keep deluding yourself. I don't drink Chardonnay, and pointing out the facts isn't being arrogant. fyi, i only drink the occasional iced mocha frappuccino in the summer, and lattes in the winter.

- kaptaan

All lies, you barely have a winter for being in Canada....lol

keep deluding yourself. I don't drink Chardonnay, and pointing out the facts isn't being arrogant. fyi, i only drink the occasional iced mocha frappuccino in the summer, and lattes in the winter.

- kaptaan

Wow....i really don't know what to say to this....

Luongo has put himself in a position to know he can't eliminate any options on the surface.

It won't be easy for Gillis to make a trade and he won't get a player back as good as Luongo.

I have not heard one credible whisper the Hawks offered Brodeur a $5 mill contract, and unless they want to step to the plate and plug that kind of money into their model for a goalie the Luongo talk is only talk...

Gillis will push hard to move him to the East no doubt, but he too was slow to react and missed the window that was wide open last summer with Tallon.

But the owner in Florida calls the shots, and he has been not bleeding red ink for years but gushing it, so if he wants Luongo he will be there.

Markstrom...We will see, but if Tallon wants to trade him here or anywhere else I would be careful.

Many had Salak going to be a an All Star in coming years when he came here via trade....Tallon knew what he was giving up then and if Markstrom is dealt....Buyer beware.

Hammer and Stalberg are the best, logical trade chips on the roster....Unless Luongo is the only hole to plug I would be very careful offereing them in trade to Vancouver.

Now if Olesz/Frolik were also incuded with Hammer or Stalberg, that would make more sense.

I still say Gillis will be run out of town if Luongo came here and was a success, he won't want to take that chance.

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- Al

and he has been not bleeding red ink for years but gushing it,

Over the past few years, one of the majority owners, for all purposes basically became THE owner. And, to make a long story short, although the Panthers have been struggling for quite some time up till this year, they have never struggled in money. The team is owned by the group that promotes all other events at Bank Atlantic Center. There are plenty of events. They have a 30 year lease, and are very stable.

Bernier will go at some point, he's young, talented and has we all have, an ego, he will go one way or another soon.

Oh to be young and talented again...lol
- MindFr3eak

Agreed, but who will be willing to take a chance on him, because you know they will be looking for a "kings ransom" in return (sorry, couldn't help myself).

and he has been not bleeding red ink for years but gushing it,

Over the past few years, one of the majority owners, for all purposes basically became THE owner. And, to make a long story short, although the Panthers have been struggling for quite some time up till this year, they have never struggled in money. The team is owned by the group that promotes all other events at Bank Atlantic Center. There are plenty of events. They have a 30 year lease, and are very stable.
- PanthersGoal

Before last season....How much money has the ownership there lost in the preceeding 10 years? I believe my statement was accurate.

Don't get sensitive, I didn't write or imply they were in jeopardy of moving.

The Panthers have been a big $$ losing franchise for a long time... lease deals etc aside, hockey wise.....Obviously if I said the owner can afford Luongo's contract that doesn't mean they aren't stable.

[quote=Mr Ricochet]Waaay of topic, but can you tell me what a scooby snack is? I've been a fan of the Fun Lovin Criminals for a damn long time and they use that phrase in a song. I've asked around forever but nobody knows what that is.
- MindFr3eak[/quote

level? ok i'll bite, it's a dog treat, shaped like a dog bone, scooby doo's snack... Unless you live in Vancouver on skid row then it's a mix of heroin and puddle water... Back in my hometown they called an 8ball of cocaine for sale a scooby snack also....

Oh yea on the level. I'm a 40's white dude who's run through Chicago for quite a few years, so I'm not immune to goings on. But when I heard the lyrics from the Fun Lovin Criminals in a song called Scooby Snacks 15 years ago that went, "runnin around with your back all whacked off of scooby snacks" I couldn't make a connection.

I asked plenty of homies over the years and even they didn't know...... Thanks for some clarification.

