David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
@faceofgravy Fact is, other than MacArthur nobody else (even Kulemin) showed they can be a 2nd liner this year. That's why Leafs are hunting
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22s Gravy Face ‏@faceofgravy
@TheFourthPeriod they absolutely are not hunting for wingers. Lupul played great this year, Mac's numbers are on par for top6. Kadri next up

Guy thinks first of all, JVR is going to stick as center, and if he does, we're trading for more wingers.
- gravyface

If you read further he reiterated for his reasoning.

"JVR played the position in University and the US-18 program."

You know, there were a couple of funny posts, but then it just turned into a sh*tfest...I took my leave to go ruin other threads with my stench...
- Flyfreaky

both Gardiner and Riley have the potential to be number one defensemen.

So the way I look at it, we give up our current 1D for a 1C.......... we have potentially a 1D in the system whereas we have no 1C in the system
- faceto27

This isn't a bad thought...Briere, Voracek, and a first for Dion and Gunner...Or Briere for Gunner...

Agreed, too much. But now we're in the market for a #1 defenseman because nobody else on the Leafs are capable of eating Dion's minutes. And that #1 defenseman is going to cost us another pile of prospects and roster players, so we've basically stripmined our team to address a #1 center, exactly what Burke said he wouldn't do (and exactly what alot of teams are not going to do for people like Nash or Ryan).
- gravyface

Phaneuf is not a #1 Defenseman.. because he is bad at defending.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
@faceofgravy Fact is, other than MacArthur nobody else (even Kulemin) showed they can be a 2nd liner this year. That's why Leafs are hunting
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22s Gravy Face ‏@faceofgravy
@TheFourthPeriod they absolutely are not hunting for wingers. Lupul played great this year, Mac's numbers are on par for top6. Kadri next up

Guy thinks first of all, JVR is going to stick as center, and if he does, we're trading for more wingers.
- gravyface

Not as far fetched as you may think

If you read further he reiterated for his reasoning.

"JVR played the position in University and the US-18 program."
- LeafMan

Where he failed miserably...

Where he failed miserably...
- Flyfreaky

I was pointing out why he said it, I have no idea how he did there.

Ya its all Burkes fault tucker got bought out before he even got here. . . .
- Cfser

How are ya stud?

This isn't a bad thought...Briere, Voracek, and a first for Dion and Gunner...Or Briere for Gunner...
- Flyfreaky

The first proposal leaves us rather thin at the moment on Defense. I'd go for the second offer though.

Deal??

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
@faceofgravy Fact is, other than MacArthur nobody else (even Kulemin) showed they can be a 2nd liner this year. That's why Leafs are hunting
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22s Gravy Face ‏@faceofgravy
@TheFourthPeriod they absolutely are not hunting for wingers. Lupul played great this year, Mac's numbers are on par for top6. Kadri next up

Guy thinks first of all, JVR is going to stick as center, and if he does, we're trading for more wingers.
- gravyface

Ummmm....Grabbo?.....and why not Kulemin? just because he didnt score as much doesn't mean he didnt play 2nd line grade....prob the best 2 way fwd we had last year

I was pointing out why he said it, I have no idea how he did there.
- LeafMan

Nor do I...I thought it was an expected response...

The first proposal leaves us rather thin at the moment on Defense. I'd go for the second offer though.

Deal??
- faceto27

Well, lets tweet it to Homer and Burke...They seem to be good buddies...

both Gardiner and Riley have the potential to be number one defensemen.

So the way I look at it, we give up our current 1D for a 1C.......... we have potentially a 1D in the system whereas we have no 1C in the system
- faceto27

Phaneuf while plays #1 D is not really a game changer now is he....Sure we all get dic tingles when he lays the smack down on an open ice hit, but.......his shot rarely hits the net....he constanly puts himself out of position going for the big hit which results in 2 on 1's the other way, and i would not consider him Elite.

I would include Dion in such a trade if we could lock up Getz long term

If you read further he reiterated for his reasoning.

