If you get a GM desperate enough, he'll make a bad move. That's probably why Bobby Ryan isn't a Flyer, because Bob Murray is trying to force other GM's into desperate moves and overpay.

Poile's in a tough spot, but he's not totally screwed yet.
- Jsaquella

Thing is I don't think the Flyers should be desperate for Weber. I can live with adding Enstrom or Edler possibly both if we have the money and they wanted to come. Weber is a monster no question but the Flyers don't need him to win a cup IMO.

Which is the point I'm making. No team is going to give up a Kings ransom for one year of Weber, or half of year if he's traded at the deadline.

Weber may already know where he wants to play, and if that team knows that, they won't trade for him, they will simply wait for him to become a free agent and sign him without gutting their franchise.
- PLindbergh31

Carolina didn't do that for Staal.

I wouldn't mind that. If we're talking one year deal then I do mind it but for four years that seems like a fair number.
- stveshdy

I would throw a 4yr $15M deal and see where we are

Well, Weber's got pressure on him, too. If he doesn't re-sign, he could be facing vastly different rules under a new CBA.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, forgot about that, man that sucks, the games best defenseman becomes a UFA & could have all kind of new contract restrictions.
However, with Donald Fehr at the helm, will they be as different as they are now?
Honestly, he scares me into thinking we may lose another season.

For a big time player.
- MJL

That's a lot to give up but I think that's what's it would take to land Weber in a trade.

Thing is I don't think the Flyers should be desperate for Weber. I can live with adding Enstrom or Edler possibly both if we have the money and they wanted to come. Weber is a monster no question but the Flyers don't need him to win a cup IMO.
- stveshdy

I'm not as desperate as some. I'd be willing to give up a lot to get him, but I'm not willing to go whole hog. I'd have to agree to something along the lines MJL outlined, but I'd want a negotiation window first

That's a lot to give up but I think that's what's it would take to land Weber in a trade.
- stveshdy

It's a Kings ransom no doubt. And it wouldn't be an easy trigger to pull. But I think I'd pull it. Who knows, it may not even be enough.

Thing is I don't think the Flyers should be desperate for Weber. I can live with adding Enstrom or Edler possibly both if we have the money and they wanted to come. Weber is a monster no question but the Flyers don't need him to win a cup IMO.
- stveshdy

I kind of agree, if it gets to that point the bidding would/could be super crazy

Yeah, forgot about that, man that sucks, the games best defenseman becomes a UFA & could have all kind of new contract restrictions.
However, with Donald Fehr at the helm, will they be as different as they are now?
Honestly, he scares me into thinking we may lose another season.
- puckhead17

Fehr's not an idiot. He knows that losing another season could be the deathknell for the league. He's not dumb enough to turn the NHL into Arena football

Fehr's not an idiot. He knows that losing another season could be the deathknell for the league. He's not dumb enough to turn the NHL into Arena football
- Jsaquella

No he's not an idiot, but he's no pushover either, we lost a season & our cap ceiling increased to $70 million, we still grew rapidly after losing a year.
We have seen what personal agendas can do.

I couldn't do that personally.
- ob18

I could do that. Slam dumk.

Coots and Voracek is what we got for Carter. Would you have traded Carter and picks for Weber.

I know that was then and this is now, but 10 years with G and Schenn and Weber is how you build a franchise.

I believe the other pieces would fall into place. Players would want to come to Philly. Just MO.

yeah I know.

I'm trying to imagine my female doging about Edmonton if I were making $5 million a year

don't think so, but again that's fantasy anyway
- puckhead17

Just don't have an affair with a local weather girl and get her knocked up

I could do that. Slam dumk.

Coots and Voracek is what we got for Carter. Would you have traded Carter and picks for Weber.

I know that was then and this is now, but 10 years with G and Schenn and Weber is how you build a franchise.

