And the leafs can't afford to bury someone? - Oilhab
Not really good business...the Leafs have a hard enough time to recruit players to the "big city"...do this a few times too many and players will be hesitant to sign on the dotted line, because yes, Toronto can at any time bury most players in their lineup if they chose to do so...
Are the Leafs in Finacial trouble? Why does his salary have to go the other way?
You don't get a number 1 starter and get to salary dump your worst dman, without having to pay a huge ransom. So whatever else is in that deal better be huge for the nucks, and i don't see anything the leafs would be willing to give up to be huge for the nucks.
What you are actually hearing is an optimistic Leaf fans twist on what the deal should include. - Oilhab
im not even shocked that a montreal fan doesnt know what the salary cap is. it doesnt matter if you are the richest team in the league, no one is taking luongo's contract without giving up a bad one in return. luongo isnt getting a huge return when the only possible trade partners are the panthers and leafs. good prospect/pick + salary dump.
I think that at this point the guy would accept a trade to 28 other teams (obviously he doesn't want to go to Edmonton - nobody wants to go to that godforsaken frozen tundra).
It's the "you can't send me to the AHL" clause that's the tricky part. - Atomic Wedgie
I don't get the hate on people have for Komi. Yes his contract is horrendous and yes he is a dissapointment in terms of what we were expecting when we signed him, but salary aside, if he is on your bottom pairing of defense, then you have one of the best 5/6 defensemen in the NHL. Thats not even really debatable. Look around the league. Most teams have garbage as their 6th dman.
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Jul 6 @ 4:08 PM ET
Komi has a NMC/Modified NTC (player supplies a trading list that can be modified each June 15)
in other words, we are stuck with him. - LeafMan
I know has a habs fan i feel your pain LM, the habs dont seem willing to burn Gomez at the stake, and i myself would Old Yeller the hell out of him. Mr Gomez you have two choices, Hamilton or Europe, you have 3 days to decide. TY and on the behalf of the Montreal Canadiens GTFO.
Not that the Leafs will trade JVR, or even consider it. But there really is nothing that says they can't. Philly just locked up 2 players to decade long deals and then traded them before the deals even kicked in. JVR himself signed for 6 years and got traded less than a year after signing.
If Ass-bag Holgren can do that and still have people respect him, Burke can do whatever he wants. - Jimmy_T
Right!
They can trade JVR if they really wanted to.
Players do not want to be treated like cattle.
Players may look at this before signing, or waiving a NTC to sign somewhere.
Holmgren did a good job.
He evaluated his talent in gametime situations, and traded his assets for better ones.
That's part of being a GM.
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Jul 6 @ 4:09 PM ET
Aww yes, thanks that reminds me of what i meant to ask you about earlier, who wins, Silva or Sonnen? I think Sonnen walks out like Rich Franklin did ( i think it was), i think he really awakened the beast. Or the bored Silva shows up and loses and doesnt care and gets bounced from the UFC. Although i am not sure what his contract is or how many more fights he has left under contract. - Prolific_Scorer
silva will never be dropped. (i don't see him pulling the damian maia or cote crap ever again).
as for my prediction, silva beats the bejesus out of sonnen and it doesn't go past 2 rounds. in the words of clubber lang:
Not really good business...the Leafs have a hard enough time to recruit players to the "big city"...do this a few times too many and players will be hesitant to sign on the dotted line, because yes, Toronto can at any time bury most players in their lineup if they chose to do so... - dclanglois
Thats BS the only reason the Leafs have had trouble recruiting people is their refusal to sing idiotic ten year deals. Now, outside of Crosby and Ovechkin, Stamkos, find me one of those deals that makes a single tiny bit of sense.
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Jul 6 @ 4:09 PM ET
I don't get the hate on people have for Komi. Yes his contract is horrendous and yes he is a dissapointment in terms of what we were expecting when we signed him, but salary aside, if he is on your bottom pairing of defense, then you have one of the best 5/6 defensemen in the NHL. Thats not even really debatable. Look around the league. Most teams have garbage as their 6th dman. - Jimmy_T
Wasn't he benched alot last year? And didn't the Leafs have one of the worst Defensive teams last year?
I know has a habs fan i feel your pain LM, the habs dont seem willing to burn Gomez at the stake, and i myself would Old Yeller the hell out of him. Mr Gomez you have two choices, Hamilton or Europe, you have 3 days to decide. TY and on the behalf of the Montreal Canadiens GTFO. - Prolific_Scorer
Thats BS the only reason the Leafs have had trouble recruiting people is their refusal to sing idiotic ten year deals. Now, outside of Crosby and Ovechkin, Stamkos, find me one of those deals that makes a single tiny bit of sense. - Jimmy_T
That certainly is a contributing factor...nonetheless, it's not good business to sign players to crappy contracts and then bury them when they don't live up to them...
They can trade JVR if they really wanted to.
Players do not want to be treated like cattle.
Players may look at this before signing, or waiving a NTC to sign somewhere.
Holmgren did a good job.
He evaluated his talent in gametime situations, and traded his assets for better ones.
That's part of being a GM. - Climuster
I don't disagree with you, really. But IF players are going to be turned off because Toronot flips a guy they just aquired (they wont do that, this is hypothetical) than it stands to reason that they would consider what Holgren did to Carter and Richards 100X worse.
personally I think business is business and that it makes almost no difference: all players are workers and workers hate managment no matter what. I am just trying to demonstrate a logical equation.
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Jul 6 @ 4:12 PM ET
I'm gonna give up my source? Not likely. Take it for what its worth, which is less than nothing. I'm just saying. Wait and see then maybe next time you might believe me. Or not. No biggie. - Jimmy_T
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Jul 6 @ 4:14 PM ET
I don't get the hate on people have for Komi. Yes his contract is horrendous and yes he is a dissapointment in terms of what we were expecting when we signed him, but salary aside, if he is on your bottom pairing of defense, then you have one of the best 5/6 defensemen in the NHL. Thats not even really debatable. Look around the league. Most teams have garbage as their 6th dman. - Jimmy_T
Considering he was a healthy scratch 15 times last year, I'd say it's highly debatable.
I don't disagree with you, really. But IF players are going to be turned off because Toronot flips a guy they just aquired (they wont do that, this is hypothetical) than it stands to reason that they would consider what Holgren did to Carter and Richards 100X worse.
personally I think business is business and that it makes almost no difference: all players are workers and workers hate managment no matter what. I am just trying to demonstrate a logical equation. - Jimmy_T
The only parallel I could draw that would be similar to Holmgren's deal, is dealing Grabovski
They have evaluated his talent and work ethic, and signed him to a 5 year deal.
Now if a deal came along to trade for Getzlaf, I would include Grabovski in that package in a second. That just makes sense.
