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bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 8 @ 12:06 PM ET
What are this guys credentials to be recognized as a legit source?
- PLindbergh31

He is from Manayunk and his name is Mike, nuff said
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 8 @ 12:20 PM ET
i bet 10 bucks simmonds gets more goals and assists
- Don'tForgetTocchet


Taking that bet. If I don't get banned, let's sort our before the season. Will do higher amount if loser pays a charity.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 8 @ 12:23 PM ET
What are this guys credentials to be recognized as a legit source?
- PLindbergh31


Daman@f'ingliar reports that the Flyers purchased five lots in Vorhees and converted them to a horse farm. They already stocked the farm with horses named the bird, boxcar, and LCB.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 8 @ 12:28 PM ET
Well, Ryan and Nash both want to come to Philly, so there's that.
- Tomahawk


Ryan wants to come here because of his ties here.

Nash just wants out. Period.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 8 @ 12:33 PM ET
Kane's an extremely talented player, had a breakout year. Still, his best season is worse than Bossy's worst season....and Bossy played that year with a bad back that ended his career.

Bossy was an absolute machine. From 1977-1986, Bossy's lowest goal total was 51.

- Jsaquella

pretty unreal that he never won a Hart
price you pay by playing in the Gretzky era lol
sulshawn
Joined: 07.28.2008

Jul 8 @ 12:39 PM ET
In depth article from Micheal Russo of the Minneapolis Star Tribune of the process in coming to terms with Parise, and Suter. Very good read.

The article states Parise, and Suter's camp would call teams and let them know they were no longer in the running. From everything I have read Holmgren never received a phone call from either player's camp letting him know the Flyers were no longer in the mix. How is it possible that the Flyers had the top money offers to both players and were never even taken seriously? That's unprecedented. And not a great sign.

http://www.startribune.co...ll&prepage=1&c=y#continue

- PLindbergh31


I hear what you saying about that not being a great sign but money isn't everything with some players and I respect that. Suter and Parise chose Minnesota and the Flyers lost out. The Flyers could have lost out on Garrison and would probably lose out to Weber. In the past, the Flyers lost out on other FAs too.

What makes me a little nervous isn't so much Bryzgalov but how agents and players view the Flyers in trading Richards, Carter, and JVR after they sign long extensions to be with the team.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jul 8 @ 12:42 PM ET
He is from Manayunk and his name is Mike, nuff said
- bigmookalookie

he really not that bad he get alot of stuff rite soo i dont know
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 8 @ 12:46 PM ET
I never saw the phrase "in on" as much as when I started following rumor guys. It's usage is a prerequisite for being in the biz.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 8 @ 1:26 PM ET
Should Shane Doan decide to leave Phoenix due to the team's unsettled ownership situation, the Flyers will be one of his most serious pursuers. Doan would fit in beautifully on the Flyers' second line alongside Daniel Briere. Stay tuned. Monday is the day Doan has indicated he would decide if he will stay with the Coyotes.
Source: Philadelphia Daily News
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 1:26 PM ET
Doan wants four years. IT bet 3.5+ cap hit. No thanks
- nmbr4bborr


Doan will likely get a cap hit in the area of $5.5-$6.5mm.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 1:28 PM ET
I hear what you saying about that not being a great sign but money isn't everything with some players and I respect that. Suter and Parise chose Minnesota and the Flyers lost out. The Flyers could have lost out on Garrison and would probably lose out to Weber. In the past, the Flyers lost out on other FAs too.

What makes me a little nervous isn't so much Bryzgalov but how agents and players view the Flyers in trading Richards, Carter, and JVR after they sign long extensions to be with the team.

- sulshawn


UFA's are eligible for NTC/NMC's. Carter, Richards and JvR were not. If a player is worried about that he can get a NMC. Homer gives them out like candy on Halloween. Even Fedotenko got a limited NTC
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 1:28 PM ET
pretty unreal that he never won a Hart
price you pay by playing in the Gretzky era lol

- Crimsoninja


Yeah. But he's probably ok with the 4 Stanley Cups. Man, I hated Bossy
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 1:30 PM ET
Agree on your point

Don't think he comes close to that production again without G

- puckhead17


He had 30 goals with Carter and Lupul.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 8 @ 1:39 PM ET
Tons of promise with this group of forwards. Next seasons is going to be really fun to watch them all continue to grow together. Extremely excited about Schenn as well.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jul 8 @ 1:50 PM ET
Doan will likely get a cap hit in the area of $5.5-$6.5mm.
- Jsaquella

And right now, I am in. You can add his scoring without losing anything from the current group.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 8 @ 2:04 PM ET
as for this "they lost scoring" mantra that has picked up steam in the last week, because the Flyers added by subtracting an aging player and didn't overpay for two free agents, it's bullpoop. That was the biggest gripe last year when they traded Richards and Carter "oh my gawd they lost 120 points, what are they doing?" Instead they scored about as many maybe more, goals. In the grand scheme of things, if the team plays better defensively they'll be fine.

