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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 8 @ 6:28 PM ET
The long term anchor isn't worth the short term gain IMO, and personally, I don't think luongo is the upgrade that gets the leafs into the post season anyways.

I could easily see the leafs missing again with luongo in net

- Dozzer



Yup.
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:34 PM ET
Considering how big of a factor consistent goaltending's been post-lockout in keeping us out of the playoffs, to say that Luongo in net for 60-65 games isn't a guyarantee is absurd.

If we had a goalie who actually inspired confidence in the team last year we wouldn't have fallen off the face of the earth. We needed a goalie to steal a game or two for us and we didn't

Whatevger your beliefs are of Lu long-term, the short term would get us back into the post season

- AngryWhiteMale


Exactly
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 8 @ 6:34 PM ET
Check his stats. Incredibly consistent. Hardly a mystery what you're getting. Expensive maybe but worth it.
- Gunslinger


Incorrect. Luongo's gaa dropped nearly half a percentage point once he moved to Vancouver

Pre Vancouver: 2.76gaa

Vancouver: 2.35gaa
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:36 PM ET
Goaltending didn't start the downturn.
- burn


Goal tending and far too many weak goals were the teams biggest issues. The main issue. Why would the Leaf want to address that?
JohnnyReb
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Watertown, NY
Joined: 07.03.2012

Jul 8 @ 6:38 PM ET
The long term anchor isn't worth the short term gain IMO, and personally, I don't think luongo is the upgrade that gets the leafs into the post season anyways.

I could easily see the leafs missing again with luongo in net

- Dozzer

Totally agree with that assessment. All Luongo does, is take us out of the lottery. The Leafs don't have the horses to get out of the basement, in the Northeast Division. It remains to be seen, if they can overtake the Islanders, for worst in the east. I hope there is a work stoppage, getting a settlement by Christmas, Leafs start slowly and finish dead last in the conference. Burke takes his cyanide pill and we actually get a GM who'll be proactive, instead of procrastinating. Sick of seeing the Leafs pass on every top free agent, using the excuse that we can't afford them. Last time I checked, they were leading the continent in top ticket prices.

The licenced merchandise is again at the back of the closet. Thanks Burke, I wanted to actually use it, some time this decade!
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:40 PM ET
Incorrect. Luongo's gaa dropped nearly half a percentage point once he moved to Vancouver

Pre Vancouver: 2.76gaa

Vancouver: 2.35gaa

- Dozzer



And his save percentage? The more telling stat

2.75 is still good and his save pct has been solid and consistent.
Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 8 @ 6:43 PM ET
And his save percentage? The more telling stat

2.75 is still good and his save pct has been solid and consistent.

- Gunslinger


Yes it is. However the pre lockout clutch and grab hockey bears on that as well.. Let me check his save %
Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:43 PM ET
Check his stats. Incredibly consistent. Hardly a mystery what you're getting. Expensive maybe but worth it.
- Gunslinger

He was 15th best goalie stat-wise in the league. Think he will be that good on the Leafs?
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:44 PM ET
Yes it is. However the pre lockout clutch and grab hockey bears on that as well.. Let me check his save %
- Dozzer


Check it. Quite impressive.
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:45 PM ET
He was 15th best goalie stat-wise in the league. Think he will be that good on the Leafs?
- Leafland


Huh?

He's a top 10 goalie and has been for years.I hate the guy but come on, let's not be silly here.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jul 8 @ 6:47 PM ET
No quick "fixes": no Luongo, no Doan, no Arnott.
Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
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Jul 8 @ 6:50 PM ET
And his save percentage? The more telling stat

2.75 is still good and his save pct has been solid and consistent.

- Gunslinger


Pre Vancouver: 0.917%

Vancouver: 0.920%

So yeah that's consistent, agreed. Still want nothing to do with that contract, he needs to play for someone who is ready to compete now.. Not two, three years from now
Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:51 PM ET
Huh?

He's a top 10 goalie and has been for years.I hate the guy but come on, let's not be silly here.

- Gunslinger

No, stats-wise he wasn't.
JohnnyReb
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Watertown, NY
Joined: 07.03.2012

Jul 8 @ 6:52 PM ET
Goal tending and far too many weak goals were the teams biggest issues. The main issue. Why would the Leaf want to address that?
- Gunslinger

No, I really enjoyed seeing them getting knocked off the puck and channelled to the outside. I think it's their best trait. Watching them f*ck up on the penalty kill is a close second. My favourite moment, was seeing Gustavsson deflect a shot going wide, in overtime, into his own net, from the blueline. Classis stuff!

Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:53 PM ET
No, stats-wise he wasn't.
- Leafland


Check them again. The stats don't lie
AngryWhiteMale
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.14.2010

Jul 8 @ 6:54 PM ET
Goaltending didn't start the downturn.
- burn


I consider Gusti letting in either the late tying goal vs. PIT or the OT goal vs. NJ the beginning of the end.

There are lots of teams out there who made the playoffs on the back of a goaltender who was able to steal them games at pivitol points in the season.

We haven't had that since Belfour
AngryWhiteMale
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.14.2010

Jul 8 @ 6:55 PM ET
And his save percentage? The more telling stat

2.75 is still good and his save pct has been solid and consistent.

- Gunslinger


I don't put too much weight on GAA

to me, it's all about save percentages. You need to stope at least 91% of the shots you face in order to be a legitimate goaltender.
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:55 PM ET
No, I really enjoyed seeing them getting knocked off the puck and channelled to the outside. I think it's their best trait. Watching them f*ck up on the penalty kill is a close second. My favourite moment, was seeing Gustavsson deflect a shot going wide, in overtime, into his own net, from outside the blueline. Classis stuff!
- JohnnyReb


Expect more of that this season!
AngryWhiteMale
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.14.2010

Jul 8 @ 6:56 PM ET
Pre Vancouver: 0.917%

Vancouver: 0.920%

So yeah that's consistent, agreed. Still want nothing to do with that contract, he needs to play for someone who is ready to compete now.. Not two, three years from now

- Dozzer


I don't even think we're that far off. For the first half of the season last year we were in a battle for home ice.

You put a goalie in there who can steal us a few and give confidence to the young guys, then you just don't know.

Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jul 8 @ 6:57 PM ET
Check them again. The stats don't lie
- Gunslinger

16th in GA, 12th in S%, and how about this one, 43rd in S% Shorthanded with a .870. Gustavsson had a .875, looks like Loungo won't make our PK better either.
Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 8 @ 7:05 PM ET
I don't even think we're that far off. For the first half of the season last year we were in a battle for home ice.

You put a goalie in there who can steal us a few and give confidence to the young guys, then you just don't know.

- AngryWhiteMale


The first half of the season the leafs used their speed to beat opponents. However, as the season went on and opposition defenses gelled and tightened up the leafs struggled more and more.

Now, if Burke pulled something off and brought another key forward piece in (Getzlaf for example, likelyhood aside of course) then I'd be on board with taking on a contract like luongo's. I think he's the last move Burke should looking at, not worth it unless other positions are addressed first. Just my opinion is all.
JohnnyReb
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Watertown, NY
Joined: 07.03.2012

Jul 8 @ 7:11 PM ET
The first half of the season the leafs used their speed to beat opponents. However, as the season went on and opposition defenses gelled and tightened up the leafs struggled more and more.

Now, if Burke pulled something off and brought another key forward piece in (Getzlaf for example, likelyhood aside of course) then I'd be on board with taking on a contract like luongo's. I think he's the last move Burke should looking at, not worth it unless other positions are addressed first. Just my opinion is all.

- Dozzer

Again, a correct assessment. The only way that we should be after Luongo, is if we rob another GM for a first line centre and a power forward on the wing, without giving up key players on our current roster. If Burke can do another Beauchamen for Gardiner and Lupul type trade, then they should look at a Luongo.
OBGYN Kenobi
Joined: 03.01.2009

Jul 8 @ 7:12 PM ET
The first half of the season the leafs used their speed to beat opponents. However, as the season went on and opposition defenses gelled and tightened up the leafs struggled more and more.

Now, if Burke pulled something off and brought another key forward piece in (Getzlaf for example, likelyhood aside of course) then I'd be on board with taking on a contract like luongo's. I think he's the last move Burke should looking at, not worth it unless other positions are addressed first. Just my opinion is all.

- Dozzer


I give up a 1st round pick for Getzlaf... but not Luongo
JohnnyReb
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Watertown, NY
Joined: 07.03.2012

Jul 8 @ 7:15 PM ET
I give up a 1st round pick for Getzlaf... but not Luongo
- OBGYN Kenobi

Agreed! That would put us into a fight for the last playoff spots. It wouldn't be another Kessel type deal, because Burke knows what he has, unlike the time he traded for Kessel. At the worst, it would be the 10th or 11th pick in the first.

One other side note on this: If we were to acquire a player like Getzlaf, it would make us a viable destination, for other top end free agents.
JohnnyReb
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Watertown, NY
Joined: 07.03.2012

Jul 8 @ 7:17 PM ET
Kessel + Phaneuf+ first rounder for Getzlaf + Perry. Would you do it?
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