I was at a party tonight and a Sabres employee confirmed they were trying to get Nash. I just don't know how or why he would approve a move to the Sabres and why the Sabres would try so hard to get him unless they know or think they could get him to approve the trade. I'll believe it when I see it.
- GilPerreault

That's good to hear though. I think eventually Nash is going to have to expand his list, Howson can only do so much with the 6 teams.

I was at a party tonight and a Sabres employee confirmed they were trying to get Nash. I just don't know how or why he would approve a move to the Sabres and why the Sabres would try so hard to get him unless they know or think they could get him to approve the trade. I'll believe it when I see it.
- GilPerreault

I just can't see it happening...
They want WAAAAY too much for him

Throwing my 2 cents late in the game re: Vanek.

Vanek needs a center. Trading him for a center seems to defeat the purpose of getting a talented center.

I know the team needs another center anyways, but trading maybe your most talented winger (I would say "most" but I think Pominville is becoming a top flight player) for a center who is good, but not definitively more productive than the winger you're trading him for seems rather pointless to me.

I say this admitting that I have probably seen Stastny play two games - maybe. So, I know nothing of the guy. But based on stats, I'm not impressed enough to move Vanek straight up.

I'd still rather get a center for Vanek than trade Vanek for a center.

Our top9 forwards 3 years from now...
(if vanek & pominville aren't re-signed)

Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Grigorenko-Hodgson-Armia
Adam-Girgensons-Catanacci

I know Catanacci & Grigorenko are centers,
But I had to move someone to wing & I kept the Ennis line together bc it looked so good... I could easily see Ennis moved back to the wing though

Also, don't really pay attention to the line combos or the order I put them in
Just trying to show we have some nice talent coming up

If Catanacci &/or Adam have good AHL seasons I could def see them as trade bait...
If they aren't already

I'm curious as to what the plans are with Pominville & Vanek
Most of our "core" is already gone
If we don't make significant strides to contend THIS year...
I could see Vanek or Pominville traded for an upcoming young goalie to go with all our young talented forwards & defensemen
And Miller moved as well

HockeyyInsiderr saying Statsny++ for Vanek being discussed.
- FresHCutGrass

It only makes sense with Nash and Ryan being auctioned off for Reiger to auction off Vanek to the highest bidder.....I am a strong proponent of doing this because the value will never be higher since several years ago when we could have got 5 first round picks for him.

Which deal do you do?

Statsny, McGinn and 1st round pick for Vanek and Gerbe;

or

Getzlaf and Ryan for Vanek, Hodgson and Gerbe.

or

Vanek, Leopold and Enroth for Mikko Koivu, Cal Clutterbuck and Josh Harding

or

Vanek, McCormick, Leopold for Clowe and Thornton

Ryan and Stastny have similar stats, however Ryan scores more goals, and has a lower cap hit plus bigger size which makes his value greater than Stastny's, so this trade couldn't be for one on one! however, it is a good basis for a fade as Anaheim desperately wants a 2C and Stastny could be just that, but colorado would need to add something else to this
- lovin

Ryan and a 3rd round pick for Statsny and McGinn is what is heard

Throwing my 2 cents late in the game re: Vanek.

Vanek needs a center. Trading him for a center seems to defeat the purpose of getting a talented center.

I know the team needs another center anyways, but trading maybe your most talented winger (I would say "most" but I think Pominville is becoming a top flight player) for a center who is good, but not definitively more productive than the winger you're trading him for seems rather pointless to me.

I say this admitting that I have probably seen Stastny play two games - maybe. So, I know nothing of the guy. But based on stats, I'm not impressed enough to move Vanek straight up.

