Semin to Detroit and Doan staying in Phoenix woule be fine with me, overall. If we stand pat as we are, maybe adding a 4C like Moore, and trading Lilja to a team in need of a #7, that's cool. With Pronger on LTIR, let's see what the kids can do in year 2 of them being together (minus JVR or course). If we totally bomb through the first 30 games, we can start thinking of tinkering more. The real goal should be to remain competitive, top 4-5 in the East, until the TDL. Make a splash or two then, and push through to next off-season. Patience will pay off, when we can target Weber and Perry, potentially.

No this is a prime example of what happens when you trade 6 guys and future for 1 guy. sure it will make you good but is it worth trading all of that potential? Often times we have to use history to try and figure out the future.

How many teams have traded six guys and that guy has taken them to the cup (and win it all)?

Its been shown time and time again that depth wins cups.
- Philly1980

the thing with that Lindros trade is, the Flyers failed to continue building around Lindros. That team without him yes was horrid at times. Had Clarke continued to put a quality team around him and not some quasi goons on skates thing, That could have been one helluva team. Furthermore the best they could do in net was Hextall 2.0 when he was past his prime. Don't get me started on bringing in Sean Burke that time

If I recall the Avs also got some other pieces along the way. Little known players like Roy and Bourque.
- Daman

"Philadelphia Flyers traded Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, 1st round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, 1st round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals - Nolan Baumgartner) in 1994 and cash to the Quebec Nordiques for Eric Lindros."

Thibault help get Roy
"Montreal Canadiens traded Patrick Roy and Mike Keane to the Colorado Avalanche for Andrei Kovalenko, Martin Rucinsky and Jocelyn Thibault."

Ricci helped get Tanguay
San Jose Sharks traded Shean Donovan and 1st round selection (Alex Tanguay) to the Colorado Avalanche for Mike Ricci and 2nd round selection (later traded to the Buffalo Sabres - Jaroslav Kristek) in 1998.

Simon helped get Jonesy...
"Washington Capitals traded Keith Jones, a 1st round selection (Scott Parker) in 1998 and a 4th round selection (later traded back to Washington - Krys Barch) in 1998 to the Colorado Avalanche for Curtis Leschyshyn and Chris Simon."

Semin to Detroit and Doan staying in Phoenix woule be fine with me, overall. If we stand pat as we are, maybe adding a 4C like Moore, and trading Lilja to a team in need of a #7, that's cool. With Pronger on LTIR, let's see what the kids can do in year 2 of them being together (minus JVR or course). If we totally bomb through the first 30 games, we can start thinking of tinkering more. The real goal should be to remain competitive, top 4-5 in the East, until the TDL. Make a splash or two then, and push through to next off-season. Patience will pay off, when we can target Weber and Perry, potentially.
- Rocktane

I'm not taking issue with your opinion but I do cringe when I see "patience". I've been waiting for the third Cup since 1976. Some of us have no patience left. So far the off season is underwhelming.

the changing landscape of the flyers d given the set of circumstances at that time
- isaiah520

Holmgren traded for a young quality defenseman in Luke Schenn. He attempted to sign Suter. And attemtped to re-sign Carle.

Because you're completely misreading the core of my post.

Financials aside, which I don't think will be an issue anyways, would you move Read and Jake in a deal for Weber right now given the fact that we've lost forward depth already this summer?
- LordStanley88

Yes, I would move them for Weber.

"Philadelphia Flyers traded Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, 1st round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, 1st round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals - Nolan Baumgartner) in 1994 and cash to the Quebec Nordiques for Eric Lindros."

Thibault help get Roy
"Montreal Canadiens traded Patrick Roy and Mike Keane to the Colorado Avalanche for Andrei Kovalenko, Martin Rucinsky and Jocelyn Thibault."

Ricci helped get Tanguay
San Jose Sharks traded Shean Donovan and 1st round selection (Alex Tanguay) to the Colorado Avalanche for Mike Ricci and 2nd round selection (later traded to the Buffalo Sabres - Jaroslav Kristek) in 1998.

Simon helped get Jonesy...
"Washington Capitals traded Keith Jones, a 1st round selection (Scott Parker) in 1998 and a 4th round selection (later traded back to Washington - Krys Barch) in 1998 to the Colorado Avalanche for Curtis Leschyshyn and Chris Simon."
- leon neon

Six degrees of Kevin Bacon

Andre the Giant - Billy Crystal (Princess Bride)
Billy Cyrstal - Jack Nicholson (I'm still here)
Jack Nicholson - Kevin Bacon (A few good men)

I don't. Enstrom would instantly QB the PP on the 1st unit and is fully capable of scoring 50-60 points. Defensively, he still needs to improve, but his positioning has gotten better.
- LordStanley88

Yes, Enstrom certainly could QB the PP and put up points. But he's not the defender that Timonen is, or the horse that can log big minutes on the PK. Enstrom would absolutely improve the Flyers.

the thing with that Lindros trade is, the Flyers failed to continue building around Lindros. That team without him yes was horrid at times. Had Clarke continued to put a quality team around him and not some quasi goons on skates thing, That could have been one helluva team. Furthermore the best they could do in net was Hextall 2.0 when he was past his prime. Don't get me started on bringing in Sean Burke that time
- JoeRussomanno

The Lindros trade was not Clarke... And, Clarke pulled off some good trades afterwards. Recchi/LeClair (Lindros line 1linemates) and Desjardins (#1 defenseman) for a 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and Zubrus.

