I completely agree with you, Lu took your team to a game away from the cup. Honestly I would love to have lu but if the price is too high then I think we could deal with some upgrades up the middle and on D, have another crap year and get a goalie. though i dont think stanbo will do anything. again
- the_dough_boy

I was thinking you guys were going to scoop subban at the draft.

I was thinking you guys were going to scoop subban at the draft.
- vancity787

Mee too, but PK Subban with The 3rd over all pick for PKAne

And i thought lus contract was bad that is a no
- the_dough_boy

Ja BOS contract is up in 2 years I think

Ja BOS contract is up in 2 years I think
- southernhawk

Damn right it is. Given, he isn't quite worth his cap hit, but he's still a top paring guy, or damn close to it.

His contract is much better than luongo's term wise.

The Hawks have done nothing, will do nothing and we will like it. The Hawks will hover around 500 this year and we will conti.ue. to say how close they are, yet they will be a 1st round out.... Asshats.

Damn right it is. Given, he isn't quite worth his cap hit, but he's still a top paring guy, or damn close to it.

His contract is much better than luongo's term wise.
- EKolb13

Could you see him paired with Seabs

Could you see him paired with Seabs
- southernhawk

He'd be kind of redundant with Seabrook. Pair him with either Keith, Leddy or Oduya.

good article in yahoo - about coaching. http://sports.yahoo.com/b...evils-213705172--nhl.html

You do have to confirm that Zidlicky played fairly well for the Devils. BTW - Hawks should pass on Lu. He is a headcase. Yes, maybe a change of scenery would be good for Bobby Lu. but the Hawks should not be that team. What is funny - we gave up Campbell and we got Olesz. If Vancouver gets anything for Lu except for some crappy player and some bad contract in return, then the GM should be fired.
But ofc, some people think SB dumping Campbell was a good move.

The Hawks have done nothing, will do nothing and we will like it. The Hawks will hover around 500 this year and we will conti.ue. to say how close they are, yet they will be a 1st round out.... Asshats.
- mrpaulish

That's what worries me...then Toews and Kanes deals will be up and back to the early 2000's go the hawks

He'd be kind of redundant with Seabrook. Pair him with either Keith, Leddy or Oduya.
- EKolb13

Ok ..then Brookbank on 3rd pair...nasty solid D

Could you see him paired with Seabs
- southernhawk

Played with Keith at this Spring's World Championship..

I've got nothing to add on the trade front, or even suggested trades. However, it was pretty cool to see an Air Force Academy player invited to the prospects camp...Kyle De Laurell. A very good player, and it should be a highlight for him before he moves on into his military commitment. Have seen the team here a lot and nearly every one pf them are strong skaters--should be interesting to see how he does, though he did face Kevin Hayes in the playoffs a few months ago.

ummmmm okay? These are two comepletly different teams. Your team is built strong throughout the lineup except for between the pipes.

He only played two games. And wasnt even remotley the problem in the playoffs.

Us not having our biggest goal scorer and not being able to pt the puck in the back of the net was the issue.

I understand you want to be an objective a$$hole. But please think a little harder before you speak.
- vancity787

We had the same issues in the first round against PHX. We couldn't score goals and we were without our top scorer (Hossa). Yes, Crawford let in 2 softies but it should not have come down to that in the first place. I'm not sure I believe that if we had Lu between the pipes we would have won that series.

No need to get all snooty, Buddy.

There are some significant problems up and down the Blackhawks' roster. But at the top of that list is the lack of a true #1 goalie. If the Hawks fix that problem, the PP, small forwards and missing 2nd line center don't get magnified nearly as much.

Waiting two years for the Crawford contract to run out and hope you pick the right goalie is a big gamble and requires a timeframe that Bowman does not have.

Bringing in Lu would fix more problems than any other available player.
- PuckAndSticks

Maybe so but you have to weigh the cost of bringing him here into the equation, i.e. Lu's horrible contract, and ask yourself, is it really worth it?

Imo Hawks with Crawford = 1st round loss

Hawks with Luongo = 2nd round loss...maybe.

Can you honestly say bringing in Luongo and making no other changes will vault the Hawks to a level where they can reach the conference finals or beyond? I say no.
You are right about Bowman, he doesn't have time to wait. That's why he needs to act fast and upgrade the rest of the roster. A great team can win with a mediocre goalie. When's the last time a mediocre team won with a great goalie?

Again, have to weigh the positives against the negatives here. If Luongo was a 27 year old with years left in his prime, this is a no-brainer. But who knows how many productive years he really has left at this point.

And again, if the Hawks were a great team that were just one piece away from a Cup, in this case a starting goalie, no brainer to trade for Luongo. But they are much more than just one player away from being a contender again.

Just like he got Vancouver to the 2nd round...... Oh wait.
- CBHawks88

So you're judging Luongo's career on last year?

Nice contribution, now I suggest you do some reading over at Hockey-reference.com

So you're judging Luongo's career on last year?

Nice contribution, now I suggest you do some reading over at Hockey-reference.com
- ArlingtonRob

Now Rob.....go easy on them

Now Rob.....go easy on them
- southernhawk

Yeah, I know Southern...

