ThinkingSemin would take a one year deal is talk if you ask me.
- hereticpride

I think there's a greater chance of Semin signing a one-year deal here than Doan coming over.

That's crazy talk.

If he'll take a 1 year/$5 mil deal, you're not tied in long-term and can still pursue other free agents next off-season.
- bradleyc4

I'm with you...the flyers have a goal deficit with these things called career yrs and rookie success not always followed up with similar results. add that to the departures of jagr and JVR...

I also don't think he'd be as much of a distraction as Zherdev became
- Jsaquella

okay then why not sign him?

okay then why not sign him?
- phi1671

I'd rather see the kids play and get the ice time and responsibility to grow. I also think that they need size and grit in the top 9 more than a guy like Semin. I do think there's a bit of an attitude issue, too...just not as severe as Zherdev.

I could probably be convinced of Semin on a one year deal for less money, but he's far from my first, or even third choice.

I'm with you...the flyers have a goal deficit with these things called career yrs and rookie success not always followed up with similar results. add that to the departures of jagr and JVR...
- isaiah520

I think he's the perfect fit into Lavy's system. He's obviously a dynamic scorer, he's the one who carried the play on any line he was placed on, he excelled when Washington played their up-tempo offensive style of play, he's responsible defensively and I've never seen someone with more accuracy on those long stretch passes.

Hope this isn't Semin conversation day.

Did anyone see the warriors in this year's playoffs? Doan. Kopitar. Weber.

Awesome.

Fill in the blank. We need a playoff warrior to win the cup. Win at all costs. Stick up for your team. We need _____________ .

Does Semin fit in there?

Semin aint coming here.

Doan is a longshot but would be great. We all know this.

I think you'll be surprised by the contributions of Dustin Brown, ooops, I mean B. Schenn this year.

Scoring will go down but that is not a concern. The Kings couldn't score anything last year and won the Cup. The point I am making is that we should play better team D. And I think the 3rd line will be more a checking line this year and less a depth line. You'll see what I mean when the season starts.

I don't believe we have a perfect RW for Giroux, but time will tell. Not the end of the world.

We will make a push for Ryan for sure.

Our D is not exactly the Niedermeyer show but we should be physical and tougher down low. Mez Coburn Schenn Grossmann - should be fun to watch.

Perhaps we can see a breakout year from Coburn, who has all the physical tools IMO. One of the best Flyer trades ever.

We're in good shape - if you don't think so, what team would you rather put on the ice in the Eastern Conference? Rangers - Yes. Everyone else - we're right there.
- Daman

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Your hyperlink is messed up, Bill.

Doan would be a great addition to the Flyers.

And I love how these owners get the taxpayers to help cover their stadiums and potential losses, on top of ticket prices...nothing smells better than free market capitalism in the morning.

Bill or MJL - is there a realistic way the Flyers can trade Pronger's contract to another team that needs to spend the minimum? Send Pronger and a 2nd pick and cash considerations to a team for a 6th round pick. That type of thing?

Is this creativity allowed, feasible, legal, etc?

Your hyperlink is messed up, Bill.

Doan would be a great addition to the Flyers.

And I love how these owners get the taxpayers to help cover their stadiums and potential losses, on top of ticket prices...nothing smells better than free market capitalism in the morning.
- wolfhounds

I tend to agree with you, but to take the other side of the argument, would you be against other infrastructure such as libraries, parks, etc.

I have no idea of the Phoenix situation. But a thoughtful analyis would look at parking revenue (for city), taxes on players and other employees, increase in econcomic growth in the city (restaurants, etc.) and the related tax revenue, etc.

Benefit versus the cost - that type of thing.

Bill or MJL - is there a realistic way the Flyers can trade Pronger's contract to another team that needs to spend the minimum? Send Pronger and a 2nd pick and cash considerations to a team for a 6th round pick. That type of thing?

Is this creativity allowed, feasible, legal, etc?
- Daman

The precedent would be in NJ trading Malakhov and a 1st to San Jose for future considerations. That said, the NHL is more stringent on cap circumvention now than they were in 2006.

The hangup would probably be the amount of time left on Pronger's deal.

homer set the tone for this off season by moving JVR while apparently convinced he had carle ready to sign. looks like he moved too soon and things kinda went a little downhill from there.

its obvious homer doesn't have the assets to make the moves he would like to if he is unwilling to move brayden schenn so he will wait and see if doan is a possibility and maybe feast on a few more scraps.

The precedent would be in NJ trading Malakhov and a 1st to San Jose for future considerations. That said, the NHL is more stringent on cap circumvention now than they were in 2006.