I'd still rather get a center for Vanek than trade Vanek for a center.
- rayzablades2

We might already have the center Vanek "needs"
I think Hodgson is going to be REALLY good...
He got off to a rough start, but u could see that kid has TONS of talent
Plus, Grigorenko was probably the best "playmaker" in the entire draft
As long as Foligno-Ennis-Stafford continue to gel, that line will stay together... But Ennis is also the type of center Vanek could thrive with

With those THREE all as legitimate options,
It actually doesn't make sense to me to trade for a Stastny or Getzlaf
Not only do I think those guys are overrated,
But giving up the multiple assets it'd take to get them will just create more holes to fill

If anything,
I think we need a physical RW to play with Vanek & Hodgson
Hopefully someone like Stewart won't cost an arm & a leg like Ryan would
And possibly a center for a year or two till Grigorenko is ready (and he might be ready now!)
Someone like Arnott could center a 3rd line w Ott & Pominville nicely for a year

Maybe we don't get that RW I was talking about till the deadline though (Iginla)

The trade is extremely pointless, the Sabres want a number one center to play with Vanek, it makes very little sense to give him up for a guy that most people would consider a number two center...
- sabresfan365

Buffalo is more likely to trade a defenseman like Leopold and a bottom six forward for an up and coming center like Gagner or Brodziak or Helm

Okay just for discussion sake, is there anyone who disagrees with any of the points below (and if you do, give me your thoughts as to why and I will happily listen):

1. Both Stastny and Vanek have somewhat disappointed their respective fan base in recent seasons though both have been far from busts.
2. LW is a position of need for the Avs.
3. Center is a position of need for Buffalo.
4. LW is a position that Marcus Foligno plays, a budding young power forward for the Sabres and another option for the Sabres should Vanek depart.
5. Center is arguably the deepest position for the Avs with Stastny, Duchene, and O'Reilly with his breakout season.
6. Though talk has been made of converting Duchene to a LW, center is the position he is best at naturally.
7. The Sabres have been public in their desire to shake up the team this offseason.
8. Both Statsny and Vanek have similar cap hits.
9. Both Statsny and Vanek produce at a similar level.

Just ideas to throw out there and normally I wouldn't think the Avs should be shopping Paul, but the pieces for this deal just seem to make sense to me.

Make Semin an offer and be done with it already.
- SABRES 89

I agree Semin for 3 years $15 million or 4 years for $19 million or if you can get Doan for similar coing then do that.
Pick up an asset for money and lets move on with some minor 2 for 1 plus a pick deals involving guys like Adam, Tropp, Leopold, McCormick, Kaleta, Ellis, Pardy, Gerbe to get a checking center for the 3rd line.
Alternatively sign Arnott or even Dominic Moore.....they will come cheap in a couple of weeks.

Should do a 3 team trade.

Vanek to COL
Stastny to ANA
Ryan to BUF

Since I'd rather have Ryan over Vanek anyways
- theblueandgold

I like that one as long as Buffalo gets a pick from Anaheim and Anaheim gets McGinn with Statsny

This thread is a hilarious example of the blatant homerism fanbases have for their own guys. Vanek and Stastny are basically the same player in terms of trade value, only they play different positions. Yet both sides are saying they won't trade one for the other.


- Tweek

Why is it that Nash and Ryan put on the market would create a bidding war and Vanek who has just as much to offer if not more would not?

It only makes sense with Nash and Ryan being auctioned off for Reiger to auction off Vanek to the highest bidder.....I am a strong proponent of doing this because the value will never be higher since several years ago when we could have got 5 first round picks for him.

Which deal do you do?

Statsny, McGinn and 1st round pick for Vanek and Gerbe;

or

Getzlaf and Ryan for Vanek, Hodgson and Gerbe.

or

Vanek, Leopold and Enroth for Mikko Koivu, Cal Clutterbuck and Josh Harding

or

Vanek, McCormick, Leopold for Clowe and Thornton
- RicoMartin

I don't think any of those are very realistic except for the one w Minnesota
We'd likely have to give up more to make the others work
But if I play along for conversation sake...

I want no part of Stastny or Getzlaf...
I think they are both overrated

I also don't think we "need" a center anymore
Maybe for this year of Grigorenko isn't ready...
If that's the case, sign Arnott or get a guy like him as a stopgap

I'm very comfortable with our top3 centers being
Grigorenko, Hodgson & Ennis (in no particular order)
Plus we'd have Girgensons & possibly Catenacci ready in 2 years also

Okay just for discussion sake, is there anyone who disagrees with any of the points below (and if you do, give me your thoughts as to why and I will happily listen):

1. Both Stastny and Vanek have somewhat disappointed their respective fan base in recent seasons though both have been far from busts.
2. LW is a position of need for the Avs.
3. Center is a position of need for Buffalo.
4. LW is a position that Marcus Foligno plays, a budding young power forward for the Sabres and another option for the Sabres should Vanek depart.
5. Center is arguably the deepest position for the Avs with Stastny, Duchene, and O'Reilly with his breakout season.
6. Though talk has been made of converting Duchene to a LW, center is the position he is best at naturally.
7. The Sabres have been public in their desire to shake up the team this offseason.
8. Both Statsny and Vanek have similar cap hits.
9. Both Statsny and Vanek produce at a similar level.