"Montreal Canadiens traded Eric Desjardins, Gilbert Dionne and John LeClair to the Philadelphia Flyers for Mark Recchi and 3rd round selection (Martin Hohenberger) in 1995."

Then he gets Recchi back... "Montreal Canadiens traded Mark Recchi to the Philadelphia Flyers for Dainius Zubrus, a 2nd round selection (Matt Carkner) in 1999 and a 6th round selection (previously acquired - Scott Selig) in 2000."

Six degrees of Kevin Bacon

Andre the Giant - Billy Crystal (Princess Bride)
Billy Cyrstal - Jack Nicholson (I'm still here)
Jack Nicholson - Kevin Bacon (A few good men)
- Daman

actually its only 2 degrees if that.

actually its only 2 degrees if that.
- Philly1980

Kevin Bacon was responsible for the career success of Kelly Clarkson.



Kelly Clarkson was in From Justin to Kelly (2003) with Marc Macaulay

Marc Macaulay was in Wild Things (1998) with Kevin Bacon

The Lindros trade was not Clarke... And, Clarke pulled off some good trades afterwards. Recchi/LeClair (Lindros line 1linemates) and Desjardins (#1 defenseman) for a 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and Zubrus.

"Montreal Canadiens traded Eric Desjardins, Gilbert Dionne and John LeClair to the Philadelphia Flyers for Mark Recchi and 3rd round selection (Martin Hohenberger) in 1995."

Then he gets Recchi back... "Montreal Canadiens traded Mark Recchi to the Philadelphia Flyers for Dainius Zubrus, a 2nd round selection (Matt Carkner) in 1999 and a 6th round selection (previously acquired - Scott Selig) in 2000."
- leon neon

Not sure what your point is, all I'm saying is they didn't continue to build a great team around Lindros in the non-salary Cap NHL. IF Lindros, Leclair and Brind'amour weren't firing on all cylinders forget it. Remember Clarke saying something about having a team of big players would wear down the other team. That worked good against the Sabres and aging Rangers of the league, but when he played teams with some skill and speed it was disaster, see 97 finals and getting ousted by Florida the year before.

Semin aint coming here.

Doan is a longshot but would be great. We all know this.

I think you'll be surprised by the contributions of Dustin Brown, ooops, I mean B. Schenn this year.

Scoring will go down but that is not a concern. T
- Daman

he Kings couldn't score anything last year and won the Cup

. The point I am making is that we should play better team D. And I think the 3rd line will be more a checking line this year and less a depth line. You'll see what I mean when the season starts.

I don't believe we have a perfect RW for Giroux, but time will tell. Not the end of the world.

We will make a push for Ryan for sure.

Our D is not exactly the Niedermeyer show but we should be physical and tougher down low. Mez Coburn Schenn Grossmann - should be fun to watch.

Perhaps we can see a breakout year from Coburn, who has all the physical tools IMO. One of the best Flyer trades ever.

We're in good shape - if you don't think so, what team would you rather put on the ice in the Eastern Conference? Rangers - Yes. Everyone else - we're right there.

Actually when the Kings started scoring is when they became the team everyone thought they were and they marched through the playoffs.

Not sure what your point is, all I'm saying is they didn't continue to build a great team around Lindros in the non-salary Cap NHL. IF Lindros, Leclair and Brind'amour weren't firing on all cylinders forget it. Remember Clarke saying something about having a team of big players would wear down the other team. That worked good against the Sabres and aging Rangers of the league, but when he played teams with some skill and speed it was disaster, see 97 finals and getting ousted by Florida the year before.
- JoeRussomanno

They also had a fantastic checking 3rd line in Otto, Podein, and Klatt.

They also had a fantastic checking 3rd line in Otto, Podein, and Klatt.
- MJL

it was good but having just Desjardins and therien on the blueline was another failure. Needed depth and they never got it without a salary cap, that aggravated me. Not getting Curtis Joseph and going for the older cheaper Vanbiesbrouck... ugh allright I'm done they came a long way since those days, let's just say that.

Holmgren traded for a young quality defenseman in Luke Schenn. He attempted to sign Suter. And attemtped to re-sign Carle.
- MJL

didn't work out too well. time for plan D.

Yes, Enstrom certainly could QB the PP and put up points. But he's not the defender that Timonen is, or the horse that can log big minutes on the PK. Enstrom would absolutely improve the Flyers.
- MJL

Wholly agree there. I do think he could become a #1 in the future though.

didn't work out too well. time for plan D.
- isaiah520

you mean plan G. as in Gervais

Yes, I would move them for Weber.
- MJL

Do you think Nashville would consider Read, Jake, Cousins, and 2 1sts rder?

didn't work out too well. time for plan D.
- isaiah520

How do you know? They haven't even played a game yet!

Do you think Nashville would consider Read, Jake, Cousins, and 2 1sts rder?
- LordStanley88

No chance. They'd need at least one of Schenn or Couts.

you mean plan G. as in Gervais


- JoeRussomanno

Do you think Nashville would consider Read, Jake, Cousins, and 2 1sts rder?
- LordStanley88

I don't know. I think they might be able to get a better deal.

How do you know? They haven't even played a game yet!
- MJL

you said that it was not a big stretch for me to say that homer would trade for a puck mover, so which is it? I wanted that puck mover last yr when we were in a better position to move assets, that's all. and counting on a UFA is not a plan...

I don't know. I think they might be able to get a better deal.
- MJL

Hmmm. I don't know.

I don't believe Detroit could offer more, ditto for Vancouver.

Obviously Schenn/Couts would be their targets though.