Kessel is 24 years old, where was perry at then?
- ThePresident

Eberle > Kessel

Don't forget Eberle. Everyone always forgets Eberle.

Or Martin St. Louis.
- Two_For_Truth

nah Eberle needs another year before it's obvious he's better than Kessel

St Louis is too old.

I'm looking at it as who you could trade for who.

Kessel for Eberle would be Eberle + coming back.

St Louis it would also be St Louis + (well maybe not, but it should be...)

I'd call a 70+ point powerforward pretty outstanding.
- Feeling Glucky?

Now imagine why you think so highly of a no hitting 7 goal scorer in Kulimen.

this is the 1st season Kessel has ever had more points than him, and Perry still had 37G...

oh, and that one outstanding season he was the (frank)ing Hart trophy...

he's better. quite a bit actually.
- Big_Lightnin

It's not like Perry scored 50 goals or anything.

Eberle > Kessel



- robin_steele264

see above...

Has anyone here see the movie Running Scared?

Yup, i was just confused because Burke said it might have been the first time he would pick a positional need over BPA if the talent levels were close. IMO at #5 Rielly was the player with the highest upside and least risk (i dont consider his knee a risk). And what Rielly showed in the combine and also rehabbing his knee, Burke and Morrison fell in love, even though we already have enough PMD on our team.
- peddy-93

If Galy had fallen, he'd probably have taken him. That's definitely the guy he was referring to.

I don't think Burke's lying when he says he had Rielly as the top player in the draft... I don't agree with him, but we know he's not a big fan of the Ruskies, and values character, so that probably knocked Yakupov down a couple of notches, Murray is a great all-around d-man, but Rielly is supposed to have more pure offensive ability, Rienhart is a guy some people think has all the tools but no toolbox. It comes down to Galy vs Rielly, and both guys are considered pretty close in talent... so it's not hard to see someone choosing one over the other.

That being said, I'd have drafted Grigs or Dumba, maybe Forsberg.

Now imagine why you think so highly of a no hitting 7 goal scorer in Kulimen.
- eihcnerf

Because I know more than you.

nah Eberle needs another year before it's obvious he's better than Kessel
- Big_Lightnin

Eberle scored 34 goals and 76 points at 22 years old. Sure, give him another year.

see above...
- Big_Lightnin

Eberle has proven how awesome/clutch he is already.

Don't forget Patrick Kane!
- MCharisma91

Nah I take Kessel over Kane at this point. Never liked that little poop.

If Galy had fallen, he'd probably have taken him. That's definitely the guy he was referring to.

I don't think Burke's lying when he says he had Rielly as the top player in the draft... I don't agree with him, but we know he's not a big fan of the Ruskies, and values character, so that probably knocked Yakupov down a couple of notches, Murray is a great all-around d-man, but Rielly is supposed to have more pure offensive ability, Rienhart is a guy some people think has all the tools but no toolbox. It comes down to Galy vs Rielly, and both guys are considered pretty close in talent... so it's not hard to see someone choosing one over the other.

That being said, I'd have drafted Grigs or Dumba, maybe Forsberg.
- Feeling Glucky?

Thank you Dudley!!!

Because I know more than you.
- Feeling Glucky?

Reality has never been one of your strong suits.

Eberle has proven how awesome/clutch he is already.
- robin_steele264

Kessel had more GWG's - he's pretty clutch

as I said, give it another year, then yes, he's on the list, unless Kessel puts up 40+/90+.

Reality has never been one of your strong suits.
- eihcnerf

Says the guy who thought the Habs would be a dynasty after acquiring Gomez.

Eberle scored 34 goals and 76 points at 22 years old. Sure, give him another year.
- Two_For_Truth

UG. Why did you make another account?

Kessel had more GWG's - he's pretty clutch

as I said, give it another year, then yes, he's on the list, unless Kessel puts up 40+/90+.
- Big_Lightnin

Are you counting international play?

If Galy had fallen, he'd probably have taken him. That's definitely the guy he was referring to.

I don't think Burke's lying when he says he had Rielly as the top player in the draft... I don't agree with him, but we know he's not a big fan of the Ruskies, and values character, so that probably knocked Yakupov down a couple of notches, Murray is a great all-around d-man, but Rielly is supposed to have more pure offensive ability, Rienhart is a guy some people think has all the tools but no toolbox. It comes down to Galy vs Rielly, and both guys are considered pretty close in talent... so it's not hard to see someone choosing one over the other.

That being said, I'd have drafted Grigs or Dumba, maybe Forsberg.
- Feeling Glucky?

I wanted Galy the most, but when MTL took him, i wanted Grigs but i knew there was no chance burke would take him. Forsberg is said to have all the tools, but none are elite. Rielly to me has the most upside of the dmen in this draft. Murray is better all around, but Rielly has elite potential offensively, and has a high hockey IQ and is responsible in his own end.

Says the guy who thought the Habs would be a dynasty after acquiring Gomez.
- Feeling Glucky?

Says the guy who totally made that up. Way to go Glucky your trolling has become so weak you fabricate things, you are the Ek of trolls, well done.

UG. Why did you make another account?
- jbold

Is that a serious question?

McClement wont be on the wing.

if you listened to Carlyles/Burkes interview, they've stated that he's a good defensive shutdown center and is great on faceoffs.

Carlyle is going to use him like he used Pahlsson in Anaheim.
- jbold

In spite of your calling me lazy (which I totally am btw) ....

...I'll agree and say you're right, at least today. BB made it clear he signed McLement to play the 3rd line centre role. That may change but if we're making lineups based on today's roster he gets the #3 hole. Connolly gets to fight with Bozak for top stop and/or Steckel for the energy line.

McLement between Kulemin and Frattin ...all notorious forecheckers is a good start to finally having a real checking line.

Are you counting international play?



- robin_steele264

for adults

Thank you Dudley!!!
- eihcnerf

Notice how when Dudley became Habs AGM, they became "tougher".....

Kessel had more GWG's - he's pretty clutch

as I said, give it another year, then yes, he's on the list, unless Kessel puts up 40+/90+.
- Big_Lightnin

Remember all those people who were posting that article about how Phaneuf was overrated, as voted by NHLers?


I wonder why they didn't post that article that has Kessel as one of the best players in the NHL.

ya I was just trying to bait you into saying Kessel is better than Ovie with that one. Cause that conversation happened a couple days ago actually. Was embarassing.

Ryan is a better 2 way player than Kessel, and he's more complete offensively.

This isn't a poop on Kessel debate - but if Burke could trade Kessel for EITHER Ryan or Perry straight up, he'd due it in a flash, so would every other GM in the league, so would 99% of people who've ever heard of hockey.
- Big_Lightnin

To me Perry is on the decline, I know he's 27, but he plays a rough style, will take a toll on his body. I wouldn't trade a 24 year old ppg player for 27 year old 60-70 point player, keep in mind each players linemates as well. Ryan, I don't think he has lived up to his #2 overall billing, another 60pt player, how is he more complete offensively? Keep in mind where these guys were at when they were 24. Kessel still has alot of time to grow and improve, in my opinion Kessel will be much better then he is now, and them at 27. I really like Ryan as a player, and would love him on the Leafs, but I think Kessel is better.