I believe the other pieces would fall into place. Players would want to come to Philly. Just MO.
- Daman

Just don't have an affair with a local weather girl and get her knocked up
- JoeRussomanno

Like the "telemundo weather girl?

woooooooooooooooooooo

I kind of agree, if it gets to that point the bidding would/could be super crazy
- puckhead17

Anyone who watches hockey knows he's an elite defenseman but the cost in a trade will be costly and signing Weber won't be cheap. I rather add Edler and Enstrom for that price. The odds of getting both might are low but the point is having balance and depth not relying on one player.

Anyone who watches hockey knows he's an elite defenseman but the cost in a trade will be costly and signing Weber won't be cheap. I rather add Edler and Enstrom for that price. The odds of getting both might are low but the point is having balance and depth not relying on one player.
- stveshdy

I can live with a very balanced top 4 or 5 as an alternative plan

No he's not an idiot, but he's no pushover either, we lost a season & our cap ceiling increased to $70 million, we still grew rapidly after losing a year.
We have seen what personal agendas can do.
- puckhead17

The difference now is, the owners do not have the solidarity that the did in 2004-05. The reason that the season was lost was because the owners stood firm and didn't budge.

That's not as likely this time around.

I could do that. Slam dumk.

Coots and Voracek is what we got for Carter. Would you have traded Carter and picks for Weber.

I know that was then and this is now, but 10 years with G and Schenn and Weber is how you build a franchise.

I believe the other pieces would fall into place. Players would want to come to Philly. Just MO.
- Daman

When you break down that way it makes sense but you have to bank on Schenn becoming a star and if you believe that then you probably pull the trigger. I need to see more of Schenn before I'm that confident in him.

So far I love what Holmgren has done with the team. He is not going to give up Couts or Schenn and has not overpaid for anyone. I am happy with this team, even if nothing more is done. Might see then go after Doan, if he is avalible, but if not there might be a few more depth signings and I will be good with that.

Anyone who watches hockey knows he's an elite defenseman but the cost in a trade will be costly and signing Weber won't be cheap. I rather add Edler and Enstrom for that price. The odds of getting both might are low but the point is having balance and depth not relying on one player.
- stveshdy

I thought you were making the case not too long ago for going hog-wild to get baby I mean Bobby Ryan.... perhaps you learned your lesson

The difference now is, the owners do not have the solidarity that the did in 2004-05. The reason that the season was lost was because the owners stood firm and didn't budge.

That's not as likely this time around.
- Jsaquella

I agree, if this season is lost the owners will be (frank)ed, they wont let a lockout happen.

The difference now is, the owners do not have the solidarity that the did in 2004-05. The reason that the season was lost was because the owners stood firm and didn't budge.

That's not as likely this time around.
- Jsaquella

No I know as well it would be damaging to the entire league, just wasn't feeling too comfortable when I saw Fehr here, (baseball, aaaagggggghhhhh).

I could do that. Slam dumk.

Coots and Voracek is what we got for Carter. Would you have traded Carter and picks for Weber.

I know that was then and this is now, but 10 years with G and Schenn and Weber is how you build a franchise.

I believe the other pieces would fall into place. Players would want to come to Philly. Just MO.
- Daman

To be honest, I dont give Couturier up at all. The fact that in his rookie season he made the best player in the World completely disappear in one of the highest scoring playoff series in a long time... still to this day blows me away.

The value of a center who can do that... is truly invaluable and I would not move him at all. To me, Couturier is absolutely untouchable.

I thought you were making the case not too long ago for going hog-wild to get baby I mean Bobby Ryan.... perhaps you learned your lesson
- JoeRussomanno

come on now

So far I love what Holmgren has done with the team. He is not going to give up Couts or Schenn and has not overpaid for anyone. I am happy with this team, even if nothing more is done. Might see then go after Doan, if he is avalible, but if not there might be a few more depth signings and I will be good with that.
- bigmookalookie

I gotta think Doan wants to play in an actual Hockey Market before he retires.