Ryan, Nash, and stamkos all played 0 playoff games this past season. Prolific goal scoring isn't the end all. The Flyers could shed 30 goals still be in the top of the conference in goal scoring. They finished 3rd in the league this past season and because they lost Jagr and Jvr who played half a season, We read all this belly-aching about losing offense. They're fine, they have enough goal scorers in the lineup. They need to be more defensive minded going forward. Have a nice day.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 8 @ 2:11 PM ET
Doan will likely get a cap hit in the area of $5.5-$6.5mm.
- Jsaquella


I would be willing to make that move if the deal is for two to three years max.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 8 @ 2:13 PM ET
I can only hope Homer gives him a good offer.. He would fit Philly to a T, (frank) it give him 4 years
- bigmookalookie


Don't worry. Holmer can entice him with xbox sessions with Danny boys kids in his basement
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 8 @ 2:29 PM ET
as for this "they lost scoring" mantra that has picked up steam in the last week, because the Flyers added by subtracting an aging player and didn't overpay for two free agents, it's bullpoop. That was the biggest gripe last year when they traded Richards and Carter "oh my gawd they lost 120 points, what are they doing?" Instead they scored about as many maybe more, goals. In the grand scheme of things, if the team plays better defensively they'll be fine.

Ryan, Nash, and stamkos all played 0 playoff games this past season. Prolific goal scoring isn't the end all. The Flyers could shed 30 goals still be in the top of the conference in goal scoring. They finished 3rd in the league this past season and because they lost Jagr and Jvr who played half a season, We read all this belly-aching about losing offense. They're fine, they have enough goal scorers in the lineup. They need to be more defensive minded going forward. Have a nice day.

- JoeRussomanno


They Flyers had 4 more goals scored last year than they did the season before.
Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jul 8 @ 2:32 PM ET
as for this "they lost scoring" mantra that has picked up steam in the last week, because the Flyers added by subtracting an aging player and didn't overpay for two free agents, it's bullpoop. That was the biggest gripe last year when they traded Richards and Carter "oh my gawd they lost 120 points, what are they doing?" Instead they scored about as many maybe more, goals. In the grand scheme of things, if the team plays better defensively they'll be fine.

Ryan, Nash, and stamkos all played 0 playoff games this past season. Prolific goal scoring isn't the end all. The Flyers could shed 30 goals still be in the top of the conference in goal scoring. They finished 3rd in the league this past season and because they lost Jagr and Jvr who played half a season, We read all this belly-aching about losing offense. They're fine, they have enough goal scorers in the lineup. They need to be more defensive minded going forward. Have a nice day.

- JoeRussomanno


One thing is for sure, the Flyers seem to do a very strong job of assessing what they have in their players offensively.
MrBuzzcut
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.04.2007

Jul 8 @ 3:20 PM ET
Yeah. But he's probably ok with the 4 Stanley Cups. Man, I hated Bossy
- Jsaquella


Was there ever a game against the Flyers where he didn't score?
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jul 8 @ 3:23 PM ET
Yeah. But he's probably ok with the 4 Stanley Cups. Man, I hated Bossy
- Jsaquella


Always hated him too, but he was a scoring machine. Also a total a-hole. Heard him interviewed several times since he's retired and he's a complete ass. Bigger douche than Potvin and that's saying something.

But you're right, he does love the heck out of his four cups.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 8 @ 3:49 PM ET
Always hated him too, but he was a scoring machine. Also a total a-hole. Heard him interviewed several times since he's retired and he's a complete ass. Bigger douche than Potvin and that's saying something.

But you're right, he does love the heck out of his four cups.

- BringBack25


Terrific player. It was a shame about his back, there was no telling how many goals he'd end up with if he stayed healthy. Wasn't upset to see him retire, though.

Now if only Marty would finally decide to call it a day. I'm dog tired of watching him already.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 8 @ 3:53 PM ET
I do have a lot of faith in the Flyers young guys to continue to improve. I also think that Danny Briere has a nice bounce back season.

While it seems probable that Hartnell remains with Giroux, I wonder if Laviolette will experiment with a Hartnell-Briere-Voracek line. I was actually surprised that wasn't a regular line last year, prior to Hartnell catching fire playing with Giroux and Jagr.

- Jsaquella


I'd think of Briere on Giroux's wing.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 8 @ 3:56 PM ET
Damn Holmgren. 110 mil he reportedly through at Parise?
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