I don't think he has as much as he would have, say a year ago, no one will "gut there team" for 1 year, if they do, they are crazy, a sign and trade actually would behoove both Nashville & another team.
- puckhead17

I don't believe that a team trading for Weber would be approaching it as getting him for one Season. And Weber has to be willing to sign with Nashville long term, in a so called sign and trade. And I don't believe that if Weber wants out of Nashville, he would do that.

I think he'll sign a deal similar to the one David Perron just inked. He's got a hit of $3.8mm now. Voracek's similar and will likely get in that neighborhood
- Jsaquella

I had him on that same similar deal a few weeks ago, but was told I was wrong that he had no leverage being a RFA, and that he would maybe get a one year deal for much lower.

I don't think he has as much as he would have, say a year ago, no one will "gut there team" for 1 year, if they do, they are crazy, a sign and trade actually would behoove both Nashville & another team.
- puckhead17

If you have a couple teams that think that by adding Weber at the TDL they can win a Stanley Cup, Poile could get a very good return for him, without the hassle of the other team getting a chance to hammer out an extension.

All it takes is one other GM pushing. If Holmgren is talking to Poile and Poile tells him that Ray Shero says he doesn't need permission to agree to the trade, that could make that demand disappear

I had him on that same similar deal a few weeks ago, but was told I was wrong that he had no leverage being a RFA, and that he would maybe get a one year deal for much lower.
- puckhead17

Honestly, a month ago, I'd have the ceiling for him at $3mm. Now, after Perron signed, that's the market.

If the Flyers stand pat at were they are now they have a minimum of $14 coming off the cap in Timo, Hartnell,fedetenko, lilja and Shelly. Walker's 1.7 comes off the books as well. Keep in mind the Cap # will probably come down, not go up.

The Flyers have Wellwood, Rinaldo and Simmons and possible Voracek as RFA's to esign next year. the would clearly have the $$$ to land Weber if he indeed wanted to come East. Unless you can get a really good deal at the deadline and could sign him Long term they should stand pat on Weber IMO.
- jstross

If Nashville decides to trade Weber, and your not in on it. He could get traded to another team and never reach Free Agency. So if you want Weber, and Nashville is trading him. You have to get involved.

I was talking about leverage to keep Weber. He has none and teams now it. However, once he's made available teams will be tripping over each other to get to him.

The leverage Poile has with Weber is that he is the best defenseman in the NHL. And he can leverage teams against each other in trade offers.
- MJL

I don't believe that a team trading for Weber would be approaching it as getting him for one Season. And Weber has to be willing to sign with Nashville long term, in a so called sign and trade. And I don't believe that if Weber wants out of Nashville, he would do that.
- MJL

No, I know, there is no sign and trade situation, unless it's understood by both parties, especially when the player isn't honest about staying, like Suter wasn't, as well weber isn't talking either.

OK, MJL. Wht would you give up for weber at the deadline if you couldn't negotiate with him until the deal is made? Just curious.

If Nashville decides to trade Weber, and your not in on it. He could get traded to another team and never reach Free Agency. So if you want Weber, and Nashville is trading him. You have to get involved.
- MJL

If the Flyers stand pat at were they are now they have a minimum of $14 coming off the cap in Timo, Hartnell,fedetenko, lilja and Shelly. Walker's 1.7 comes off the books as well. Keep in mind the Cap # will probably come down, not go up.

The Flyers have Wellwood, Rinaldo and Simmons and possible Voracek as RFA's to esign next year. the would clearly have the $$$ to land Weber if he indeed wanted to come East. Unless you can get a really good deal at the deadline and could sign him Long term they should stand pat on Weber IMO.
- jstross

Weber is the big prize if he come available but Edler or Enstrom aren't bad players to add. They may become available later in the season as well. Weber is a monster by the way.

OK, MJL. Wht would you give up for weber at the deadline if you couldn't negotiate with him until the deal is made? Just curious.
- jstross

I'd be willing to give up Voracek, one of Couturier or Schenn, and draft picks. And if need be, a prospect.

