holy poop dude - he did it once. You can call anybody anything off of 1 great season.
- Big_Lightnin

Well, he still thinks Kipper is better than most goalies in the league today because he won the vezina some odd years ago...

Dupuis = 6 foot, 6 goals 11 assists 17 points 46 face-off percentage 128 hits 10 giveaways 44 takeaways PK champion 27 years old.

McAvalanche = 6'1, 10 goals 7 assists 17 points 51 face-off percentage 72 hits 16 giveaways 34 takeaways PK champion 29 years old.
- AdamFrench

comparing McClemment's worst season to Dupuis's best(only) season.

Smells like NHL12, gm mode in here.
- Tee-Dot

Salary cap off.

As was already said, pretty sure he wasn't allowed to participate in the draft, and even if he did, no GM is going to ignore the scouts that have been working on the draft all year for a guy he just brought in.
- Feeling Glucky?

I get that, but if you think Dudley didn't say a single word about the draft/prospects leading up to the draft, you're crazy.

It served no purpose for the Leafs.

I'd prefer Stastny, Dubinsky doesn't seem to be a first line centerman to me.

Yeah, like you said, something along the lines of Bozak, MacArthur, and a prospect, or picks...

Connolly would most likely get knocked out , but wouldn't be our problem. Feaster seems to be driving them further into the ground, they don't have any capable 1st line centers, Connollys questionable but still, they have to move Bouwmeester at some point. Why not give him a shot, I mean we got Phaneuf for Stajan, White, Hagman, and Mayers...
- ThePresident

Any real legit reason why the AVs trade Statsny for Bozak yet? Or JBo for Connololy? Any at all why either take that crap?

I'd prefer Stastny, Dubinsky doesn't seem to be a first line centerman to me.

Yeah, like you said, something along the lines of Bozak, MacArthur, and a prospect, or picks...

Connolly would most likely get knocked out , but wouldn't be our problem. Feaster seems to be driving them further into the ground, they don't have any capable 1st line centers, Connollys questionable but still, they have to move Bouwmeester at some point. Why not give him a shot, I mean we got Phaneuf for Stajan, White, Hagman, and Mayers...
- ThePresident

ya, I just assume Stastny would cost a lot more to get and his cap hit is $2M higher. Niether is the ideal fit, so I go with the cheaper option.

Marleau is a better fit - wish he was 28 instead of 32, but that could work too for the next couple years, as long as the search continued.

ya, I just assume Stastny would cost a lot more to get and his cap hit is $2M higher. Niether is the ideal fit, so I go with the cheaper option.

Marleau is a better fit - wish he was 28 instead of 32, but that could work too for the next couple years, as long as the search continued.
- Big_Lightnin

Brian Huddle will puke on you if we get Stastny.

Any real legit reason why the AVs trade Statsny for Bozak yet? Or JBo for Connololy? Any at all why either take that crap?
- eihcnerf

Bozak, MacArther, Gunnarson/Franson?

replaces Statsny's salary with 3 players, keeps them just over the cap floor, and O'Reilly moves up to 2nd line center, Bozak goes 3rd, or vice versa...

not ridiculous.

Cap floor going up made Stastny moving more likely actually.

By the looks of things it is set on easy.
- eihcnerf

Oh for sure. I can't wait until someone says we should have taken the Kessel and Kaberle deal for Stamkos.

(It worked in the game)

Bozak, MacArther, Gunnarson/Franson?

replaces Statsny's salary with 3 players, keeps them just over the cap floor, and O'Reilly moves up to 2nd line center, Bozak goes 3rd, or vice versa...

not ridiculous.

Cap floor going up made Stastny moving more likely actually.
- Big_Lightnin

Now why do they lose one of their top 2 centers and replace him with Bozak? They would like to finish where the leafs did last year and not compete? And nobody is near as high on either Gunnar or Franson as leaf fans are. Not even remotely.

Salary cap off.


- jbold

Now I know why Burke turned down a 1st for Grabo at deadline...

They offered me TWO 1sts for him in the game.

This was the first time Kessel had ever scored 70 or more points.
- Two_For_Truth

fine... he still scores 30 goals every year with his eyes closed - 4 yrs in a row now.

when Eberle does it a couple more times, then we'll talk.

for further information, see Kulemin, Nikolai

I get that, but if you think Dudley didn't say a single word about the draft/prospects leading up to the draft, you're crazy.

It served no purpose for the Leafs.
- As_I_See_It

So, not letting Dudley go over until after the draft, what do they get out of it?

He's not under 24 hour surveillance, as you pointed out, so there's no reason he can't pick up a phone and let MTL know what Toronto's planning. In fact, you're potentially leaking more up-to-date info than you do by letting him go over.

You're also keeping a guy who clearly wanted out, who you're forcing to stay... can you really trust the advice he'll give you now, knowing he's going to one of your rivals?

Letting him go just makes sure you maintain relationships. Remember, Leafs got him before the draft too. Woulda looked pretty hypocritical if after acquiring a guy just prior to the draft, they wouldn't let him go somewhere else under similar circumstances.

