Kessel + Phaneuf+ first rounder for Getzlaf + Perry. Would you do it?
- JohnnyReb

Of course.

16th in GA, 12th in S%, and how about this one, 43rd in S% Shorthanded with a .870. Gustavsson had a .875, looks like Loungo won't make our PK better either.
- Leafland

Dude. Those rankings include players who played less than 10 games. Come on man, don't fake the funk

I don't even think we're that far off. For the first half of the season last year we were in a battle for home ice.

You put a goalie in there who can steal us a few and give confidence to the young guys, then you just don't know.
- AngryWhiteMale

Yup

Dude. Those rankings include players who played less than 10 games. Come on man, don't fake the funk
- Gunslinger

Only the shorthanded save% does. Take them out and he is 29th by my count, with a .005 less then Gustavsson. Looks like he still doesn't make the pk better.

The first half of the season the leafs used their speed to beat opponents. However, as the season went on and opposition defenses gelled and tightened up the leafs struggled more and more.

Now, if Burke pulled something off and brought another key forward piece in (Getzlaf for example, likelyhood aside of course) then I'd be on board with taking on a contract like luongo's. I think he's the last move Burke should looking at, not worth it unless other positions are addressed first. Just my opinion is all.
- Dozzer

How is an established goaltender not something you would get ahead of a no. 1 centre?

Where exactly are we to get this no. 1 centre. Let's just accept it guys: Goaltending will make at least as big a difference in this team's development as a no. 1 centre. and cost less

Plus, we just gave Grabs 5.5 per for the next half decade. Are we seriously supposed to pay for BOTH a goalie and a centre?(both in assets and cap space). Chances are we'd get Lu for far far less than we would a no. 1 centre. Esp. of Getz's caliber, who would cost us a fortune and would need a new deal soon too.

Let's face it, it's goaltending we need. We can't acquire a legit centre without going overboard and at the end of the day you need a goaltender to get you through those rough patches in the middle 1/3 of the season. We can hang onto as many young guys as possible in hopes that solid 'tending will make their development go a lot smoother

Only the shorthanded save% does. Take them out and he is 29th by my count, with a .005 less then Gustavsson. Looks like he still doesn't make the pk better.
- Leafland

Luongo has been top ten, and top 5, stats wise for years now. Either way, his stats are far better than anything this city has seen in a decade.

I dont think its up to the goalie to fix the PK. Thats a team issue more than anything.

How is an established goaltender not something you would get ahead of a no. 1 centre?

Where exactly are we to get this no. 1 centre. Let's just accept it guys: Goaltending will make at least as big a difference in this team's development as a no. 1 centre. and cost less

Plus, we just gave Grabs 5.5 per for the next half decade. Are we seriously supposed to pay for BOTH a goalie and a centre?(both in assets and cap space). Chances are we'd get Lu for far far less than we would a no. 1 centre. Esp. of Getz's caliber, who would cost us a fortune and would need a new deal soon too.

Let's face it, it's goaltending we need. We can't acquire a legit centre without going overboard and at the end of the day you need a goaltender to get you through those rough patches in the middle 1/3 of the season. We can hang onto as many young guys as possible in hopes that solid 'tending will make their development go a lot smoother
- AngryWhiteMale

Goaltending is the bigger issue and need. But both ultimately need to be addressed.

Luongo has been top ten, and top 5, stats wise for years now. Either way, his stats are far better than anything this city has seen in a decade.

I dont think its up to the goalie to fix the PK. Thats a team issue more than anything.
- Gunslinger

So he is? Because you say he is? Because he wasn't last year, and he wasn't in 09-10, or 07-08.

Its also pretty well said, by most, that the best PKer is the goalie. Are you going to deny that to?

So he is? Because you say he is? Because he wasn't last year, and he wasn't in 09-10, or 07-08.

Its also pretty well said, by most, that the best PKer is the goalie. Are you going to deny that to?
- Leafland

Because the stats say so. I can live with his good, not great PK stats given all the other excellent numbers posted.

3 years of being top 15, not top 10, out of how many?

Oh the horror.

There is nothing to deny, Luongo has been anything from a top 15 to top 5 goalie almost his whole career. Even put up good numbers as a young goalie playing for a bad Flordia team.

I hate the guy as much as anyone, but you cant deny the reality of him being one of the elite goalies in the game.

Because the stats say so. I can live with his good, not great PK stats given all the other excellent numbers posted.

3 years of being top 15, not top 10, out of how many?

Oh the horror.