Two things just bug the hell out me regarding this.

1. It's so obvious the Hawks could use an upgrade in goal, but somehow bringing in one of the most talented tenders in the NHL is a problem simply because he played for the Canucks. The whole Canuck thing is just silly...if Lu stands on his head and wins the opener, no one will care where he played...he'll be ours.

2. The alternatives to Luongo I've heard include going young, say Bernier or Bishop, two untested prospects that won't come cheap, or finding a veteran such as Kiprusoff who also hasn't won diddley, won't be cheap, and may not be available. How is this a better alternative than Luongo?

....oh yeah, they didn't play for Vancouver. The whole argument against Luongo is just asinine.

I have no clue what the cost would be for Luongo, and I also know dealing with the Canucks is problematic, but the opportunity has presented itself and goalies of this calibre don't hit the market often.

Also, many commenters have complained about Lu's contract including myself (term not caphit), but considering the cost of goalies these days...take a look at the deals for Price, Quick, Rinne, and Bryz to name several...Luongo's deal is fine.

The guy has shown he can remain healthy and carries the load year after year. If he is still motivated to compete, and win a cup, he's as good as any alternative in my mind.

I know it's not my money, but I'm concerned that sticking with Crawford will yield marginal results going forward. I think this moment presents the Hawks with a great opportunity to upgrade and solidify their goaltending for a number of years.

Is a deal for Luongo feasible?...In theory, yes.
Can SB and Co. make it happen?...no clue.
Odds of the Canucks taking the risk?...Slim.

Maybe so but you have to weigh the cost of bringing him here into the equation, i.e. Lu's horrible contract, and ask yourself, is it really worth it?

Imo Hawks with Crawford = 1st round loss

Hawks with Luongo = 2nd round loss...maybe.

Can you honestly say bringing in Luongo and making no other changes will vault the Hawks to a level where they can reach the conference finals or beyond? I say no.
You are right about Bowman, he doesn't have time to wait. That's why he needs to act fast and upgrade the rest of the roster. A great team can win with a mediocre goalie. When's the last time a mediocre team won with a great goalie?

Again, have to weigh the positives against the negatives here. If Luongo was a 27 year old with years left in his prime, this is a no-brainer. But who knows how many productive years he really has left at this point.

And again, if the Hawks were a great team that were just one piece away from a Cup, in this case a starting goalie, no brainer to trade for Luongo. But they are much more than just one player away from being a contender again.
- Tweek

I think the Blackhawks are far better than a mediocre team outside of the crease. They were tied for fifth in the NHL in goals scored last year. This occurred with Toews out for 23 games.

If you look at Lu, he faced more shots against in fewer games than Crawford while allowing 19 fewer goals against. This does not prove my point, but it does suggest that the defense in front of Crawford was better than the one in front of Lu.

And of course, there are many other problems with this team, but bringing in Lu (assuming Crawford goes away) still leaves the team with close to 5 mil in cap space. Of corse Bowman could choose to hang on to this like he did last year, or he could add a couple players of need to the roster. The latter of corse being the option you and I would both like to see in any case...

Adding Lu will not guarantee them anything. But bringing him in gets them closer to the cup (on paper) than any other single acquisition this offseason will do. For this reason, if Bowman has a legitimate opportunity to land him, I think he has to bring Lu in.

Yeah, I know Southern...

Two things just bug the hell out me regarding this.

1. It's so obvious the Hawks could use an upgrade in goal, but somehow bringing in one of the most talented tenders in the NHL is a problem simply because he played for the Canucks. The whole Canuck thing is just silly...if Lu stands on his head and wins the opener, no one will care where he played...he'll be ours.

2. The alternatives to Luongo I've heard include going young, say Bernier or Bishop, two untested prospects that won't come cheap, or finding a veteran such as Kiprusoff who also hasn't won diddley, won't be cheap, and may not be available. How is this a better alternative than Luongo?

....oh yeah, they didn't play for Vancouver. The whole argument against Luongo is just asinine.

I have no clue what the cost would be for Luongo, and I also know dealing with the Canucks is problematic, but the opportunity has presented itself and goalies of this calibre don't hit the market often.

Also, many commenters have complained about Lu's contract including myself (term not caphit), but considering the cost of goalies these days...take a look at the deals for Price, Quick, Rinne, and Bryz to name several...Luongo's deal is fine.

The guy has shown he can remain healthy and carries the load year after year. If he is still motivated to compete, and win a cup, he's as good as any alternative in my mind.

I know it's not my money, but I'm concerned that sticking with Crawford will yield marginal results going forward. I think this moment presents the Hawks with a great opportunity to upgrade and solidify their goaltending for a number of years.

Is a deal for Luongo feasible?...In theory, yes.
Can SB and Co. make it happen?...no clue.
Odds of the Canucks taking the risk?...Slim.
- ArlingtonRob

I hear ya.

I think the Blackhawks are far better than a mediocre team outside of the crease. They were tied for fifth in the NHL in goals scored last year. This occurred with Toews out for 23 games.