The hangup would probably be the amount of time left on Pronger's deal.
- Jsaquella

Thanks. I guess from a pure theoretical perspective, it seems unfair to count a over 35 contract for cap purposes, which assumes the player is available in some capacity, but to not allow a trade. Actually, IMO, there would be no logic to it. On the flip side, a move such as the one I proposed is a clear circumvention, as you suggested.

Bill or MJL - is there a realistic way the Flyers can trade Pronger's contract to another team that needs to spend the minimum? Send Pronger and a 2nd pick and cash considerations to a team for a 6th round pick. That type of thing?

Is this creativity allowed, feasible, legal, etc?
- Daman

As far as I know it would be legal to do so. But Pronger is owed 19M over the next however many years. I don't see a team investing that amount of cash just to try and meet the Cap floor. So not very realistic.

homer set the tone for this off season by moving JVR while apparently convinced he had carle ready to sign. looks like he moved too soon and things kinda went a little downhill from there.

its obvious homer doesn't have the assets to make the moves he would like to if he is unwilling to move brayden schenn so he will wait and see if doan is a possibility and maybe feast on a few more scraps.
- isaiah520

Thanks. I guess from a pure theoretical perspective, it seems unfair to count a over 35 contract for cap purposes, which assumes the player is available in some capacity, but to not allow a trade. Actually, IMO, there would be no logic to it. On the flip side, a move such as the one I proposed is a clear circumvention, as you suggested.
- Daman

Agreed. I understand why the over 35 rule was put in, but the NHL failed to make allowances for situations like Pronger and Laperriere, where guys got injured and either had their careers ended by it or seriously derailed.

As far as I know it would be legal to do so. But Pronger is owed 19M over the next however many years. I don't see a team investing that amount of cash just to try and meet the Cap floor. So not very realistic.
- MJL

Definitely true about not realistic - but maybe next year when that # is redued by 5m (or whatever it is) and the Flyers compensated the team with cash considerations like the Lindros deal (say $10m). In such a scenario, the other team would effectively be out of pocket by $4 - $5.

Don't even know why I am pursuing this - really just curious I guess.

Hope this isn't Semin conversation day.

Did anyone see the warriors in this year's playoffs? Doan. Kopitar. Weber.

Awesome.

Fill in the blank. We need a playoff warrior to win the cup. Win at all costs. Stick up for your team. We need _____________ .

Does Semin fit in there?
- Daman

we don't have enuf on d to win a cup anyway. this is a transition yr where homer will evaluate the progress of the kids and see what he's got going into the TDL...not the way I would've handled things but, that's the reality.

I think there's a greater chance of Semin signing a one-year deal here than Doan coming over.
- bradleyc4

I agree. It worth a shot if it's the last option. I don't think Semin is as bad as he's being portrayed as a person. He played very hard last year when Hunter took over.

As far as I know it would be legal to do so. But Pronger is owed 19M over the next however many years. I don't see a team investing that amount of cash just to try and meet the Cap floor. So not very realistic.
- MJL

A team would much rather overpay a marginal player who can at least contribute on the ice to reach the cap floor.

Another team isn't going to pay Pronger nearly 20 million dollars to sit at home. Zero chance.

- FlyerMike18

Didn't that dude get hit by a car, nearly dying, and calling it the best day of his life?

One of the best movies ever (if you have worked in the corporate world).

we don't have enuf on d to win a cup anyway. this is a transition yr where homer will evaluate the progress of the kids and see what he's got going into the TDL...not the way I would've handled things but, that's the reality.
- isaiah520

I disagree that this is a transition year. The Flyers have enough on Defense. That is not going to be the approcah or the mindset of the Flyers Organization.

I tend to agree with you, but to take the other side of the argument, would you be against other infrastructure such as libraries, parks, etc.

I have no idea of the Phoenix situation. But a thoughtful analyis would look at parking revenue (for city), taxes on players and other employees, increase in econcomic growth in the city (restaurants, etc.) and the related tax revenue, etc.

Benefit versus the cost - that type of thing.
- Daman

Parks, libraries, etc. are not quite the same thing, but I agree it's not a black and white issue either.

Didn't that dude get hit by a car, nearly dying, and calling it the best day of his life?

One of the best movies ever (if you have worked in the corporate world).
- Daman

yep. definitely a funny movie

I'd rather see the kids play and get the ice time and responsibility to grow. I also think that they need size and grit in the top 9 more than a guy like Semin. I do think there's a bit of an attitude issue, too...just not as severe as Zherdev.

I could probably be convinced of Semin on a one year deal for less money, but he's far from my first, or even third choice.
- Jsaquella

less money maybe...
i do like the idea (for right now) of having some cap space.