There is nothing to deny, Luongo has been anything from a top 15 to top 5 goalie almost his whole career. Even put up good numbers as a young goalie playing for a bad Flordia team.

I hate the guy as much as anyone, but you cant deny the reality of him being one of the elite goalies in the game.
- Gunslinger

I'm denying you saying he was a top 5 or top 10 goalie. Which he wasn't last year. I'm also denying giving up a 1st round pick for him. Mostly because he won't/shouldn't cost that much.

Goaltending is the bigger issue and need. But both ultimately need to be addressed.
- Gunslinger

No. 1 centres don't grow on trees.

If we can get Lu for the price rumoured:

Kulemin-Komisarek-1st

The it's worth considering, as long as that pick's on the condition of us making the playoffs, otherwise it should be a 2nd. Although they apparantly insist Lupul be in any deal...no thank you.

THEN...

Try and see if we can swing something like this:

Reimer
D'amigo
Connolly
____

Morrow

(Now there's veteran leadership and toughness we need, DAL gets a centre to balance the forwards and a goaltender they could use, though Campbell's in the system)

AND...

Mac
Bozak
2nd
____

Statsny

Considering what DAL had to pay to get Roy, and how comparable the stats are between Roy and Statsny(Google it), this should be along the lines of what it will take to get Paul

Kessel Statsny Lupul (Stats would compliment the two scorers well)
Morrow Grabovski JVR (Grabs would benefit from having Morrow's size, JVR too)
Kadri Colborne Ashton (The kid line will get decent ice time and have size and skill)
Brown Steckel Lombardi (A very fast and hard-working 4th line, I like it a lot)

Dion - Gunnarsson
Franson - Gardiner
Liles - Holzer/Blacker

No. 1 centres don't grow on trees.

If we can get Lu for the price rumoured:

Kulemin-Komisarek-1st

The it's worth considering, as long as that pick's on the condition of us making the playoffs, otherwise it should be a 2nd. Although they apparantly insist Lupul be in any deal...no thank you.

THEN...

Try and see if we can swing something like this:

Reimer
D'amigo
Connolly
____

Morrow

(Now there's veteran leadership and toughness we need, DAL gets a centre to balance the forwards and a goaltender they could use, though Campbell's in the system)

AND...

Mac
Bozak
2nd
____

Statsny

Considering what DAL had to pay to get Roy, and how comparable the stats are between Roy and Statsny(Google it), this should be along the lines of what it will take to get Paul

Kessel Statsny Lupul (Stats would compliment the two scorers well)
Morrow Grabovski JVR (Grabs would benefit from having Morrow's size, JVR too)
Kadri Colborne Ashton (The kid line will get decent ice time and have size and skill)
Brown Steckel Lombardi (A very fast and hard-working 4th line, I like it a lot)

Dion - Gunnarsson
Franson - Gardiner
Liles - Holzer/Blacker
- AngryWhiteMale

So give up a 1st and a 2nd in one of the best drafts coming up in recent years? Around and Around we go.

Trade Breaker‏@NHLTradesFirst

Leafs Update: Leafs are still talking with ‪#Predators‬: Colin Wilson ‪#Ducks‬: Ryan Getzlaf and Canucks: Roberto Luongo.

I don't buy that Getz is on the block.

ANA won't move Getz until they find a new home for Ryan and can re-assess priorities

Wouldn't mind Wilson...and I'd think Kadri would be enough to get him

So give up a 1st and a 2nd in one of the best drafts coming up in recent years? Around and Around we go.
- Leafland

That draft will be good for a team in the top 10.

If we protect the pick, I don't mind letting VAN draft 14-20

We got a steal in Matt finn @ 35 this year, he's a good bet to be an NHLer

Could perhaps make Percy disposable

Trade Breaker‏@NHLTradesFirst

#Leafs are shopping Connolly hard and teams are showing interest

Hockeyy Insiderr‏@HockeyyInsiderr

On ‪#Leafs‬ and ‪#Avs‬: 2 teams have been talking all week but TO waiting on Luongo developments before putting offer on the table for Stastny.

Trade Breaker‏@NHLTradesFirst

#Leafs are shopping Connolly hard and teams are showing interest
- AngryWhiteMale

isn't that from like, 5 weeks ago?

That draft will be good for a team in the top 10.