"JVR played the position in University and the US-18 program."
- LeafMan

It's not so much that -- I think there's a 50/50 chance he succeeds at center -- it's the "looking to acquire a 2nd line winger" when we have MacArthur, Kadri, Frattin, and to a lesser extent Connolly and Lombardi (who would move up if JVR's at center) on our active roster.

Phaneuf while plays #1 D is not really a game changer now is he....Sure we all get dic tingles when he lays the smack down on an open ice hit, but.......his shot rarely hits the net....he constanly puts himself out of position going for the big hit which results in 2 on 1's the other way, and i would not consider him Elite.

I would include Dion in such a trade if we could lock up Getz long term
- billyberg10

Do you think any of these ramblings about how players on the Leafs preform have any direct connection to the sh*tty coaching and systems in place? Whenever they leave they become superstars...

Nope winger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...NHL_Entry_Draft#Round_one
- gravyface

Gravyface, or egg-on-your-face?

Drafted by the Philadelphia Flyers in 2007, the 6-foot-3, 200-pound van Riemsdyk had experience playing centre before he got to the NHL, at the University of New Hampshire and with the U.S. under-18 program.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam.../2012/07/05/19956881.html

Not so tough now, are you, tough guy?

I can bench 385 lbs.

And you know that isn't a lie, because it's 385 - not 350 or 375.

This isn't a bad thought...Briere, Voracek, and a first for Dion and Gunner...Or Briere for Gunner...
- Flyfreaky

Troll

Troll
- Boosinicka

You no like?

Do you think any of these ramblings about how players on the Leafs preform have any direct connection to the sh*tty coaching and systems in place? Whenever they leave they become superstars...
- Flyfreaky

Beauch sure found his game again when he went back to Anaheim. What a crazy coincidence eh?

Beauch sure found his game again when he went back to Anaheim. What a crazy coincidence eh?
- Boosinicka

Who?

Phaneuf while plays #1 D is not really a game changer now is he....Sure we all get dic tingles when he lays the smack down on an open ice hit, but.......his shot rarely hits the net....he constanly puts himself out of position going for the big hit which results in 2 on 1's the other way, and i would not consider him Elite.

I would include Dion in such a trade if we could lock up Getz long term
- billyberg10

That's been debunked; don't recall where, but somebody did a write-up.

I don't consider him elite either, but there's very few I do. Fact remains that if we move Dion, we have a big hole on defense that's not going to be filled by Gardiner or Rielly any time soon. Plus there's no way Burke moves Dion for Getzlaf, not when he just moved Schenn who was, at one point, supposed to be the "future captain", which it was rumoured to be in part because he didn't get along with Dion.

Do you think any of these ramblings about how players on the Leafs preform have any direct connection to the sh*tty coaching and systems in place? Whenever they leave they become superstars...
- Flyfreaky

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love trolling.

But I have to draw the line somewhere.

Just who exactly has left the Leafs and become a superstar?

Pony?

Antropov?

Tlusty?

Coca-Cola?

Steen?

Kaberle?

Versteeg?

Finger?

Do you think any of these ramblings about how players on the Leafs preform have any direct connection to the sh*tty coaching and systems in place? Whenever they leave they become superstars...
- Flyfreaky

Theres a reason Calgary traded him for a bag of sweaty nutsaks.....The only players we really regret trading away in the last few years would be.........Steen,white,and of course...Tukka Rask.......

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love trolling.

But I have to draw the line somewhere.

Just who exactly has left the Leafs and become a superstar?

Pony?

Antropov?

Tlusty?

Coca-Cola?

Steen?

Kaberle?

Versteeg?

Finger?
- Atomic Wedgie

I might have gotten somewhat carried away...I was thinking about the Monster...

Theres a reason Calgary traded him for a bag of sweaty nutsaks.....The only players we really regret trading away in the last few years would be.........Steen,white,and of course...Tukka Rask.......
- billyberg10

Rask is a killer...