Neither van Riemsdyk or Kadri will be 1st line centers. They might try it but it won't stick. Lombardi looks like a good candidate to end up with the Marlies but Connolly and MacArthur, if not traded, are likely to stick in the lineup. Frattin might not be healthy for the start of the season.
- Two_For_Truth

Lupul Bozak Kessel
JVR Grabbo Kadri
Mac/Connolly McC Kulemin
Brown Steckel Komarov

Frattin (IR)
Lombardi
Colborne
D'Amigo
Ashton

Way too many forwards.....something's gotta give

No reason at all man, carry on...
- eihcnerf

Atleast state why you think it's unrealistic, what do you think it would take to get Stastny? 6.6 million dollar cap hit, been underperforming, expendable on a deep center positioned Avs team. Also, Bouwmeester, not exactly a hot commodity right now, or even for the last couple of years, the flames have to many Dmen, lost Jokinen, been rumored he's on the market. Most likely would cost close to nothing due to his recent play, contract, and backlog on the defensive end. Realistically, what do you think these guys are worth? I said Bozak, and other parts for Stastny. Connolly, and a pick for Bouwmeester, offers the flames flexibility on their roster, and salary cap.

Now why do they lose one of their top 2 centers and replace him with Bozak? They would like to finish where the leafs did last year and not compete? And nobody is near as high on either Gunnar or Franson as leaf fans are. Not even remotely.
- eihcnerf

*grabs beer*

Atleast state why you think it's unrealistic, what do you think it would take to get Stastny? 6.6 million dollar cap hit, been underperforming, expendable on a deep center positioned Avs team. Also, Bouwmeester, not exactly a hot commodity right now, or even for the last couple of years, the flames have to many Dmen, lost Jokinen, been rumored he's on the market. Most likely would cost close to nothing due to his recent play, contract, and backlog on the defensive end. Realistically, what do you think these guys are worth? I said Bozak, and other parts for Stastny. Connolly, and a pick for Bouwmeester, offers the flames flexibility on their roster, and salary cap.
- ThePresident

The difference between a hot commodity and giving overpaid/underachieving players away for complete scrubs is quite a huge one.

comparing McClemment's worst season to Dupuis's best(only) season.
- Feeling Glucky?

How about ....

McLement = Brent = (Dupuis + 1 can of red bull) = Steckel = Moore = (Boyce + 2 cans of red bull) = (Zigomanis + 3 cans of red bull) = etc ....

Now why do they lose one of their top 2 centers and replace him with Bozak? They would like to finish where the leafs did last year and not compete? And nobody is near as high on either Gunnar or Franson as leaf fans are. Not even remotely.
- eihcnerf

Have you seen any Cloutier blogs on the topic of Franson?

Guy's got a bigger boner for him than any Leafs fan.

Now I know why Burke turned down a 1st for Grabo at deadline...

They offered me TWO 1sts for him in the game.
- Tee-Dot

I get the pooptiest trade proposals thrown at me.


Mara+4th round pick for Toews. Like, really?

Now why do they lose one of their top 2 centers and replace him with Bozak? They would like to finish where the leafs did last year and not compete? And nobody is near as high on either Gunnar or Franson as leaf fans are. Not even remotely.
- eihcnerf

$6.6M for 20G, 55pts.

Bozak and Mac get you close to that each for a fraction of the cost.

Gunnar is a steal and a half. Put him in another jersey and everybody will talk about how Leafs never should have let him go.

Franson's still a project with potential.
both have trade value as additions to a deal.

Have you seen any Cloutier blogs on the topic of Franson?

Guy's got a bigger boner for him than any Leafs fan.
- Feeling Glucky?

Hey, maybe we can trade him, Bozak, and Komisarek for Eberle then!!!

Yayyyy! I sound like a Leaf fan now.

Have you seen any Cloutier blogs on the topic of Franson?

Guy's got a bigger boner for him than any Leafs fan.
- Feeling Glucky?

Cloutier is on crack, and it's Edmonton, they covet any dman that can tie up his own skates by himself.

The difference between a hot commodity and giving overpaid/underachieving players away for complete scrubs is quite a huge one.
- eihcnerf

Stajan, Hagman, White, Mayers

For

Dion Phaneuf
Keith Aulie

Lebda, Slaney

For

Franson
Lombardi

Beauchemin

For

Gardiner
Lupul

Blake
Toskala

For

Giguere


It's been done before.

So, not letting Dudley go over until after the draft, what do they get out of it?

He's not under 24 hour surveillance, as you pointed out, so there's no reason he can't pick up a phone and let MTL know what Toronto's planning. In fact, you're potentially leaking more up-to-date info than you do by letting him go over.

You're also keeping a guy who clearly wanted out, who you're forcing to stay... can you really trust the advice he'll give you now, knowing he's going to one of your rivals?

Letting him go just makes sure you maintain relationships. Remember, Leafs got him before the draft too. Woulda looked pretty hypocritical if after acquiring a guy just prior to the draft, they wouldn't let him go somewhere else under similar circumstances.
- Feeling Glucky?

Fair points.

Damn you Glucky, you're to rational!