If we protect the pick, I don't mind letting VAN draft 14-20

We got a steal in Matt finn @ 35 this year, he's a good bet to be an NHLer

Could perhaps make Percy disposable
- AngryWhiteMale

Unfortunately, it won't matter. At best, Luongo gets us out of the top 5 at the draft. The way I see it, our goaltenders are not that bad and deserve a chance to make their mark. Bring in Luongo and your stuck with him for 7 years. If he doesn't pan out, no-one is taking that contract off of our hands. Look at what Philly is up against, after signing Bryzgalov. Looking at our number one centre problem, however, we have no real option for that problem. While Reimer and Scrivens can be close with their numbers, to having Luongo here, we have nobody that will come close to what a number one centre can do, to make this team competitive. My own opinion is: the number one hole that needs addressing is a number one centre. We cannot maximize our assets, on the first line, without one.

isn't that from like, 5 weeks ago?
- Feeling Glucky?

or 8 days.


But who's keeping score?

Unfortunately, it won't matter. At best, Luongo gets us out of the top 5 at the draft. The way I see it, our goaltenders are not that bad and deserve a chance to make their mark. Bring in Luongo and your stuck with him for 7 years. If he doesn't pan out, no-one is taking that contract off of our hands. Look at what Philly is up against, after signing Bryzgalov. Looking at our number one centre problem, however, we have no real option for that problem. While Reimer and Scrivens can be close with their numbers, to having Luongo here, we have nobody that will come close to what a number one centre can do, to make this team competitive. My own opinion is: the number one hole that needs addressing is a number one centre. We cannot maximize our assets, on the first line, without one.
- JohnnyReb

in 6 years he will be 40 and have made 90% of his contract. He's not gonna sit around on the bench just to piss us off.

Plus, his cap hit is lower than Grabovski's. He'd be <10% of our cap committment next year, and who's to say the cap doesn't go up in the future?

Kessel + Phaneuf+ first rounder for Getzlaf + Perry. Would you do it?
- JohnnyReb

Dale the Wombat (@wombathockey)
12-07-08 6:09 PM
Would @MapleLeafs fans be okay with giving up Fransson, Kulemin, and MacArthur for a SIGNED Getzlaf?

Dale the Wombat (@wombathockey)
12-07-08 6:09 PM
Would @MapleLeafs fans be okay with giving up Fransson, Kulemin, and MacArthur for a SIGNED Getzlaf?
- burn

That can't be a serious question


I wonder if anyone responded negatively.

Unfortunately, it won't matter. At best, Luongo gets us out of the top 5 at the draft. The way I see it, our goaltenders are not that bad and deserve a chance to make their mark. Bring in Luongo and your stuck with him for 7 years. If he doesn't pan out, no-one is taking that contract off of our hands. Look at what Philly is up against, after signing Bryzgalov. Looking at our number one centre problem, however, we have no real option for that problem. While Reimer and Scrivens can be close with their numbers, to having Luongo here, we have nobody that will come close to what a number one centre can do, to make this team competitive. My own opinion is: the number one hole that needs addressing is a number one centre. We cannot maximize our assets, on the first line, without one.
- JohnnyReb

we were 10th in the league in goals per game last year
we were conversly 29th in goals allowed per game last year

This is usually where I insert "you do the math" but I've already done that for you

Dale the Wombat (@wombathockey)
12-07-08 6:09 PM
Would @MapleLeafs fans be okay with giving up Fransson, Kulemin, and MacArthur for a SIGNED Getzlaf?
- burn

No, that would just break my heart

And Phaneuf, Kessel and a 1st would be robbery.

If it were BOTH Ryan and Getz(signed) you're looking at:

Reimer
Kadri
Grabovski(ANA would need a centre, right?)
Mac
Dion
1st

Trade Breaker‏@NHLTradesFirst

#Leafs are shopping Connolly hard and teams are showing interest

Hockeyy Insiderr‏@HockeyyInsiderr

On ‪#Leafs‬ and ‪#Avs‬: 2 teams have been talking all week but TO waiting on Luongo developments before putting offer on the table for Stastny.
- AngryWhiteMale

in 6 years he will be 40 and have made 90% of his contract. He's not gonna sit around on the bench just to piss us off.

Plus, his cap hit is lower than Grabovski's. He'd be <10% of our cap committment next year, and who's to say the cap doesn't go up in the future?
- AngryWhiteMale

It's not about what he will do, in 6 years. It's what he costs us, moving forward. If he indeed gets us to 10th in the conference, we end up picking at 10 or 11. Where does that benefit this franchise? If he stays away, we pick in the lottery and have a chance at real improvement. The only way that it works, taking him, is if we upgrade our centre position, with a true number one. Get that first, then revisit the Luongo situation. Another year of Tyler Bozak and 1st line centre, does not cut it, going for a playoff spot.