I'm all for giving up players for nash. I will list players that i would give up for Nash and reason why i have them in a deal.

Dubinsky: Only in their for cap reasons, little value right now.
Anisimov: Can play on any line and play pretty will. Streaky, but the talent is their. can play the RW or Center.
Mcilrath: good defensive prospect. wont wow with his offensive skill. He's big and mean.
Erixon: Good two way defensmen. He's not going to be in your face physical but he knows how to break up plays in the defensive zone.
St. Croix: Center playing in the whl. Had a breakout season in the whl. Slotted to be 2nd line center
2013 1st round: kind of a no brainer to be involved.
- tomburton99

The Jackets will need some certainty beyond the mediocre Dubinsky and Anisimov. So a combination of these guys...what would the offer look like?

I'm all for giving up players for nash. I will list players that i would give up for Nash and reason why i have them in a deal.

Dubinsky: Only in their for cap reasons, little value right now.
Anisimov: Can play on any line and play pretty will. Streaky, but the talent is their. can play the RW or Center.
Mcilrath: good defensive prospect. wont wow with his offensive skill. He's big and mean.
Erixon: Good two way defensmen. He's not going to be in your face physical but he knows how to break up plays in the defensive zone.
St. Croix: Center playing in the whl. Had a breakout season in the whl. Slotted to be 2nd line center
2013 1st round: kind of a no brainer to be involved.
- tomburton99

Well if I would go with a trade might as well model it after the Heatley deal....

Anisimov
Erixson or McIlrath
and a 1st

unless Sather as to unload some salary.....

Well if I would go with a trade might as well model it after the Heatley deal....

Anisimov
Erixson or McIlrath
and a 1st

unless Sather as to unload some salary.....
- Alexzanki

so you want less than what i offered?

The Jackets will need some certainty beyond the mediocre Dubinsky and Anisimov. So a combination of these guys...what would the offer look like?
- dawgzhouse

did you not see erixon, mcilrath, st. crouix and the 1st round pick?

Well if I would go with a trade might as well model it after the Heatley deal....

Anisimov
Erixson or McIlrath
and a 1st

unless Sather as to unload some salary.....
- Alexzanki

If you want to model the deal after the Heatley trade it looks more like:
Hagelin (Michalek)
The rights to Chris Drury (Cheechoo)
a 2nd rounder (a second rounder)
But then again, Heatley is a complete douche who can't skate.

If you want to model the deal after the Heatley trade it looks more like:
Hagelin (Michalek)
The rights to Chris Drury (Cheechoo)
a 2nd rounder (a second rounder)
But then again, Heatley is a complete douche who can't skate.
- Lohaus

you can't trade a buyout, so?

you can't trade a buyout, so?
- tomburton99

I wans't really being serious.

so you want less than what i offered?
- tomburton99

Well that's pretty much what I believe it will be, people say he isnt worth players such as Stepan or Kreider.......and others say it's out of the question we trade him for spare parts such as Dubinsky.

So you see there isnt a specific consensus on what Nash is really worth.

Well that's pretty much what I believe it will be, people say he isnt worth players such as Stepan or Kreider.......and others say it's out of the question we trade him for spare parts such as Dubinsky.

So you see there isnt a specific consensus on what Nash is really worth.
- Alexzanki

I could see something along the lines of Stepan, Erixan, Miller and a 1st (keeping in mind the Rangers will be picking late). Nash would be a sick add and the team is already deep.

I could see something along the lines of Stepan, Erixan, Miller and a 1st (keeping in mind the Rangers will be picking late). Nash would be a sick add and the team is already deep.
- Lohaus

Nash-Richards-Gaborik

Nash-Richards-Gaborik
- Alexzanki

There are lots of options up front
With Callahan, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Kreider, Hagelin and Boyle also there. They could present matchup issues for pretty much any team.

EDIT: Its why I think Stepan can be moved easily and not skip a beat.
You go down the middle with those three centers so Stepan isn't even missed (similar to the playoffs this year) and you have sick combos.
Anisimov Richards Gaborik
Nash Dubinsky Callahan
Hagelin Boyle Kreider

Seriously?

I could see something along the lines of Stepan, Erixan, Miller and a 1st (keeping in mind the Rangers will be picking late). Nash would be a sick add and the team is already deep.
- Lohaus

won't happen, team already said stepan wont be traded.

won't happen, team already said stepan wont be traded.
- tomburton99

I'm sure they did, I'm just saying thats the deal I'd wanted to make it happen. Doesn't effect the roster to any significant degree, particularily with who fills in, hurts the prospects but the Rangers added a goal scoring warrior up front. Just my opinion anyways.