If Nashville wants a defenseman, I'd subtract one of the forwards, and they can have any defenseman on the roster.

If you have a couple teams that think that by adding Weber at the TDL they can win a Stanley Cup, Poile could get a very good return for him, without the hassle of the other team getting a chance to hammer out an extension.

All it takes is one other GM pushing. If Holmgren is talking to Poile and Poile tells him that Ray Shero says he doesn't need permission to agree to the trade, that could make that demand disappear
- Jsaquella

I don't know, I still don't see any package being significant at this stage, in a playoff run or not, they still think they have a chance with him, like your analogy last night of Poile being jilted at the alter by the bride running off with his brother, I believe he has another brother about to do him in.

So is David Perron's deal the comp for Jake?

4 yrs - $3.8M cap hit?

Leight....

So is David Perron's deal the comp for Jake?

4 yrs - $3.8M cap hit?

Leight....
- Bayareaflyer

If Jake signs for that I will be ec(frank)ingstatic.

I'd be willing to give up Voracek, one of Couturier or Schenn, and draft picks. And if need be, a prospect.

If Nashville wants a defenseman, I'd subtract one of the forwards, and they can have any defenseman on the roster.
- MJL

That's a big time offer.

So is David Perron's deal the comp for Jake?

4 yrs - $3.8M cap hit?

Leight....
- Bayareaflyer

It can be when you look at the market & players he compares to

I don't know, I still don't see any package being significant at this stage, in a playoff run or not, they still think they have a chance with him, like your analogy last night of Poile being jilted at the alter by the bride running off with his brother, I believe he has another brother about to do him in.
- puckhead17

If you get a GM desperate enough, he'll make a bad move. That's probably why Bobby Ryan isn't a Flyer, because Bob Murray is trying to force other GM's into desperate moves and overpay.

Poile's in a tough spot, but he's not totally screwed yet.

And if he doesn't resign you're fired, LOL. Just kidding. A big gamble with 2 young studs like that, but I understand you need to give to get.
uturier or Schenn, and draft picks. And if need be, a prospect.

I'd be willing to give up Voracek, one of Couturier or Schenn, and draft picks. And if need be, a prospect.

If Nashville wants a defenseman, I'd subtract one of the forwards, and they can have any defenseman on the roster.
- MJL

I couldn't do that personally.

If you get a GM desperate enough, he'll make a bad move. That's probably why Bobby Ryan isn't a Flyer, because Bob Murray is trying to force other GM's into desperate moves and overpay.

Poile's in a tough spot, but he's not totally screwed yet.
- Jsaquella

Hopefully he gives points for the Forsberg trade

So is David Perron's deal the comp for Jake?

4 yrs - $3.8M cap hit?

Leight....
- Bayareaflyer

I wouldn't mind that. If we're talking one year deal then I do mind it but for four years that seems like a fair number.

link please?
- ob18

sorry I was referencing the folks on the thread here

If you get a GM desperate enough, he'll make a bad move. That's probably why Bobby Ryan isn't a Flyer, because Bob Murray is trying to force other GM's into desperate moves and overpay.

Poile's in a tough spot, but he's not totally screwed yet.
- Jsaquella

Time will tell, and yes, one thing we learn every year, the GM's will compete against each other so hard that someone will pull a boner.

My opinion is that the package won't be enough to salvage at least one of the losses, this late in the game.

I guess Weber has earned the right to have the entire league drool & overbid like crazy next year.

Time will tell, and yes, one thing we learn every year, the GM's will compete against each other so hard that someone will pull a boner.

My opinion is that the package won't be enough to salvage at least one of the losses, this late in the game.

I guess Weber has earned the right to have the entire league drool & overbid like crazy next year.
- puckhead17

Well, Weber's got pressure on him, too. If he doesn't re-sign, he could be facing vastly different rules under a new CBA.

That's a big time offer.
- stveshdy

For a big time player.

I couldn't do that personally.
- ob18

Understandable. But I'd have to do it.