I've never said you're UG.

I've made my points about why the Leafs aren't a lottery team several time here today.

I don't think the Leafs were really as bad as they finished last year. 3 wins puts them in 10th. Improve the PK 2%, and they pick up those 3 wins.

Not that big of a stretch. They need a boost to get into the playoffs via significant trade, but they aren't a lottery team next year - Carlyle's defensive style will bring GA down, and the offense will still be there, might even be improved if JVR and Kulemin both have decent years.
- Big_Lightnin

I don't see offense being the same. When teams change into defensive systems they almost always have troubles scoring goals no matter how many stars they have. Look at LA, there biggest problem was offense and they have plenty of players who can score they were just defensively minded.

christ could you imagine a 30 yr old Sundin playing with Kessel right now. Holy (frank).

WHY CAN WE NEVER HAVE MORE THAN 1 GOOD PLAYER AT A TIME
- Big_Lightnin

Maybe there is some unwritten law? I really hope Lupul and Kessel have the magic together again, that would be sick.

I've never said you're UG.

I've made my points about why the Leafs aren't a lottery team several time here today.

I don't think the Leafs were really as bad as they finished last year. 3 wins puts them in 10th. Improve the PK 2%, and they pick up those 3 wins.

Not that big of a stretch. They need a boost to get into the playoffs via significant trade, but they aren't a lottery team next year - Carlyle's defensive style will bring GA down, and the offense will still be there, might even be improved if JVR and Kulemin both have decent years.
- Big_Lightnin

Your right, you didn't but others have mentioned it a number of times today........I stand corrected.

Colby Armstrong
- p_zub

Rico Fata...

I don't see offense being the same. When teams change into defensive systems they almost always have troubles scoring goals no matter how many stars they have. Look at LA, there biggest problem was offense and they have plenty of players who can score they were just defensively minded.
- maverickJ

well, that, and they couldn't hit the net for most of the season. Wasn't that they weren't getting chances, they just couldn't score.

Once they started clicking their offense went lights out - big reason they just had a parade

christ could you imagine a 30 yr old Sundin playing with Kessel right now. Holy (frank).

WHY CAN WE NEVER HAVE MORE THAN 1 GOOD PLAYER AT A TIME
- Big_Lightnin

I have dreams about it

Lupul-Sundin-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Macarthur
Kulemin-Mclement-Frattin
Brown-Steckel-Ashton

Good point. Unfortunately I can't see JVR being a true #1 center. I think he'll just end up back at wing.
- NickTheKid87

Centers don't get injured as much as wingers either, so if he can pull off centerman duties I would feel a little better about him seeming frail in philly.

I'M not 100% on that stat in the nhl btw, I was watching some show the other night on hockey injuries and the majority of injuries were coming from wingers they said.

well, that, and they couldn't hit the net for most of the season. Wasn't that they weren't getting chances, they just couldn't score.

Once they started clicking their offense went lights out - big reason they just had a parade
- Big_Lightnin

I actually disagree they didn't have a dynamite offense most of the time in the playoffs they usually won close games where they dominated and the other team couldn't score

Centers don't get injured as much as wingers either, so if he can pull off centerman duties I would feel a little better about him seeming frail in philly.

I'M not 100% on that stat in the nhl btw, I was watching some show the other night on hockey injuries and the majority of injuries were coming from winers they said.
- MindFr3eak

Seriously?

You know who this team needs, Mats Sundin
- maverickJ

I never loved Sundin to be honest, but you sure as hell don't know what you truly have intil it's gone and gaping in your face.

If he would have played the whole year with Giroux I think he would have put up 30 too. How many concussions has he had? Just the one?
- maverickJ

I believe so. He needs to better utilize his size too. Right now he plays as a big finesse player and not a power forward. Still waiting for him to commit to being more physical.

I never loved Sundin to be honest, but you sure as hell don't know what you truly have intil it's gone and gaping in your face.
- MindFr3eak

It is so true, he was such a reliable player

I actually disagree they didn't have a dynamite offense most of the time in the playoffs they usually won close games where they dominated and the other team couldn't score
- maverickJ

thye averaged 2.85 GF/G in the playoffs, behind only Pens and Flyers and that's was ridiculous.

2.85 would be 8th in the league in regular season. That's pretty good offense. Pens were highest on the season at 3.33, just 1 more goal every 2 games

Rico Fata...
- Flyfreaky

watched him play back when I lived in the Soo!

I believe so. He needs to better utilize his size too. Right now he plays as a big finesse player and not a power forward. Still waiting for him to commit to being more physical.
- NickTheKid87

That is okay then, and yeah eh I see the comparisons to ponikarisky and it is kind of true right now. But he has potential to be so much more. Not just because he is a leaf but I think this is his breakout year. On another note, it's funny to think that he is the same age as Schultz

I have dreams about it

Lupul-Getzlaf-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Kadri
Kulemin-Mclement-Frattin
Brown-Steckel-Ashton


- maverickJ

That, im sure many around here could live with

Centers don't get injured as much as wingers either, so if he can pull off centerman duties I would feel a little better about him seeming frail in philly.

I'M not 100% on that stat in the nhl btw, I was watching some show the other night on hockey injuries and the majority of injuries were coming from wingers they said.
- MindFr3eak

probably because there are twice as many of them on the ice at any given time

watched him play back when I lived in the Soo!
- noename09

No wonder you love hockey so much...

I never loved Sundin to be honest, but you sure as hell don't know what you truly have intil it's gone and gaping in your face.
- MindFr3eak

are you serious? how can you not LOVE the man.

No wonder you love hockey so much...
- Flyfreaky

I didnt say I enjoyed it

Seriously?
- fidopro

It wasn't about NHL injuries dude as I had stated it did not say what level of hockey the injury data was coming from, It was indepth analysis of types of injuries at what positions and the types or recurring injuries players get and the frequencies of positional injuries...that's all man

are you serious? how can you not LOVE the man.
- Leaffan8113

He's bald

are you serious? how can you not LOVE the man.
- Leaffan8113

it's shocking how many people thought he was never as good as Clark.

Clark had 1 good season where he was close to or over PPG. Sundin had 13 of them

probably because there are twice as many of them on the ice at any given time
- Big_Lightnin

They were doing LW compared to RW, comparing positions one at a time against each other.

thye averaged 2.85 GF/G in the playoffs, behind only Pens and Flyers and that's was ridiculous.

2.85 would be 8th in the league in regular season. That's pretty good offense. Pens were highest on the season at 3.33, just 1 more goal every 2 games
- Big_Lightnin

Interesting I guess the playoffs brought out the offense in them.