I'm sure they did, I'm just saying thats the deal I'd wanted to make it happen. Doesn't effect the roster to any significant degree, particularily with who fills in, hurts the prospects but the Rangers added a goal scoring warrior up front. Just my opinion anyways.
- Lohaus

forget the whole thing, jackets can keep nash.

forget the whole thing, jackets can keep nash.
- tomburton99

thats my opinion as a Sens fan too

There's no arguing about Ryan vs. Nash at this point. I wonder though how Nash will be viewed in 3 years? If he were to go to a Detroit, Chicago or Pitt I think his numbers would satisfy those that question whether or not he's an elite talent. He's my favourite player so I want to be vindicated! haha
- dawgzhouse

No doubt playing with Datsyuk, Toews, Crosby or Malkin will create a sharp increase in production. Unfortunately the argument will then become "He can only produce when playing with a top talent" ie. sure he's better now but he's not the one elevating the game of those around him, he's benefiting from the players that can, and therefore he's not truly elite. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

Maybe that's true, maybe not. Maybe its just chemistry and not necessarily needing a top flight pivot. Certainly not a bad choice for your favourite player but there will be a lot of people still wanting to call you out on his production even if it goes up to elite status if he does it playing with a top C. Sort of like the Brodeur was only a product of an elite D debate which was hopefully put to rest over the past few years.

thats my opinion as a Sens fan too

- Lohaus

ok fine, let's say for fun that the sens are on Nash's list. Now, would you trade Turris, Zibanejad, Cowen and 1st for Nash? I wouldn't.

ok fine, let's say for fun that the sens are on Nash's list. Now, would you trade Turris, Zibanejad, Cowen and 1st for Nash? I wouldn't.
- tomburton99

Well actually the initial deal was Zibanejad , Foligno and a first overall (I think there was something else), Howson acepted but Nash refused.

No doubt playing with Datsyuk, Toews, Crosby or Malkin will create a sharp increase in production. Unfortunately the argument will then become "He can only produce when playing with a top talent" ie. sure he's better now but he's not the one elevating the game of those around him, he's benefiting from the players that can, and therefore he's not truly elite. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

Maybe that's true, maybe not. Maybe its just chemistry and not necessarily needing a top flight pivot. Certainly not a bad choice for your favourite player but there will be a lot of people still wanting to call you out on his production even if it goes up to elite status if he does it playing with a top C. Sort of like the Brodeur was only a product of an elite D debate which was hopefully put to rest over the past few years.
- BlueBallz

I agree and people like to hate so I expect to be called out.
I don't think he's elite. I think he's an 85pt winger with a top center.

I find only those that haven't watched Brodeur through the years make that argument.

ok fine, let's say for fun that the sens are on Nash's list. Now, would you trade Turris, Zibanejad, Cowen and 1st for Nash? I wouldn't.
- tomburton99

Our offer was apparently already accepted, which was Foligno Lehner and Zibanejad. I'd say it was more on line with the offer I made for you guys. We had 1 top 6 forward and 2 A level prospects. You had 1 top 6 forward, an A level prospect and a B level prospect along with your 1st. The offer you just said is extreme. Cowen is far better an asset than any of the prospects either mentioned.

Our offer was apparently already accepted, which was Foligno Lehner and Zibanejad. I'd say it was more on line with the offer I made for you guys. We had 1 top 6 forward and 2 A level prospects. You had 1 top 6 forward, an A level prospect and a B level prospect along with your 1st. The offer you just said is extreme. Cowen is far better an asset than any of the prospects either mentioned.
- Lohaus

that's fair, but the deal of Stepan, Miller, Erixon and 1st complete guts the rangers in a few ways. Stepan is the next first line center for the rangers. Richards was brought in to stabilze rangers but he was also brought into so stepan could learn from him. Miller is the rangers best prospect and erixon is the rangers 2nd best prospect. I don't see it happening.

that's fair, but the deal of Stepan, Miller, Erixon and 1st complete guts the rangers in a few ways. Stepan is the next first line center for the rangers. Richards was brought in to stabilze rangers but he was also brought into so stepan could learn from him. Miller is the rangers best prospect and erixon is the rangers 2nd best prospect. I don't see it happening.
- tomburton99

At the same time, Lehner and Zibby are probably our best two prospects. The real discussion I guess isn't so much whether or not we'd do these deals, but what the expectation is from Columbus to get the deal done. Thats all my discussion is and thats really all that matters because unless the value is there, they aren't pulling the trigger on a known commodity.

I agree and people like to hate so I expect to be called out.
I don't think he's elite. I think he's an 85pt winger with a top center.

I find only those that haven't watched Brodeur through the years make that argument.
- dawgzhouse

Haters gonna hate. I think that's a fair assessment of what he's capable of.

Marty has been an all world, all time talent. Those who have watched him over the years are lucky. He can't do it 70+ times a year any more plus playoffs, but undoubtedly a top 2-3 EVER.

ok fine, let's say for fun that the sens are on Nash's list. Now, would you trade Turris, Zibanejad, Cowen and 1st for Nash? I wouldn't.
- tomburton99

i'm not sure turris is an upgrade on brassard. that trade won't do it plus those teams already traded and won't again.

nash will go to nashville or philly. that's it.