one of my favorite quotes from the Onion...."Friends remember roadkill Squirrel as frantic, indecisive"

and the Hawks will only be able to pick from the scrap heap again because...
Stanbo is too ________________ to make any move to improve this team
A) Incompetent
B) Cautious
C) Stoopid
D) ALL of the above
- dpard

E) much of a bag of d!cks

Any GM seriously considering trading for Ballard should be canned.
- EKolb13

Always depends on what they're giving back.

Ballard for Kaberle!

Well then I hope to hell Bobbi Lu isn't dealt. AND any team wanting him (don't know why) forces Gillis to take significant monies back.
- blackhawk24

If other teams are smart, they shouldn't be looking to help Vancouver clear cap space by trading for "he who should not be named" until Doan has signed.

If any team is really looking to trade for him at all.

FWIW, the source made it sound as though he is perceived within the organization as being too timid and too cautious—they were good deals and inexplicably he shies away
- John Jaeckel

Aw phuck. If this is true its going to be a long long tenure, its already draining.

That's great info, but who cares where his summer home is...lots of players have summer homes in Europe, does that mean they are bolting fot the KHL? No...it has little bearing IMO...plus realistically speaking Chicago is only a couple hour flight back home for him anyways...
Plus he is getting near the end, and if Chicago threw more money at him then Van or Dallas, then why wouldn't he cash in one more time. It's not like the Hawks are that far removed from a Cup, and would be in contention again this year...
I love how you go from he wants to play close to home, then have Dallas and Phoenix as options for him, which probably couldn't be further from home, lol
- BoBBeR56

Just putting out some practical, realistic options. Someone else also pointed out his relationship with Gilman of the Canucks and that management will be important. He lives in phoenix during the season and will sign in a second if he knows that they're staying there and Dallas because of his relationship with management is another option. Just my two bits. At some point you start looking at life after hockey and maybe his family has some sort of say here as well. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened, do you think.

FWIW, the source made it sound as though he is perceived within the organization as being too timid and too cautious—they were good deals and inexplicably he shies away
- John Jaeckel

So does that come more from the "committee" approach you alluded to or more from him being too conservative in his own thinking?

he doesn't. Just telling you what I'm hearing.
- John Jaeckel

I know.

I just find it funny.

One moment we hear that he's being controlled and then the next we hear that people think he's too timid and allow him to back off of deals..

So why don't they force him to make those "good deals" if they are indeed controlling him?

Nothing against you JJ but these are some reasons why I doubt a lot of the management conspiracy stuff and I believe that it's just more simple.. The management team just isn't any good.

Most times it's the more simple reason.

JMO

If we are to trade Plekanec, I would expect it to be for prospects for long term. Maybe something with Teravainen which the habs loved.
- wardancr

Have heard alot of prospects have been discussed on both sides. Doubt it would be Teravainen. Danault? Johns? Maybe even Saad.

If he doesnt how is he nixing deals?
- ikeane

Exactly..

So does that come more from the "committee" approach you alluded to or more from him being too conservative in his own thinking?
- blackhawk24

Hope it's not a committee approach. That works so well for the EU.

I know.

I just find it funny.

One moment we hear that he's being controlled and then the next we hear that people think he's too timid and allow him to back off of deals..

So why don't they force him to make those "good deals" if they are indeed controlling him?

Nothing against you JJ but these are some reasons why I doubt a lot of the management conspiracy stuff and I believe that it's just more simple.. The management team just isn't any good.

Most times it's the more simple reason.

JMO
- pri$ey

Both could be true and here's where we agree. I don't think Bowman is the cause, rather a symptom of a broken function within the organization. My guess is he is too timid because he has too many voices in his ear. Although there are many possible explanations and permutations.

Hope it's not a committee approach. That works so well for the EU.
- HajdukChicago

Afraid it is.

If Stan is the one who eventually slams the breaks on deal after deal, it won't be long before Stan is back to being a capologist and Asst GM. Indecisive is the worst thing you can be. Which leads me to one of my favorite quotes from the Onion...."Friends remember roadkill Squirrel as frantic, indecisive"
- eburgio

Has anyone ever done less to earn the title capologist than StanBo. He was in charge of the cap under Tallon! I know you're not arguing this but I hate how people act like the past cap troubles had nothing to do with the current incompetent GM

Always depends on what they're giving back.

Ballard for Kaberle!
- Scabeh

Who's the bigger steaming pile?

I don't expect a team that had the depth of '09-'10 (we got really spolied with that and it set the bar too high), but if Hawks go out i the 1st round again next season, StanBo needs to go. Yeah, I know it's the obvious. Just writing what's on my mind. Yeah, I know it's not twitter or facebook. Ok, I'll stop.

Sounds like why I thought Suter would sign with the Hawks. It adds up to the Canucks being players, nothing more.

Is Doan going to be captain? Probably not. Would he respect Henrik (or say Toews) more as captain? Good question and I think I know the answer. If I were Doan, I would be very concerned about the Canuck dressing room—sorry most Canuck fans hate hearing this but some acknowledge it—that he can't have much impact on (unless they make him captain).

He could go a lot of places.
- John Jaeckel

Indeed, he could. My money is on a WC team and if not in Phoenix then close to his retirement home here in BC. Canucks top that list. Don't need to be a captain to have an impact in the room.

Who's the bigger steaming pile?
- EKolb13

I'm sure Kaberle is the worst of the two.

At least Ballard can throw a hit from time to time....

Both could be true and here's where we agree. I don't think Bowman is the cause, rather a symptom of a broken function within the organization. My guess is he is too timid because he has too many voices in his ear. Although there are many possible explanations and permutations.
- John Jaeckel

Absolutely.

Very plausible.

And to make things effin worse, my wife bought "Slap Shot 3" for my 6 year old son's birthday. Oh, there were words as a result of the blasphemy that was brought in our home. And to make it worse, it's rated PG and she wants me to watch it to see if it's appropriate for him. I said, "being Slap Shot 3 is inappropriate enough."

Lots of stuff on twitter saying Brendon Morrow might be available now..

Another big LW power forward that would really help this team