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LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 8 @ 10:56 AM ET
Daily News ran an article today saying they expect the Flyers to be serious bidders for Doan.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 8 @ 10:56 AM ET
He's at it again.

Manayunk Mike ‏@ManayunkMike
RYAN UPDATE: If ‪#Flyers‬ miss out on Doan, I'm told they will pull the trigger on a Bobby Ryan trade. 2-3 Teams "bidding Ryan up". ‪#Ducks‬
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 8 @ 10:58 AM ET
The shine has definitely faded a bit from the Flyers' star. Players used to jump at the chance to sign here. Not so much recently.
- 77rams



Well, Ryan and Nash both want to come to Philly, so there's that.

Doan, Parise and Suter wanted to stay out west for family reasons... no surprise there considering that they're all known as extremely loyal character guys... naturally they would take more things into consideration than just chasing the biggest paycheck and/or the best chance to win.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 8 @ 10:58 AM ET
He's at it again.

Manayunk Mike ‏@ManayunkMike
RYAN UPDATE: If ‪#Flyers‬ miss out on Doan, I'm told they will pull the trigger on a Bobby Ryan trade. 2-3 Teams "bidding Ryan up". ‪#Ducks‬

- LordStanley88


What are this guys credentials to be recognized as a legit source?
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 8 @ 11:00 AM ET
Yeah, just because Suter and Parise teamed up to join each other in Minnesota doesn't mean that Philly can't lure big-time free agents anymore.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 8 @ 11:00 AM ET
Daily News ran an article today saying they expect the Flyers to be serious bidders for Doan.
- LordStanley88


I don't even think it's all that likely that Doan even hits the open market.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 8 @ 11:01 AM ET
I don't even think it's all that likely that Doan even hits the open market.
- PLindbergh31


I think it is at this stage. Tomorrow is his deadline.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 8 @ 11:03 AM ET
I don't even think it's all that likely that Doan even hits the open market.
- PLindbergh31

Uhhhh he already has... But I get what you're saying. I seriously doubt he leaves phoenix.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 8 @ 11:03 AM ET
you missed Bobrovsky out, 2,4 & 4 picks in. Also about $12.5 million out only $6.9 million in. 3 picks and $5.5 million gives future flexability.
Well, in there's:
L. Schenn
Fedotenko
Gervais
Leighton

Out, there's:
JvR
Jagr
Carle

Not a good exchange in the short term. The Flyers took a step back in the hopes that B. Schenn, Coots, and maybe Read will fill in, step up and produce more. They're also banking on Voracek and Simmonds to have a better offensive year, for L. Schenn to find himself, and for Hartnell to replicate his totals from last season.

Is that a bit optimistic? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Now, if we acquire Doan, I'd certainly feel better. Ryan? Depending on who we give up. Nash? Nah.

- 77rams

nmbr4bborr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 8 @ 11:03 AM ET
Doan wants four years. IT bet 3.5+ cap hit. No thanks
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 8 @ 11:04 AM ET
Uhhhh he already has... But I get what you're saying. I stupidly doubt he leaves phoenix.
- hereticpride


He really hasn't. Have teams submitted offers to Doan yet? I haven't seen it reported that they have.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 8 @ 11:05 AM ET
He really hasn't. Have teams submitted offers to Doan yet? I haven't seen it reported that they have.
- PLindbergh31


Nope, but he will be entertaining offers tomorrow.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 8 @ 11:06 AM ET
Also, it looks more and more likely that Semin will be going to the KHL.

"Pretty obvious what's going on with Semin," Slava Malamud, foreign correspondent for Russia's Sport-Express and an NHL.com contributor, tweeted late Saturday. "He has a KHL offer (from CSKA), wants the same or more in the NHL, not getting it. Won't get it."

He won't if the still-unconfirmed terms Malamund cited in a subsequent tweet -- three years, $30 million -- are anywhere close to accurate.
-ESPN
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 8 @ 11:10 AM ET
Doan wants four years. IT bet 3.5+ cap hit. No thanks
- nmbr4bborr

Id much rather wait for the right trade to come along. Bidding against trends trying to tech the cap floor means he's going to get paid a lot more than he deserves.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 8 @ 11:13 AM ET
When I was messing around on capgeek last night, I put together lines like this:

Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
Schenn-Giroux-Read
Fedotenko-Couturier-Simmonds
Wellwood-Talbot-Rinaldo

I was just doing it to see how they shook out, but they intrigued me a bit. I had the 19-48-93 line first because I thought it should have been tried last year, but I expect Laviolette to juggle a bit early.