Just ideas to throw out there and normally I wouldn't think the Avs should be shopping Paul, but the pieces for this deal just seem to make sense to me.
- jdawg17

Yeah, and you all pick up more cap but slightly less dollars, which makes sense for both of us, too.

I was at a party tonight and a Sabres employee confirmed they were trying to get Nash. I just don't know how or why he would approve a move to the Sabres and why the Sabres would try so hard to get him unless they know or think they could get him to approve the trade. I'll believe it when I see it.
- GilPerreault

My co-worker's sister dates Lindy Ruff's son and she told me he said the Sabres are going after Nash and that Vanek may be going. Not sure if Vanek would leave in that deal but that's what I heard. Take it for what's it's worth.


and no, I'm not just messing with you guys. I know I'm not the "insider" and I'm usually hesitant to post rumor stuff like this but I'd figure you guys might like that tidbit of info.

I'm a newbie, but I think I have a solid proposal... Stastny ++ for Vanek wouldn't work, it would defeat the purpose of getting a #1 C. I say sign Arnott as a #3 C, trade Stafford, Sekera/Pysyk, and a 1st for Ryan. Trade Gerbe and a 1st for Stewart. Push Hodgson up to the #1 spot with Van & Pommer, have Ryan as RW w\ Ennis as C and Foligno at LW for 2nd line. 3rd line of Ott as LW, Arnott C, and Stewart RW. For the 4th line, Leino/Scott at LW, McCormick as C, and Kaleta as the RW. And for the D pairings - #1: Regehr & Myers #2: Ehrhoff and Sulzer #3: Leopold and Pysyk/Sekera (depending on which one was traded). This may be crazy, but a man can dream.

I'm a newbie, but I think I have a solid proposal... Stastny ++ for Vanek wouldn't work, it would defeat the purpose of getting a #1 C. I say sign Arnott as a #3 C, trade Stafford, Sekera/Pysyk, and a 1st for Ryan. Trade Gerbe and a 1st for Stewart. Push Hodgson up to the #1 spot with Van & Pommer, have Ryan as RW w\ Ennis as C and Foligno at LW for 2nd line. 3rd line of Ott as LW, Arnott C, and Stewart RW. For the 4th line, Leino/Scott at LW, McCormick as C, and Kaleta as the RW. And for the D pairings - #1: Regehr & Myers #2: Ehrhoff and Sulzer #3: Leopold and Pysyk/Sekera (depending on which one was traded). This may be crazy, but a man can dream.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Mcnabb would play before Pysyk

Semin is by far a better player than what he is made out to be, he has the 4th best plus/minus for a forward in the NHL in the last 4 years, behind Sedin-Sedin- Burrows line. He has a better plus minus than Datsyuk, he's not bad defensively
- sbroads24

Semin get a bad rap.....similar to what Gil Perreault got in his day.
When a player skates and shoots so effortlessly, the fans expect him to pull it off all the time, every time he gets on the ice...no one is that perfect.

Unfortunately, NJ might be the one to get him because they need to deal with the loss of Parise.

Okay just for discussion sake, is there anyone who disagrees with any of the points below (and if you do, give me your thoughts as to why and I will happily listen):

1. Both Stastny and Vanek have somewhat disappointed their respective fan base in recent seasons though both have been far from busts.
2. LW is a position of need for the Avs.
3. Center is a position of need for Buffalo.
4. LW is a position that Marcus Foligno plays, a budding young power forward for the Sabres and another option for the Sabres should Vanek depart.
5. Center is arguably the deepest position for the Avs with Stastny, Duchene, and O'Reilly with his breakout season.
6. Though talk has been made of converting Duchene to a LW, center is the position he is best at naturally.
7. The Sabres have been public in their desire to shake up the team this offseason.
8. Both Statsny and Vanek have similar cap hits.
9. Both Statsny and Vanek produce at a similar level.