The Criminals are 3 Puerto Ricans from NY who play a diverse style with horns, strings and a sort of rap beat. Figured it was drug related......U Tube em, they're pretty solid.

Not too many bars in CHI he's (Kane) allowed in......seriously
- PuckkmeNOpuckU

Bought me and my friend a shot at Kirkwood back in 2009

Before last season....How much money has the ownership there lose in the preceeding 10 years? I believe my statement was accurate.

Don't get sensitive, I didn't write or imply they were in jeopardy of moving.

The have been a big $$ losing franchise for a long time....Obviously if I said the owner can afford Luongo's contract that doesn't mean they aren't stable.
- Al

No offense taken. Like I said, they are connected to a larger conglomerate, and yeah, I think former owner Alan Cohen may have had a few down years money wise. But I really don't think they ever hemmoraged money. His main problems were guys named Keenan and Martin.

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Oh yea on the level. I'm a 40's white dude who's run through Chicago for quite a few years, so I'm not immune to goings on. But when I heard the lyrics from the Fun Lovin Criminals in a song called Scooby Snacks 15 years ago that went, "runnin around with your back all whacked off of scooby snacks" I couldn't make a connection.

I asked plenty of homies over the years and even they didn't know...... Thanks for some clarification.

The Criminals are 3 Puerto Ricans from NY who play a diverse style with horns, strings and a sort of rap beat. Figured it was drug related......U Tube em, they're pretty solid.
- Mr Ricochet

That doesn't make much sense. Heroin has a very powerful calming effect. People don't generally get the urge to run around while high on heroin.
EDIT: sorry didn't read the cocaine part. Cocaine makes more sense.

Agreed, but who will be willing to take a chance on him, because you know they will be looking for a "kings ransom" in return (sorry, couldn't help myself).
- 1970vintage

Maybe Chicago? I don't really know myself, but if the kings don't play him his value will drop and I doubt Quick will play less than 70 games this year so he better go 12-0 this season to retain his value i think.

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- 1970vintage

good photoshop job


- 1970vintage

You know what? the colours don't suit him. He should go somewhere else.

Versteeg, Theodore, Howden is the deal about to be announced.
- Scooby_Doo

Considering Versteeg has already filed for arbitration this is just blatantly untrue!

Markstrom...We will see, but if Tallon wants to trade him here or anywhere else I would be careful.

Many had Salak going to be a an All Star in coming years when he came here via trade....Tallon knew what he was giving up then and if Markstrom is dealt....Buyer beware.


- Al

Love your perspective, Al. Remember though we are talking about a guy in Tallon who signed Huet to way too much money. He's a great evaluater but he misses as well.

Al, for discussions sake what do you think of a 5.3 mil cap hit for a #2 goalie 4-5 years from now? I'm of the belief Lou would be fine until 37-38, but would probably be reduced to backup status around that age.

Also Al talking about Florida's owner and the money needed for Lou, the Panthers need to get to the cap floor. Adding Lou at an important position is much better than signing a Kopecky to get to the floor.

- Nucker101

I like that song (chelsea dagger), I got to hear it seven times in one game.
- Roberto Luongo

Before last season....How much money has the ownership there lost in the preceeding 10 years? I believe my statement was accurate.

Don't get sensitive, I didn't write or imply they were in jeopardy of moving.

The Panthers have been a big $$ losing franchise for a long time... lease deals etc aside, hockey wise.....Obviously if I said the owner can afford Luongo's contract that doesn't mean they aren't stable.
- Al

This years CBA should be interesting. I think the have's and the have not owners will be looking for a better deal from the NHL. I think teams like TOR PHI VAN NYR are going to be looking at reducing the profit sharing . Owners will realize why the hell should they support cities that could care less about hockey. When teams have trouble making the cap space floor should other teams really be supporting them ?