If you look at Lu, he faced more shots against in fewer games than Crawford while allowing 19 fewer goals against. This does not prove my point, but it does suggest that the defense in front of Crawford was better than the one in front of Lu.

And of course, there are many other problems with this team, but bringing in Lu (assuming Crawford goes away) still leaves the team with close to 5 mil in cap space. Of corse Bowman could choose to hang on to this like he did last year, or he could add a couple players of need to the roster. The latter of corse being the option you and I would both like to see in any case...

Adding Lu will not guarantee them anything. But bringing him in gets them closer to the cup (on paper) than any other single acquisition this offseason will do. For this reason, if Bowman has a legitimate opportunity to land him, I think he has to bring Lu in.
- PuckAndSticks

I hear you too.

Too nice to waste my time with SB's nothingness. Goin to the beach.
But...Ek says Hawks are in talks with the Habs, giving a top-6 forward. Can we trade Stalberg and a prospect (Morin?) for Georges? Then I'd be in favor of moving Hammer for Lu.

Without reading the last 30+ pages of posts, I know that he's polarized many on this site, but regardless of where he played, he's still a top tender in the NHL and his contract can be dealt with. Sign Hannan. Sign Moore. Make one last BIG push for Doan. If not, use Shaw and Carcillo in the top-6 to provide forecheck, protection, and net-presence.

Off to check out the other "talent" on Barceloneta beach.

Yeah, I know Southern...

Two things just bug the hell out me regarding this.

1. It's so obvious the Hawks could use an upgrade in goal, but somehow bringing in one of the most talented tenders in the NHL is a problem simply because he played for the Canucks. The whole Canuck thing is just silly...if Lu stands on his head and wins the opener, no one will care where he played...he'll be ours.

2. The alternatives to Luongo I've heard include going young, say Bernier or Bishop, two untested prospects that won't come cheap, or finding a veteran such as Kiprusoff who also hasn't won diddley, won't be cheap, and may not be available. How is this a better alternative than Luongo?

....oh yeah, they didn't play for Vancouver. The whole argument against Luongo is just asinine.

I have no clue what the cost would be for Luongo, and I also know dealing with the Canucks is problematic, but the opportunity has presented itself and goalies of this calibre don't hit the market often.

Also, many commenters have complained about Lu's contract including myself (term not caphit), but considering the cost of goalies these days...take a look at the deals for Price, Quick, Rinne, and Bryz to name several...Luongo's deal is fine.

The guy has shown he can remain healthy and carries the load year after year. If he is still motivated to compete, and win a cup, he's as good as any alternative in my mind.

I know it's not my money, but I'm concerned that sticking with Crawford will yield marginal results going forward. I think this moment presents the Hawks with a great opportunity to upgrade and solidify their goaltending for a number of years.

Is a deal for Luongo feasible?...In theory, yes.
Can SB and Co. make it happen?...no clue.
Odds of the Canucks taking the risk?...Slim.
- ArlingtonRob

100% agree

Al,

Sometimes it felt like the building was shaking too. I remember a game 7 against the North Stars that was probably the loudest that I've heard.

When did the cheering through the National Anthem start by the way? They debate this on the Score every once in a while. I've always said it started in 1985 in game 3 of the conference finals against the Oilers. After the Oilers blew the Hawks out in games 1 and 2 the Canadian press was saying the Hawks didn't even belong in the series and were very critical. I remember the Hawks got a standing O' when they came out and after the Canadian Anthem was played the place exploded. Was that the first time or do you remember it happening before that game?
- jhawk159

1990 is the NoScores series you're thinking of likely. 'Hawks took back to back game 7's vs MIN and STL at the barn that year before yet again falling to EDM, this time w/o Gretzky.

On the cheering throughout the entire Anthem, you have the game right. Game 3 Campbell Conf Finals. EDM Gretzkys had swept their 1st 2 rounds 7-0 (1st round was only best of 5 then). They blew out the 'Hawks 11-2 and 7-3 @ Northlands. I was at both of those games.

Here's 2 reasons why the cheering throughout the Anthem started at the barn: 1. Their "singer" up there - with a cue card - BUTCHERED the Anthem. 2. And more importantly, Edm fans BOOED the Anthem for BOTH games.

Wayne had been signing for the 'Hawks since '82 and the crowd would get rowdy at the end of the Anthem but not during its entirety. However game 3 in that 3rd round in 1985 changed the way the Anthem would be approached at a 'Hawks game - hopefully forever. EDM came into game 3 at 9-0 in the playoffs. The 'Hawks took games 3 & 4 highlighted by some spectacular play from the Clydesdale's line & rookie Eddie Olczyk's hammering of Dave cement head Semenko in one of the best fights that season.

1985 was considered probably the 'Hawks best chance to win the cup in the 80's. Seemingly the most complete 'Hawks team of that decade, though some would argue only King Richard Broduer in '82 stood in the way of the 'Hawks winning it. As much as I would have liked it, the 'Hawks too would have fallen to NYI for their 3rd straight cup. That CHI/VAN series was the infamous Roger Neilson white flag waiving series.

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