- Jsaquella



i like those lines but i'm hesitant to split hartnell from giroux after last season
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 8 @ 11:16 AM ET
i like those lines but i'm hesitant to split hartnell from giroux after last season
- Don'tForgetTocchet



Agree on your point

Don't think he comes close to that production again without G
PhillySteen
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Scania
Joined: 08.02.2011

Jul 8 @ 11:18 AM ET
Well, in there's:
L. Schenn
Fedotenko
Gervais
Leighton

Out, there's:
JvR
Jagr
Carle

Not a good exchange in the short term. The Flyers took a step back in the hopes that B. Schenn, Coots, and maybe Read will fill in, step up and produce more. They're also banking on Voracek and Simmonds to have a better offensive year, for L. Schenn to find himself, and for Hartnell to replicate his totals from last season.

Is that a bit optimistic? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Now, if we acquire Doan, I'd certainly feel better. Ryan? Depending on who we give up. Nash? Nah.

- 77rams


You have to add a tonne of capspace (for being the Flyers) to the 'In' part of your tally, especially considering what Tampa and Dallas are paying for Carle and Jags. I can live with that.
PhillySteen
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Scania
Joined: 08.02.2011

Jul 8 @ 11:19 AM ET
Well, in there's:
L. Schenn
Fedotenko
Gervais
Leighton

Out, there's:
JvR
Jagr
Carle

Not a good exchange in the short term. The Flyers took a step back in the hopes that B. Schenn, Coots, and maybe Read will fill in, step up and produce more. They're also banking on Voracek and Simmonds to have a better offensive year, for L. Schenn to find himself, and for Hartnell to replicate his totals from last season.

Is that a bit optimistic? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Now, if we acquire Doan, I'd certainly feel better. Ryan? Depending on who we give up. Nash? Nah.

- 77rams


You have to add a tonne of capspace (for being the Flyers) to the 'In' part of your tally, especially considering what Tampa and Dallas are paying for Carle and Jags. I can live with that.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 8 @ 11:23 AM ET
you missed Bobrovsky out, 2,4 & 4 picks in. Also about $12.5 million out only $6.9 million in. 3 picks and $5.5 million gives future flexability.
- jstross


Agreed.

That's why I stated on paper it looks like a short term steptback. I'd much rather have Bobo than Leights but the picks and the money saved could well turn out to be positives.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 8 @ 11:26 AM ET
Agreed.

That's why I stated on paper it looks like a short term steptback. I'd much rather have Bobo than Leights but the picks and the money saved could well turn out to be positives.

- 77rams


Plus Bob wasn't going to sit another year. Or 4 more on that note
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 8 @ 11:27 AM ET
You have to add a tonne of capspace (for being the Flyers) to the 'In' part of your tally, especially considering what Tampa and Dallas are paying for Carle and Jags. I can live with that.
- PhillySteen


Just trying to add some perspective to THN article. If the Flyers don't utilize the saved cap money effectively, what then?
keatondixon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: My comments express my views and Eklund's views ...everything I say Eklund agrees with 100%
Joined: 12.11.2008

Jul 8 @ 11:27 AM ET
I don't even think it's all that likely that Doan even hits the open market.
- PLindbergh31

He will be hitting the open market ...it's not looking good for Phoenix
EastBeast18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.19.2010

Jul 8 @ 11:29 AM ET
I dont want to give up talented youth, but at the same time im growing tired of waiting for a cup. That being said aslong as it doesnt gut half the team we need that top six forward whoever it may be. We def took a step back from being a "win now" team this offseason. The future is important but i'd also like to see a parade when I still have some of MY youth.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 8 @ 12:02 PM ET
I'm surprised they didn't break out the whole, they still need a goalie etc.. Dear God.. I still get that poop from casual Leafs and Habs fans up here... FML>.
- Hextall271

like those teams are one to talk, at least the Flyers made the playoffs. I wonder if Leafs fans even know what these "playoffs" thing all us hockey fans talk about each year
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jul 8 @ 12:03 PM ET
He will be hitting the open market ...it's not looking good for Phoenix
- keatondixon

I can only hope Homer gives him a good offer.. He would fit Philly to a T, (frank) it give him 4 years
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