You know what? the colours don't suit him. He should go somewhere else.
- flamminghead

Those "I'll eat your children's eyes" go well with the jersey thou

This years CBA should be interesting. I think the have's and the have not owners will be looking for a better deal from the NHL. I think teams like TOR PHI VAN NYR are going to be looking at reducing the profit sharing . Owners will realize why the hell should they support cities that could care less about hockey. When teams have trouble making the cap space floor should other teams really be supporting them ?
- VANTEL

This works in a baseball type setting, if you go over said cap space you incur a % of $ luxury tax that filters down to other teams, seems to work baseball, it could potentially work in the nhl.

That way you spend whatever you want and the penalty is cash to bottom feeders until the roles reverse.

Love your perspective, Al. Remember though we are talking about a guy in Tallon who signed Huet to way too much money. He's a great evaluater but he misses as well.

Al, for discussions sake what do you think of a 5.3 mil cap hit for a #2 goalie 4-5 years from now? I'm of the belief Lou would be fine until 37-38, but would probably be reduced to backup status around that age.

Also Al talking about Florida's owner and the money needed for Lou, the Panthers need to get to the cap floor. Adding Lou at an important position is much better than signing a Kopecky to get to the floor.
- Mr Ricochet

I know you were talking to Al, but...

The one problem with a Luongo to Florida trade is that the actual dollars Lu is getting paid are higher than his cap hit, which is not typically the scenario a team trying to reach the cap floor is looking for. It makes much more sense for a "rich" team that can afford to pay more, but get a lower cap hit, such as Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Vancouver, etc.

No offense taken. Like I said, they are connected to a larger conglomerate, and yeah, I think former owner Alan Cohen may have had a few down years money wise. But I really don't think they ever hemmoraged money. His main problems were guys named Keenan and Martin.
- PanthersGoal

I think they lost a lot of dough in the last 10 years or so and were getting desperate with Cohen.

I knew of people who had season tix down there going back 5 years ago....There were not many but...

They would get irate becasue the people next to them, in the lower bowl, would get seats at half price or less.

At one time I think if you bought a ticket to a Panther game and presented the stub at the box office after, you could get two tix free to the next game.

Bill Wirtz lost $20-30 mill per yr. here after the lockout for awhile and he owned the building etc....So I think it is safe to say on the hockey side the Panthers were deeply in red ink.

But it takes money to make money and now ownership will spend, just like they did last summer.

This works in a baseball type setting, if you go over said cap space you incur a % of $ luxury tax that filters down to other teams, seems to work baseball, it could potentially work in the nhl.

That way you spend whatever you want and the penalty is cash to bottom feeders until the roles reverse.
- MindFr3eak

I just hope they put some rules in about limiting how much a salary can change over the course of a contract. With any luck the Suter and Parise contracts will be the last of their kind.

I know you were talking to Al, but...

The one problem with a Luongo to Florida trade is that the actual dollars Lu is getting paid are higher than his cap hit, which is not typically the scenario a team trying to reach the cap floor is looking for. It makes much more sense for a "rich" team that can afford to pay more, but get a lower cap hit, such as Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Vancouver, etc.
- 1970vintage

Very true, good point...... He's due 6.7 per or something like that for 3-4-5 more years, at a cap hit of 5.3, correct?

NOt bad JJ, not bad. Comin' around!


He won't be kept until the deadline, so this deal will happen before Sept. And yes, he makes the Hawks a far more dangerous team. But for that reason, as JJ has correctly surmised, the only way he goes to Chicago is for an overpayment.

Thats more than Hjammer and Frolik.

Thats more like Hjammer and Sharp, or something equally good.

Otherwise there are two teams we know of right now offering s#it contracts and players they were once really high on , but are now just called high for keeping!

Yep, you too can have Luongo Hawk fans. But you will pay way more than anyone else, or the deal don't get done.

Last thing, there are also two outs in the deal, one team, one player...and with the "nudge and wink" years attached, its really only 6 years at 5.3.

In today's Cap world, that deal is looking better all the time!

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- 1970vintage

Well-done