Just ideas to throw out there and normally I wouldn't think the Avs should be shopping Paul, but the pieces for this deal just seem to make sense to me.
- jdawg17

All of that makes sense, but you are forgetting 2 BIG things...
1) the point of us wanting to bring in a top center is to play him WITH Vanek
2) we may already gotten that guy by acquiring Hodgson last year and drafting Grigorenko this year

So while the idea looks good on the surface in that they are basically of equal value and production...
When u actually play it out it doesn't make too much sense as we wouldn't have anyone significant for Stastny to pass the puck to

But everything you said was pretty much correct IMO

Mcnabb would play before Pysyk
- ZamboniDriver18

Ahhh, yeah. I knew I forgot a D. Pysyk could develop in the Amerks for a while.

I'm a newbie, but I think I have a solid proposal... Stastny ++ for Vanek wouldn't work, it would defeat the purpose of getting a #1 C. I say sign Arnott as a #3 C, trade Stafford, Sekera/Pysyk, and a 1st for Ryan. Trade Gerbe and a 1st for Stewart. Push Hodgson up to the #1 spot with Van & Pommer, have Ryan as RW w\ Ennis as C and Foligno at LW for 2nd line. 3rd line of Ott as LW, Arnott C, and Stewart RW. For the 4th line, Leino/Scott at LW, McCormick as C, and Kaleta as the RW. And for the D pairings - #1: Regehr & Myers #2: Ehrhoff and Sulzer #3: Leopold and Pysyk/Sekera (depending on which one was traded). This may be crazy, but a man can dream.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Good lineup there.

I just don't think Stafford, sekera/pysyk, 1st gets it done. They want a number 2 center.

Semin get a bad rap.....similar to what Gil Perreault got in his day.
When a player skates and shoots so effortlessly, the fans expect him to pull it off all the time, every time he gets on the ice...no one is that perfect.

Unfortunately, NJ might be the one to get him because they need to deal with the loss of Parise.
- RicoMartin

Doan would be a fantastic fit
He's exactly what we need...
Another physical guy who can score & plays his heart out every night
His leadership would be welcome
I just can't see him coming here if he decides to leave Phoenix

Semin isn't a terrible idea, bc he is so talented, but we REALLY need to get more physical up front

And we need at least one (if not 2) more top4 defensemen
We all know what happened when Ehrhoff & Myers went down
We have a lot of depth on defense,
But not much top end talent

Good lineup there.

I just don't think Stafford, sekera/pysyk, 1st gets it done. They want a number 2 center.
- Smittyx36

Hmm... Stafford, Adam, Sekera and a 2nd for Ryan and a 1st? Other than that I'm outta ideas...

I'm a newbie, but I think I have a solid proposal... Stastny ++ for Vanek wouldn't work, it would defeat the purpose of getting a #1 C. I say sign Arnott as a #3 C, trade Stafford, Sekera/Pysyk, and a 1st for Ryan. Trade Gerbe and a 1st for Stewart. Push Hodgson up to the #1 spot with Van & Pommer, have Ryan as RW w\ Ennis as C and Foligno at LW for 2nd line. 3rd line of Ott as LW, Arnott C, and Stewart RW. For the 4th line, Leino/Scott at LW, McCormick as C, and Kaleta as the RW. And for the D pairings - #1: Regehr & Myers #2: Ehrhoff and Sulzer #3: Leopold and Pysyk/Sekera (depending on which one was traded). This may be crazy, but a man can dream.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Agree about the Ryan deal but if they would go for it we might be ten steps closer to "Hockey Heaven." Would prefer that Sekera goes before any of the young "D"

Hmm... Stafford, Adam, Sekera and a 2nd for Ryan and a 1st? Other than that I'm outta ideas...
- LetsGoBuffalo75

BTW, welcome to the party. Beer is in the cooler to the right. BS is generally everywhere but that makes it fun....